A Rod

stickfig13 · February 2009

mfc2006 wrote:

you've gotta give him credit for fessing up. i think that schilling is right (other piece on espn) by saying that the other players that tested positive should come forward and admit it. otherwise, we're going to go through this every few weeks. so and so tested positive in 2001.....all over the newspapers. he admits/denies it. then the next player is named...

it's ridiculous. what a sad state baseball is in...my all-time favorite sport & pastime.

Ya know...I realize that steroids could enhance a player's ability, but they sure don't swing the bat for you. Anyone that has ever played baseball knows that the best power hitters are not usually the strongest guy on the team. Anyone that has played baseball knows you still have to be able to hit the ball....and to hit .300+ you have more than steriods on your side.

My point is that steroids may make you a little stronger or faster..whatever...but of all professional sports, I would say they would help you the least.

chromiam · February 2009

stickfig13 wrote:

Ya know...I realize that steroids could enhance a player's ability, but they sure don't swing the bat for you. Anyone that has ever played baseball knows that the best power hitters are not usually the strongest guy on the team. Anyone that has played baseball knows you still have to be able to hit the ball....and to hit .300+ you have more than steriods on your side.

My point is that steroids may make you a little stronger or faster..whatever...but of all professional sports, I would say they would help you the least.

I'd disagree that they help baseball players the least. What steroids mainly do for baseball players, I believe, is allow them to play at a high level for a 162 game season and the playoffs. It allows them to train harder and longer and helps their bodies recover faster. And during a long season, that's important.

tybird · February 2009

chromiam wrote:

Although A-Rod did get his huge money contracts based on those 3 years.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, those years were with the Texas Rangers.....and he already signed the $252 million dollar deal by then.

Solat13 · February 2009

tybird wrote:

chromiam wrote:

Although A-Rod did get his huge money contracts based on those 3 years.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, those years were with the Texas Rangers.....and he already signed the $252 million dollar deal by then.

You are correct. 2001 was the first year of A Rod's contract in Texas.

xavier mcdaniel · February 2009

While's it's nice that he admitted it after the fact.... the dumbest thing is when he says the following:

“And to be quite honest, I don’t know exactly what substance I was guilty of using.”

I've never done any drug of any sort, but if someone is going to do this, wouldn't it be smart to at least know what's going into their body??

Wobbie · February 2009

Cosmo wrote:

The one that would break my heart if caught up in the steroids thing...
Ken Griffey, Jr.
...
If there is a God... please, don't let Junior be a part of this.

Prime candidate, IMHO. :shock:

chromiam wrote:

Honestly not much of a difference there other than the games played... which steroids do help you recover faster and train harder.

Although A-Rod did get his huge money contracts based on those 3 years.

THIRTEEN HRs per year is "not much of a difference"????? :? :? :?

stickfig13 wrote:

The guy owned it! Finally one of these guys comes out and owns it!

It doesn't matter that he admitted it only after he got caught. He got caught and fessed up...period! That is a lot more than can be said for some of the other superstars who are clearly lying through their teeth

From what I've seen, he did a decent job (considering). A-Rod was smart enough to see what doesn't work (Bonds, Sammy "my eenglish not so good" Sosa, McGuire, Clemens, etc.). I'll give him that.

jimed14 wrote:

Is there any storyline that is LESS interesting that this? Ok, maybe the Favre will he/won't he retire crap we go through every year, but, the steroid discussion needs to end.

Are you fucking kidding me? The discussion needs to continue until the HOF voters can somehow come to grips with it. Bud, the Union and the owners need to be exposed too (I'm not holding my breath). Ten years ago, everyone in the game (players and owners and Bud) were all getting rich (and still are). They all knew what was going on but know we're just going to scapegoat certain guys?? And these sanctimonious "I'll never vote for a steroid guy" HOF voters knew what was going on too....but they wanted to bask in the Sammy vs. Mark HR race, write their columns and look the other way. But now, they've found religion. WTF???

