Teabagging Parties....
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What I find disturbing is that people have to protest high taxes and to much government and people get excited when we get a tax cut. Just try and keep going to your employer every time you need more money because you can't manage your budget most of us would be told to go pound salt. Yet for some reason it has become exceptable for the government to keep taking from the people and to keep spending with no sense of responsibility.
I live in Ontario and wish we had tea parties, in the 6 years since our current premier got elected revenue has gone up 27 billion and he has given us the largest tax increase in our history and beginning in July 2010 will be paying sales tax on just about anything you can name from rent to hair cuts to home heating.
I for one support less government and lower taxes.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
VINNY GOOMBA wrote:soulsinging wrote:[Because the movement has allied itself with conservative talk radio and the republican party, and those are both arenas that have chosen to partner with the insane Christian right nuts and that is something I refuse to give any support to in any way shape or form.
So you guys can't get behind this because this whole thing is INDIRECTLY connected to the religious right? Ah well, guess I'll have to dump some tea without ya
I hope you find other powerful avenues to fight the good fight. PEACE!
Pretty much. This is clearly a partisan showboating exercise and I seriously doubt their commitment to this or any other issue. The second they get back in office, it will be the same high spending policies loaded with pork. They're just in a position now where they're not in power and can thus point fingers without seeming like the hypocrites they are. This is a last gasp of the republican party trying desperately to regain some credibility and relevance. And after the last 8 years of them sucking off the Christian right, I'm sorry, but I trust them less than I trust the current administration. So no, I won't be joining their little teabagging parties. I have a feeling if it gains them the support they're hoping for, they'll go into office and go right back to what they were doing while they also set us back another few decades with their foreign policy and values voter bullshit. If they want my support, they have to fucking earn it by showing that they're serious about this and not just trying to use it as a political football to get them back in the game so they can keep pulling the same shit they have been since Reagan.0 -
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Phool wrote:
I almost posted this video earlier. Couldn't agree more with the sentiment of the woman being interviewed at the end. She knows what it's all about. The major media news outlets once again spin it to what they want it to mean... You know what? At this point I'll just take the exposure-- there are a lot of people from the hard right who are waking up to how bad Bush was, and a lot of Obama suporters are seeing how Obama is on the path to continuing the same bad economic policies.0 -
VINNY GOOMBA wrote:Phool wrote:
I almost posted this video earlier. Couldn't agree more with the sentiment of the woman being interviewed at the end. She knows what it's all about. The major media news outlets once again spin it to what they want it to mean... You know what? At this point I'll just take the exposure-- there are a lot of people from the hard right who are waking up to how bad Bush was, and a lot of Obama suporters are seeing how Obama is on the path to continuing the same bad economic policies.
fucking retards on an 8 year slumber are waking up now..
..Problem it is its the soft right too.
My heart breaks for the poor right
If McCain was prez it would be worse right now. Even if it was the same there wouldn't be a peep from the right.0 -
Smellyman wrote:VINNY GOOMBA wrote:Phool wrote:
I almost posted this video earlier. Couldn't agree more with the sentiment of the woman being interviewed at the end. She knows what it's all about. The major media news outlets once again spin it to what they want it to mean... You know what? At this point I'll just take the exposure-- there are a lot of people from the hard right who are waking up to how bad Bush was, and a lot of Obama suporters are seeing how Obama is on the path to continuing the same bad economic policies.
fucking retards on an 8 year slumber are waking up now.. ..Problem it is its the soft right too.
My heart breaks for the poor right
If McCain was prez it would be worse right now. Even if it was the same there wouldn't be a peep from the right.
Which is exactly why I'm not on board. If McCain had been elected and was doing the exact same thing, I can guarantee this teabag thing would not exist. They'd all be spouting off about how important it is to support American business through loans to small businesses.0 -
you've obviously got way too much common sense to be a politician....VINNY GOOMBA wrote:The government is the largest employer-- and there is room to shrink quite a bit, yet keep that status, and still bring us prosperity. I understand where you're going, and you make a great point. I would do it this way:
Start by bringing the soldiers home from all of our bases everywhere, while selling the bases off. End the wars, and all of the insane spending they've created.
