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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    Solat13 wrote:
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    what if it was a free giveaway for fan club members like the slip? you wouldn't download it, but instead just wait solely for the hard copy?

    what if it was free, and/or it was via a name your own price if at all, would you donate anything or just take it for free or neither and still wait for the hard copy.

    I waited 5 years for the return of physical bootlegs. I think I'll manage an extra month or two for a cd to come out with liner notes, artwork, etc.

    So no, I wouldn't partake in it.

    Yea, but the physical bootlegs are of songs you've heard before plenty of times, sure different magic in the air, etc....you mean to tell me you won't want to hear the new songs until there is a physical copy of it available to you? even though when it's avail via digital download prior to hard copy release - you would NOT listen to the songs whether through name your own price or free download? I'm sorry, I'm calling bs.

    You can call whatever, but I'll hear them on the radio because I'm sure WMMR will play the whole album when it comes out like they always do and I'll hear them at the shows I'm going to. And it will give me something to look forward to when it comes out.

    I don't need instant gratification.

    In 2003 with the bootleg process, ten club gave you a code to download the mp3s so you had something to listen to until the physical cd arrived. I still have like 12 emails with unopened mp3 download links (that I'm sure don't work anymore) that I never used. I just waited for the cds to come in the mail.
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  • Guitarhero27
    Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    Solat13 wrote:

    You call whatever, I'll hear them on the radio because I'm sure WMMR will play the whole album when it comes out like they always do and I'll hear them at the shows I'm going to. And it will give me something to look forward to when it comes out.

    I don't need instant gratification.

    In 2003 with the bootleg process, ten club gave you a code to download the mp3s so you had something to listen to until the physical cd arrived. I still have like 12 emails with unopened mp3 download links (that I'm sure don't work anymore) that I never used. I just waited for the cds to come in the mail.


    good for you, not for nothing, but the fact that you don't need instant gratification is a rarity in this world. wmmr will probably play it you're right haha. but in the world of the typical modern consumer it is all about instant gratification....clearly there are those that don't fit into the typical modern consumer, average joe, that marketing is used upon, so that's cool too.

    In 2003, the mp3 downloads avail to hold you over were the abosolute shitties quality possible haha. they sounded like absolute crap - i too waited for the physical cd instead haha...man that quality was brutal!
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    http://theslip.nin.com/



    oh, alrighty...i thought you were referencing something re pj. i had no idea, not really a nin fan...nor radiohead really.....so all that they have done with alternative releases basically outside of my radar.


    i don't know how old you are - and not saying it soley has anything to do with it, as i know sian-of-the-dead is young yet still prefers CDs too as per my thread on this topic - but i think for many of us over 30, we are accustomed to waiting on music. many of us grew up pre-computers, pre-internet :o :shock: :o hahahahaha....and are used to getting the buzz of new music thru the radio, and waiting, anticipating the album release....heading down to the record store :shock: :o :shock: to buy it.......rushing home to give a listen. i know nowadays for many of younger ages, it's completely different. some people never see album art, some don't even hear full albums, just songs DLed from itunes......many want the music right NOW. sure, the sooner the better......but i want the ritual...i want the music to sound the BESt it can for the first listen...i want to get engrossed in the artwork, linernotes, etc.....i want the full experience. and for that, i can wait. i just hope pj will always continue to release CDs, as i hope all my fave bands do. sure, i DL music, buy some music online, etc......but not bands i truly love. i want the CD, i want the process...i want the full experience.
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  • Guitarhero27
    Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    decides2dream wrote:
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    http://theslip.nin.com/



    oh, alrighty...i thought you were referencing something re pj. i had no idea, not really a nin fan...nor radiohead really.....so all that they have done with alternative releases basically outside of my radar.


    i don't know how old you are - and not saying it soley has anything to do with it, as i know sian-of-the-dead is young yet still prefers CDs too as per my thread on this topic - but i think for many of us over 30, we are accustomed to waiting on music. many of us grew up pre-computers, pre-internet :o :shock: :o hahahahaha....and are used to getting the buzz of new music thru the radio, and waiting, anticipating the album release....heading down to the record store :shock: :o :shock: to buy it.......rushing home to give a listen. i know nowadays for many of younger ages, it's completely different. some people never see album art, some don't even hear full albums, just songs DLed from itunes......many want the music right NOW. sure, the sooner the better......but i want the ritual...i want the music to sound the BESt it can for the first listen...i want to get engrossed in the artwork, linernotes, etc.....i want the full experience. and for that, i can wait. i just hope pj will always continue to release CDs, as i hope all my fave bands do. sure, i DL music, buy some music online, etc......but not bands i truly love. i want the CD, i want the process...i want the full experience.