My pie-in-the-sky solution is for Bud and the Union to get together and convince EVERY player who ever juiced to come forward....pitchers, hitters, superstars and scrubs...amnesty afterwards (with continued testing)...no never-ending questions from reporters...and back to HOF voting based on statistics....take steroid use into account, but don't disqualify anyone solely on an admission. I don't want to hear about the "sanctity" of any Hall that admits Phil Freaking Rizzuto and keeps Bonds and A-Rod out. Just MHO.

jervin007 · February 2009

I think people make too big of a case of the game being segregated when Babe Ruth played. He played in the barnstorming leagues and still hit at the same levels he did during the regular season.

And currently just 8% of MLB is African American and only 3% of pitchers are as of 2006. So saying that the lack of African Americans in baseball taints his career is misleading. It would be more correct to say the lack of Latin American players.[/quote]

I see your point. I was just drawing attention to the fact that there are advantages to playing in every era. I personally do think that if segregation wasn't present you would have seen a different game in terms of competition and the amount of dominant players. I am not trying to take anything away from Ruth, he was one of the best and his stats wouldn't have changed much, but that wouldn't be the case with everyone. It just a shame that so many great players played their prime years in the African American leagues, many never playing in the MLB at all, when they could have easily become household names if that hadn't been the case. I know that there aren't many African Americans in the game today, but I was kind of referring to the past. Lets just say when MLB became diversified (with African American and Latin American players) the level of play increased, which forced people to work harder to stay in the game. In a similar sense, steroids were just another way to stay competitive.

milarso · February 2009

It seems like we have just been so bombarded with all this steroid shit for the past few years, I don't even think I care anymore.

Horos · February 2009

Yeah-Rod!

I don't care what the players were taking before and don't think it should affect their HOF status. They played by the rules that were in place at the time. Now the rule has been changed so if you use now and get caught be ready to face the fire. Only thing about A-Rod is he did lie about it on 60 Minutes in 2007 of course he thought his anonymous test results would never surface.

chromiam · February 2009

THIRTEEN HRs per year is "not much of a difference"?????

No, not when you factor in an average of 14 games missed per season. So if A-Rod hit 1 HR every other game, his HR average over 10 years would almost equal the 3 year period.

Gary Carter · February 2009

Solat13 wrote:

stickfig13 wrote:

The guy owned it! Finally one of these guys comes out and owns it!

It doesn't matter that he admitted it only after he got caught. He got caught and fessed up...period! That is a lot more than can be said for some of the other superstars who are clearly lying through their teeth

Does that mean Yankee fans will embrace him now?

have they ever embraced him

3 things i take from the gammons interview

1. how the hell can you not know weather you passed or failed and let that go on for 5-6 years just eating away at your mind.if orza said to me you might have passed or failed i woulda asked orza flat out what the results were.

2. you said you were young and naive and didnt know any better. it was your 8th year in the majors thats hardly being young

3. katie couric flat asked out you back in 07 weather you took them and you denied that you did them, why not come out then instead of waiting a year and a half

yea he admitted it but the fact is he still did roids and lied.

igotid88 · February 2009

imalive wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

The one that would break my heart if caught up in the steroids thing...
Ken Griffey, Jr.
...
If there is a God... please, don't let Junior be a part of this.

Prime candidate, IMHO. :shock:

chromiam wrote:

Honestly not much of a difference there other than the games played... which steroids do help you recover faster and train harder.

Although A-Rod did get his huge money contracts based on those 3 years.

THIRTEEN HRs per year is "not much of a difference"????? :? :? :?

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he played those 3 years in Texas. The balls fly over there. And he was 25-27years old. Safeco and Yankee Stadium aren't right handed hitter ballparks.

