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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    AmentsChick wrote:
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    AmentsChick wrote:
    ANother question...

    Why, if it was so important that The O6 get back...didn't The Island require Walt to return?



    Maybe I'm completely off here, but this just popped in my head:

    Ben moved the island (through space and time) to prevent Widmore from finding it, right? When he did that, I think the 06 were still there, in the vicinity at least.

    To get the island back to the present time and stop the jumping (and making brain mush out of people), maybe everything has to be the way it was, including the 06 being on the island (or the vicinity). Walt wasn't there when it started time shifting, so he's not needed.

    I have no idea though...just guessing.

    But then Desmond would need to be back, too.


    Yeah...I think he's being manipulated into go back too.
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  • CHANGEinWAVES
    CHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    i wonder what part the guy who wished Jack condolences after getting his plane ticket will be.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    rrivers wrote:
    Black Diamond wrote:
    I must disagree with the last few posters. I have found this season so far to be off the charts good. Season 1 good.

    Lots of answers (The Rousseau epi was great)
    Really great lines
    New Mysteries

    and after next weeks episode (they do need to fill in that hole), we can get down and dirty and see who really is who and what side everyone is on.

    What answers have we gotten?

    Why Christian was wearing white tennis shoes. ;)
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Yeah...I think he's being manipulated into go back too.

    If that was the case, wouldn't they have tried a bit harder at the church...and wouldn't have let him leave so easily?
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    Solat13 wrote:
    rrivers wrote:
    Black Diamond wrote:
    I must disagree with the last few posters. I have found this season so far to be off the charts good. Season 1 good.

    Lots of answers (The Rousseau epi was great)
    Really great lines
    New Mysteries

    and after next weeks episode (they do need to fill in that hole), we can get down and dirty and see who really is who and what side everyone is on.

    What answers have we gotten?

    Why Christian was wearing white tennis shoes. ;)

    I just lol'd at that!


    P.S. Remember in the Pilot...they showed a single white tennis shoe? Foreshadowing? Or just plane wreckage?
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  • Black Diamond
    Black Diamond Posts: 25,109
    AmentsChick wrote:
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Yeah...I think he's being manipulated into go back too.

    If that was the case, wouldn't they have tried a bit harder at the church...and wouldn't have let him leave so easily?

    Maybe that is why Ben went to the Marina. Maybe he kidnapped Penny.
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  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    AmentsChick wrote:
    And it REALLY don't make any sense to me...that if The Island is so damn picky about having everything and everyone back the way It wants it...why would it not demand Desmond back? Yeah yeah...Des has unfinished business...I get that. But The Island clearly requires CERTAIN people to be there...and he was one of them.

    And Jack having to get something from his father for Locke to have was really lame. If things don't improve that is a moment that could definitely be looked at as a "jump the shark" moment.
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    Maybe I just noticed because I was raised a Catholic...but does anyone else find it unusual that Catholicism plays such a HUGE part in this show?

    Des was a monk.
    Charlie was Catholic.
    Eloise in the church.
    Mr. Eko and his stick.
    The Virgin Mary statues.


    I'm sure there were other examples...but that was off the top of my head (along with my halo).
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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    Black Diamond wrote:
    AmentsChick wrote:
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Yeah...I think he's being manipulated into go back too.

    If that was the case, wouldn't they have tried a bit harder at the church...and wouldn't have let him leave so easily?

    Maybe that is why Ben went to the Marina. Maybe he kidnapped Penny.

    I think this is what happened, or he tried to , and Desmond got to him. I think desmond will go to the Island after Ben, But I think we are reading to much into Ben being on the plane.
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    AmentsChick wrote:
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Be patient...I think it'll work out. We were so used to getting answers recently, last night opened up so many more questions and holes. I think it'll work out. Remember the first few seasons, there were way more questions than answers. It gets frustrating, but have faith. (as Locke would say. :D )

    Yes, but back then it was still follow-able.


    True, true. 3-toed statues and 'Others' were easier to follow than time travel theory. :D

    Actually, the more I think about this, the less complicated it seems.

    Ben moved the island to escape from Widmore, sending it hurtling through time/space.
    The 06, Desmond and the pilot escaped the Island bubble as it disappeared.
    To get the island back to the correct place/time, and save everyone, the above people need to be back on the island to prevent some sort of time paradox.

    The main questions brought up last night were what changed the minds of Hurley/Sayid/Kate, who are the new characters on the plane, what time period did they land in and why is Jin a Dharma dude?
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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    AmentsChick wrote:
    Maybe I just noticed because I was raised a Catholic...but does anyone else find it unusual that Catholicism plays such a HUGE part in this show?