    I'm smack in the middle at 26 years old. Grew up with computer, but not necessarily with the ipods...I still don't own an ipod, and don't like them to be honest. I'm with you on used to getting the buzz of music through radio, and waiting for an album release, however I also helped rip songs to mp3 late 1997 and uploaded them to Josh Wardell, who helped spread the word of what an mp3 is, as Yield was leaking, also turned into a very pivotal moment in computers and music.
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,201
    decides2dream wrote:
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    http://theslip.nin.com/



    not really a nin fan...nor radiohead really.....

    .
    you need to listen to in rainbows
    converted me as I was never a really big fan

    GREAT record

    carry on
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,201
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    however I also helped rip songs to mp3 late 1997 and uploaded them to Josh Wardell, who helped spread the word of what an mp3 is, as Yield was leaking, also turned into a very pivotal moment in computers and music.
    the original music pirate?
    :lol::lol::o
  • pdxtrub
    pdxtrub Posts: 29
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    LukinFan wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    My guess is Aug 24/25.
    sounds about right- I do think it will happen right before ACL

    Then why bother with the Conan show June 1st? Ok, Pearl Jam is playing new songs, to promote an upcoming album 3 months away? You don't take such a high profile show to promote something that's not ready for the public within a reasonable amount of time.

    Ok, so digital download available June 2nd while hard copy/expanded cd available in the fall.

    Let's see.

    It doesn't really seem unreasonable to play a few new songs on Conan, let the youtube/internet buzz spread the videos virally for a month or so, release a radio single during summer, and then finally release the record in the early fall after live recordings are circulating virally from the august shows. This doesn't seem unrealistic at all, and sounds like good marketing if they keep the momentum up until the release.
  • Guitarhero27
    Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    Get_Right wrote:
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    however I also helped rip songs to mp3 late 1997 and uploaded them to Josh Wardell, who helped spread the word of what an mp3 is, as Yield was leaking, also turned into a very pivotal moment in computers and music.
    the original music pirate?
    :lol::lol::o


    Yes, very few remember it haha.

    Those were the days on our 28.8's on #pearljam transfering mp3 files, taking nearly 30 mins for a song!
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  • Guitarhero27
    Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    pdxtrub wrote:

    It doesn't really seem unreasonable to play a few new songs on Conan, let the youtube/internet buzz spread the videos virally for a month or so, release a radio single during summer, and then finally release the record in the early fall after live recordings are circulating virally from the august shows. This doesn't seem unrealistic at all, and sounds like good marketing if they keep the momentum up until the release.


    momentum is VERY tough to keep going these days. If an album goes to number 1 and sells about 150K during its first week, it can dwindle to 50K the next, 25K the next, 10K the next, and so on...and just fade on out.
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    pdxtrub wrote:
    It doesn't really seem unreasonable to play a few new songs on Conan, let the youtube/internet buzz spread the videos virally for a month or so, release a radio single during summer, and then finally release the record in the early fall after live recordings are circulating virally from the august shows. This doesn't seem unrealistic at all, and sounds like good marketing if they keep the momentum up until the release.



    exactly.
    besides which, there is ed solo in june......live pj in august in europe and then in SF......then ACL in early october..........there's plenty of 'space' in there to create buzz, excitement, momentum for a new album....release the new album amongst all that........


    offering a DL of the new album the day after a conan appearance to me really doesn't make a lot of sense, but even if it did, and even if it did occur....doesn't mean it couldn't sink just as fast as an actual album too. it really doesn't make a difference there imo. i think conan is a 'just b/c we can' show.....to kick of a summer chock FULL of buzz and appearances.....album release in the fall......more buzz....more shows..........it's all good.
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  • Guitarhero27
    Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    decides2dream wrote:
    pdxtrub wrote:
    It doesn't really seem unreasonable to play a few new songs on Conan, let the youtube/internet buzz spread the videos virally for a month or so, release a radio single during summer, and then finally release the record in the early fall after live recordings are circulating virally from the august shows. This doesn't seem unrealistic at all, and sounds like good marketing if they keep the momentum up until the release.



    exactly.
    besides which, there is ed solo in june......live pj in august in europe and then in SF......then ACL in early october..........there's plenty of 'space' in there to create buzz, excitement, momentum for a new album....release the new album amongst all that........


    offering a DL of the new album the day after a conan appearance to me really doesn't make a lot of sense, but even if it did, and even if it did occur....doesn't mean it couldn't sink just as fast as an actual album too. it really doesn't make a difference there imo. i think conan is a 'just b/c we can' show.....to kick of a summer chock FULL of buzz and appearances.....album release in the fall......more buzz....more shows..........it's all good.