Systematically phase out every federal department that exists in every state as well as the federal government, such as the Dept. of Education, Transportation, Agriculture, etc...
Legalize industrial hemp, and lift all federal restrictions on drugs, and leave it up to the states on which ones remain legal.
Stop giving tax breaks to companies that ship work overseas immediately.
Do all of this over a reasonable time table, factor in the extra money that has been already allocated for unemployment, and I think we will be just fine.
And you're hiding agendas already....you don't mention abolishing the fed
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Bush 2000 ran on a much more conservative platform than his own father, and if you're like 99% of American voters, you vote on what the candidate says he or she is going to do, not what they will do. You can see how Conservatives liked him in 2000. Then 9/11 happens, and gives him the highest presidential approval rating ever, and he blew it within three years. That brings us to Bush 2004, who arguably didn't even beat John Kerry while we were heavy into the war, and he was doing pretty abysmal in the polls in 2004. Another 4 years to make things worse, and plenty of Republicans were sick of him and Cheney by 2008. If you think that the Obama administration inherited a world of pain, you're right! That includes the angry mob that was waiting to jump on whoever was coming into office, if you ask me. I think if McCain won, you would have seen the "left's" version of a tea party, trying to take it over from the freedom movement. You really think this country wouldn't be OUTRAGED if it were going to be taking orders from another RICH, WHITE, AND WORST OF ALL, OLD "REPUBLICAN" for another 4 years MINIMUM? This is why Obama was the victor. The country clearly spoke its mind that it didn't want anything like Bush for at least another 4 years... These Tea Parties may have been TWICE as big if McCain had won-- shit, their may have been riots if Obama DIDN'T get elected, because how many elections in a row can the Republicans STEAL before half this country says "ENOUGH!!! This whole thing is rigged!!!" Actually, it would have been like V for Vendetta-- REMEMBER THE 5TH OF NOVEMBER, a couple of dozen hours after the election. Either that, or a mass exodus to Canada And I'd be right there (protesting, not moving North), just like I'm at these.
Just some food for thought. I'm through trying to change people's minds to see the good in this. Do you see ANY good in these tea parties, soulsinging?0 -
soulsinging wrote:
Which is exactly why I'm not on board. If McCain had been elected and was doing the exact same thing, I can guarantee this teabag thing would not exist. They'd all be spouting off about how important it is to support American business through loans to small businesses.
If McCain got into office we wouldn't have tea parties...we would continue to have anti war rallies but now that Obama is in office the war is not that bad to the left it seems.
And I am pretty sure if McCain got into office we would not have seen this pork filled "stimuls" package.0 -
Drowned Out wrote:
you've obviously got way too much common sense to be a politician....VINNY GOOMBA wrote:The government is the largest employer-- and there is room to shrink quite a bit, yet keep that status, and still bring us prosperity. I understand where you're going, and you make a great point. I would do it this way:
Start by bringing the soldiers home from all of our bases everywhere, while selling the bases off. End the wars, and all of the insane spending they've created.
Systematically phase out every federal department that exists in every state as well as the federal government, such as the Dept. of Education, Transportation, Agriculture, etc...
Legalize industrial hemp, and lift all federal restrictions on drugs, and leave it up to the states on which ones remain legal.
Stop giving tax breaks to companies that ship work overseas immediately.
Do all of this over a reasonable time table, factor in the extra money that has been already allocated for unemployment, and I think we will be just fine.
And you're hiding agendas already....you don't mention abolishing the fed
For once, I didn't-- I showed great restraint in doing so. Besides, there will be plenty of shouting coming from me this coming weekend at the rally in the city. The Audit the Fed Bill seems to be doing really well! Nearly 60 co-sponsors. Pretty awesome for a Ron Paul-penned bill. 0 -
Phool wrote:soulsinging wrote:And I am pretty sure if McCain got into office we would not have seen this pork filled "stimuls" package.