    Des was a monk.
    Charlie was Catholic.
    Eloise in the church.
    Mr. Eko and his stick.
    The Virgin Mary statues.


    I'm sure there were other examples...but that was off the top of my head (along with my halo).

    There have been religous themes all over the show
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    AmentsChick wrote:
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Yeah...I think he's being manipulated into go back too.

    If that was the case, wouldn't they have tried a bit harder at the church...and wouldn't have let him leave so easily?


    That's just storytelling. He'll be back, we already know that he has to. Maybe Ben did something to Penny, so he knows Des will follow him, and he's got it all planned out.
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  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    edited February 2009
    AmentsChick wrote:
    Maybe I just noticed because I was raised a Catholic...but does anyone else find it unusual that Catholicism plays such a HUGE part in this show?

    Des was a monk.
    Charlie was Catholic.
    Eloise in the church.
    Mr. Eko and his stick.
    The Virgin Mary statues.


    I'm sure there were other examples...but that was off the top of my head (along with my halo).

    No surprise since the show has basically been based on faith (or belief) or lack there of from the beginning... whether we knew it at the time or not.
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    AmentsChick wrote:
    Maybe I just noticed because I was raised a Catholic...but does anyone else find it unusual that Catholicism plays such a HUGE part in this show?

    Des was a monk.
    Charlie was Catholic.
    Eloise in the church.
    Mr. Eko and his stick.
    The Virgin Mary statues.


    I'm sure there were other examples...but that was off the top of my head (along with my halo).


    Of course. To me, that's one of the most annoying parts of the show. I get it in certain respects, but it seems like too much sometimes. If they show Locke in some sort of Christ pose, I'm going to hurl. We get it already!
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  • Black Diamond
    Black Diamond Posts: 25,109
    pjsteelerfan wrote:
    AmentsChick wrote:
    Maybe I just noticed because I was raised a Catholic...but does anyone else find it unusual that Catholicism plays such a HUGE part in this show?

    Des was a monk.
    Charlie was Catholic.
    Eloise in the church.
    Mr. Eko and his stick.
    The Virgin Mary statues.


    I'm sure there were other examples...but that was off the top of my head (along with my halo).

    There have been religous themes all over the show

    We had St. Thomas last night
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    pjsteelerfan wrote:
    But I think we are reading to much into Ben being on the plane.

    I don't. Eloise made it quite clear that their return should be as similar as possible to flight 815.
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    AmentsChick wrote:
    pjsteelerfan wrote:
    But I think we are reading to much into Ben being on the plane.

    I don't. Eloise made it quite clear that their return should be as similar as possible to flight 815.


    But maybe it's not for the sake of the flight, but rather who is present on the island when they time-shift back to the present.
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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    AmentsChick wrote:
    pjsteelerfan wrote:
    But I think we are reading to much into Ben being on the plane.

    I don't. Eloise made it quite clear that their return should be as similar as possible to flight 815.

    I posted a little earlier on this, I don't think Ben had to be on the plane, unless he was taking the place of someone. I think he is trying to get back on the Island, but he does not need to be. I think only the Oceanic 6 had to be on the plane.
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    edited February 2009
    pjsteelerfan wrote:
    AmentsChick wrote:
    pjsteelerfan wrote:
    But I think we are reading to much into Ben being on the plane.

    I don't. Eloise made it quite clear that their return should be as similar as possible to flight 815.

    I posted a little earlier on this, I don't think Ben had to be on the plane, unless he was taking the place of someone. I think he is trying to get back on the Island, but he does not need to be. I think only the Oceanic 6 had to be on the plane.


    Maybe he does. Remember, he was on the island when it time shifted. I think he's just as crucial to getting back as Desmond, Lapidus, Locke and the 06. Seems to make sense to me.

    The only thing I'm confused on is why it's ok to only have some of them? Hawking didn't seem overly concerned that they were missing some of the 06? Unless she knew they'd all get on that plane somehow? I really think they all have to be there to set the island right again, and all the other confusing shit (Des walking out, the Aaron mystery, Hawking's weirdness, etc) is just storytelling bs to make it more interesting and confusing to keep the viewer hooked.
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  • spat
    spat Posts: 644
    the biggest thing that annoyed me about last nights episode was why didn't jack ask ben what happened to him?! i mean he shows up on the plane all jacked up and in a sling, but jack just sat there like everything was normal! wouldn't that be the first thing out of anyone elses mouths?
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