    It's funny I still keep forgetting about the EV solo shows. You're right with keeping buzz alive for that, but i still think we're going to hear something about june 2nd...doesn't have to be the whole album, but something's going down. I still can't see conan as being a just because type of appearance, sure it's great if it is, and shocking as well, but there's something else buried within it....who knows what haha
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    decides2dream wrote:
    pdxtrub wrote:
    It doesn't really seem unreasonable to play a few new songs on Conan, let the youtube/internet buzz spread the videos virally for a month or so, release a radio single during summer, and then finally release the record in the early fall after live recordings are circulating virally from the august shows. This doesn't seem unrealistic at all, and sounds like good marketing if they keep the momentum up until the release.



    exactly.
    besides which, there is ed solo in june......live pj in august in europe and then in SF......then ACL in early october..........there's plenty of 'space' in there to create buzz, excitement, momentum for a new album....release the new album amongst all that........


    offering a DL of the new album the day after a conan appearance to me really doesn't make a lot of sense, but even if it did, and even if it did occur....doesn't mean it couldn't sink just as fast as an actual album too. it really doesn't make a difference there imo. i think conan is a 'just b/c we can' show.....to kick of a summer chock FULL of buzz and appearances.....album release in the fall......more buzz....more shows..........it's all good.


    It's funny I still keep forgetting about the EV solo shows. You're right with keeping buzz alive for that, but i still think we're going to hear something about june 2nd...doesn't have to be the whole album, but something's going down. I still can't see conan as being a just because type of appearance, sure it's great if it is, and shocking as well, but there's something else buried within it....who knows what haha


    and i say...........maybe.


    but deep down, i don't see anything personally. difference of opinion and we'll see soon enough! have a single release on june 2nd would be cool....radio play, great....i just personally don't want to see pj go this route with actual album release....but again, i take pj how i can get it. we just happen to see this whole conan appearance in an entirely different light, that's to be sure. i absolutly see it as win-win for conan and the band....all about excitement and buzz......and i could easily see conan mentioning all the shows pj has planned on the horizon and yea....perhaps actually mentioning the new album for september, maybe even hinting how he hopes he can get em back when it happens. ;) whatever....it's all good......as long as we get a CD first. :mrgreen:
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  • pdxtrub
    pdxtrub Posts: 29
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    pdxtrub wrote:

    It doesn't really seem unreasonable to play a few new songs on Conan, let the youtube/internet buzz spread the videos virally for a month or so, release a radio single during summer, and then finally release the record in the early fall after live recordings are circulating virally from the august shows. This doesn't seem unrealistic at all, and sounds like good marketing if they keep the momentum up until the release.


    momentum is VERY tough to keep going these days. If an album goes to number 1 and sells about 150K during its first week, it can dwindle to 50K the next, 25K the next, 10K the next, and so on...and just fade on out.


    I agree, so it's important to use the time ahead of a release to build interest. When they released the ten redux it got a lot of attention, but Interest is starting to abate. The Conan performance is a great opportunity for publicity. With the short attention span the general population has with music, momentum has always been tough to keep up. It's all about timing, and staying in public view.
  • Guitarhero27
    Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    pdxtrub wrote:
    I agree, so it's important to use the time ahead of a release to build interest. When they released the ten redux it got a lot of attention, but Interest is starting to abate. The Conan performance is a great opportunity for publicity. With the short attention span the general population has with music, momentum has always been tough to keep up. It's all about timing, and staying in public view.


    To be perfectly honest I'm not sure how much attention Ten reissue got (at least in the NY/NJ market). Sure, Brother was on the radio, but it wasn't well known what format it would be available under, where to get it, how to get it. There wasn't enough advertising on the spectrum of what editions contained what, which would be tough yes, but in my area, people just thought Brother just kinda surfaced and that was that.

    But we'll see where this Conan appearance goes!
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    depends on when that damn turtle gets to where it's supposed to be :D
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  • pdxtrub
    pdxtrub Posts: 29
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    pdxtrub wrote:
    I agree, so it's important to use the time ahead of a release to build interest. When they released the ten redux it got a lot of attention, but Interest is starting to abate. The Conan performance is a great opportunity for publicity. With the short attention span the general population has with music, momentum has always been tough to keep up. It's all about timing, and staying in public view.