Oh, I know we would see one just as bad. It'd just be going to a few different things / different groups. The same people still get fucked. US.0 -
lol.
this makes me respect the crowds a little more actually.
this is a video from a republican congressmen giving a speech at a tea party.
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VINNY GOOMBA wrote:Phool wrote:soulsinging wrote:And I am pretty sure if McCain got into office we would not have seen this pork filled "stimuls" package.
Oh, I know we would see one just as bad. It'd just be going to a few different things / different groups. The same people still get fucked. US.
Think it would be safe to assume government would not have gotten bigger under McCain...with this Nancy Pelosi run US everyone gets fucked...Obama who.0 -
VINNY GOOMBA wrote:I think if McCain won, you would have seen the "left's" version of a tea party, trying to take it over from the freedom movement. You really think this country wouldn't be OUTRAGED if it were going to be taking orders from another RICH, WHITE, AND WORST OF ALL, OLD "REPUBLICAN" for another 4 years MINIMUM? This is why Obama was the victor. The country clearly spoke its mind that it didn't want anything like Bush for at least another 4 years... These Tea Parties may have been TWICE as big if McCain had won-- shit, their may have been riots if Obama DIDN'T get elected, because how many elections in a row can the Republicans STEAL before half this country says "ENOUGH!!! This whole thing is rigged!!!" Actually, it would have been like V for Vendetta-- REMEMBER THE 5TH OF NOVEMBER, a couple of dozen hours after the election. Either that, or a mass exodus to Canada And I'd be right there (protesting, not moving North), just like I'm at these.
Just some food for thought. I'm through trying to change people's minds to see the good in this. Do you see ANY good in these tea parties, soulsinging?
And I wouldn't have been joining the left's tea parties for the same reason. I don't buy into this partisan cheerleading bullshit.
I don't see much good in these tea parties, no. I am opposed to the bailouts, and have been since the very first one. But I hate to see it become a political football so that another jackass like Dubya can get elected in 4 years on a bunch of empty promises. Then you still have a fucked economy, you still have bailouts, and you have a dipshit playing cowboy with our foreign policy and trying to get the Bible elected as law. At least Obama's getting part of it right. Nobody's going to fix the size of government. Nobody. There's no profit in it.0 -
Phool wrote:
Government spending has increased under every administration for the last half century. Most of them were republicans. Only one president balanced a budget and he was a democrat. The last republican took deficit spending to unthought of heights. And McCain would have done the same. You're talking about the man that said the fundamentals of the economy were strong about a year ago. You think he'd be setting fiscal policy? It would have been Rove's people from day one and they'd have done the same shit they were doing under the last republican admin.0 -
Department of Homeland Security for one.Phool wrote:
going from spending, a good indicator of government 'growth'-
Bush 2 turned a 200 billion dollar surplus into a trillion dollar deficit.
Bush 1 invaded a few countries-gotta spend
Reagan probably invented neoliberalism, shifting 1 trillion dollars from the public sector to the private. things like education and roads were affected -for things like corporate grants and handouts.
its everything true conservatives oppose in government, and the scale is massive. and its a movement led primarily by republicans.
and there's no reason to believe mccain would have been any different.0 -
I don't understand why people are making this issue into a blue/red or dem/rep or lib/con arguement. Generically speaking, people were protesting because of government overspending and selling short the citizens..CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
FiveB247x wrote:I don't understand why people are making this issue into a blue/red or dem/rep or lib/con arguement...
Because many people believe this was a republican organized event instead of grassroots....liberal news stations reported that FOX News organized the parties....rather then taking the words of people who attended they would rather believe Obermann and Madow.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6xWGvdRQ9Q&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbadgerblogger%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded
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