    To be perfectly honest I'm not sure how much attention Ten reissue got (at least in the NY/NJ market). Sure, Brother was on the radio, but it wasn't well known what format it would be available under, where to get it, how to get it. There wasn't enough advertising on the spectrum of what editions contained what, which would be tough yes, but in my area, people just thought Brother just kinda surfaced and that was that.

    But we'll see where this Conan appearance goes!

    Fair enough, I felt like the Ten reissue got a lot of attention here in Portland, Brother is still in good rotation on the rock radio station. Regardless of marketing and publicity, I'm just excited to hear a new record, and hoping for a larger tour to support it post-release.
  • Guitarhero27
    Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    pdxtrub wrote:
    Fair enough, I felt like the Ten reissue got a lot of attention here in Portland, Brother is still in good rotation on the rock radio station. Regardless of marketing and publicity, I'm just excited to hear a new record, and hoping for a larger tour to support it post-release.


    That's great, but here in NY, we lost our major rock format radio station 92.3 K-Rock shortly after Brother hit the airwaves. They were playing it a ton, but all that was left was classic rock station which would only play some cuts from Ten, but not mentioning of the re-release or Brother because it's "new" and then another alt-rock station whos format is like an ipod, but the library at that station is so vast, and since payola is no longer an option, if and when Brother was played, it was just kinda lost in the format shuffle.

    Cool to hear how the different coasts have been with marketing ploys. Could be another reason why PJ is looking to do more shows in the west this year than last year! Could the marketing distribution have anything to do with tour locations...hmmmmm.....
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  • pdxtrub
    pdxtrub Posts: 29
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    pdxtrub wrote:
    Fair enough, I felt like the Ten reissue got a lot of attention here in Portland, Brother is still in good rotation on the rock radio station. Regardless of marketing and publicity, I'm just excited to hear a new record, and hoping for a larger tour to support it post-release.


    That's great, but here in NY, we lost our major rock format radio station 92.3 K-Rock shortly after Brother hit the airwaves. They were playing it a ton, but all that was left was classic rock station which would only play some cuts from Ten, but not mentioning of the re-release or Brother because it's "new" and then another alt-rock station whos format is like an ipod, but the library at that station is so vast, and since payola is no longer an option, if and when Brother was played, it was just kinda lost in the format shuffle.

    Cool to hear how the different coasts have been with marketing ploys. Could be another reason why PJ is looking to do more shows in the west this year than last year! Could the marketing distribution have anything to do with tour locations...hmmmmm.....

    You may be onto something. Sorry to hear that you guys lost your major rock station, our alt-rock station isn't that great either.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    i hope no one will be disappointed is the new songs they play are the xmas single....since were speculating here :D
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    decides2dream wrote:
    since when was pj ever about unit counts? :?

    oh and i too would wait for the hard copy. i am not buying a DL of a pj album.

    Then if that was the case, why didn't they stop their music from being distributed via Itunes? It's there for more than just another way for a fan to access the songs.

    It is? What is it there for then? What is the "more"? Seems to me it's simply a matter of a lot of people liking the itunes music store and PJ not wanting to be inaccessible that way. What is the ulterior motive?

    I don't know what I'd do if PJ went digitial. I downloaded the Slip when it came out and bought the cd later, but I don't know if I'd do the same. If it was a matter of paying twice for the album, no way would I opt for the digital. If they included a digital download option, I'd consider it but not particularly enthusiastically. I know I'm buying the new PJ album, I wasn't so sure about NIN back then, so I downloaded to see what I thought. I only downloaded the free portion of Ghosts to see what I thought, then waited to buy the whole thing on cd later. Ditto for Radiohead... paid a pittance for the download to see what I thought of it.

    Let's also not forget that Radiohead and NIN are the EXCEPTION, not the rule. 99% of music acts still release hard copy album and digital versions on the same day as they always have. The Tragically Hip (a band I'd consider closest to PJ in terms of spirit, fans, and business model) just had a hard release. Wilco has announced no plans for an early/exlusive ditigal release. REM didnt do it. Springsteen hasn't done it. U2 didn't do it. It's not like a physical cd release is some sort of rare specimen. What is rare is getting a digital copy before the actual album. Radiohead did it as a publicity stunt. NIN did it to generate interest and give easy/cheap access to his music after a period of flying under the radar a bit (plus, he's just miles ahead of anyone in playing with ways to use technology like this). I see no reason why PJ would go this route.

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