Gary Carter · February 2009

Cosmo wrote:

The one that would break my heart if caught up in the steroids thing...
Ken Griffey, Jr.
...
If there is a God... please, don't let Junior be a part of this.

id stop watching baseball if his name and jeters name came up in these reports.also it wouldnt surprise me if mike piazza was named eventually in one of these reports

Wobbie · February 2009

igotid88 wrote:

imalive wrote:

THIRTEEN HRs per year is "not much of a difference"????? :? :? :?

:

he played those 3 years in Texas. The balls fly over there. And he was 25-27years old. Safeco and Yankee Stadium aren't right handed hitter ballparks.

Fair point.

metsfan wrote:

it wouldnt surprise me if mike piazza was named eventually in one of these reports

It wouldn't surprise anyone! :shock: :shock:

Yeah, A-Rod was still lying to Gammons, BUT (even though I dislike him) I really wouldn't expect him (or anyone) to name teammates and/or their supplier.

SPEEDY MCCREADY · February 2009

i dont believe one fucking word a rod had to say today.....

other than he took steroids....

i dont believe he ONLY took them for 3 years while in texas.....

i think he is a lying piece of shit as far as that statement goes......

he was young???
he was naive???
he was stupid????

nope....he was a fucking asshole!!!!

QuarterToTen · February 2009

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

i dont believe one fucking word a rod had to say today.....

other than he took steroids....

i dont believe he ONLY took them for 3 years while in texas.....

i think he is a lying piece of shit as far as that statement goes......

he was young???
he was naive???
he was stupid????

nope....he was a fucking asshole!!!!

he is a cheater, plain and simple.

and a despicable liar. and also very, very well paid as a result.

hmmm....what's wrong with this picture?

Kel Varnsen · February 2009

I am not a huge follower of baseball, but one thing I never understood is why there is no repercussions to these positive tests. I mean if A-rod tested positive in 2001, why is the world only finding out about it now? Why wasn’t he suspended in 2001? And if there are no penalties why bother doing testing? So basically what I am thinking is if there are no penalties for doing steroids, then isn’t major league baseball basically saying it is acceptable? So why isn’t the league taking more criticism if for this when they are unofficially saying steriod use is within the rules?

Solat13 · February 2009

Kel Varnsen wrote:

I am not a huge follower of baseball, but one thing I never understood is why there is no repercussions to these positive tests. I mean if A-rod tested positive in 2001, why is the world only finding out about it now? Why wasn’t he suspended in 2001? And if there are no penalties why bother doing testing? So basically what I am thinking is if there are no penalties for doing steroids, then isn’t major league baseball basically saying it is acceptable? So why isn’t the league taking more criticism if for this when they are unofficially saying steriod use is within the rules?

Steroids are illegal in the country. There was no provision at the time in the collective bargaining agreement between major league baseball and the players' union to test for steroids in the time period in question. In 2003, as the steroids hysteria started becoming more and more mainstream, MLB instituted a policy where they would anonymously test the players that season and if more than 5% tested positive then they would change their drug policy.

A Rod was one of the 104 players who tested positive that year out of about 750 players which led to baseball instituting the steroids policy which includes suspensions and being kicked out of the league after a certain number of tests.

Technically because there was no drug policy in place in 2003, MLB can't suspend A Rod, but now his image is forever tarnished.

And MLB has taken a ton of criticism over the years for being so behinds in their drug policy.

Wobbie · February 2009

Don't get me wrong.....I'm not "pro-steroids," but.......................

1) who the fuck decrees what is "legal" and what is not? e.g. cortisone shot, lasik, red tinted contacts, hyperbaeric chamber, artificial joint fluid. Everyone has always looked for (and found) an edge. It's the natural progression of not just ballplayers, but the human race.

2) What makes you so sure that Willie, Babe, Mickey, Hank, etc. wouldn't have taken steroids if they had a chance? Most would have.

P.S. I hate A-Rod, too.

Solat13 · February 2009

imalive wrote:

Don't get me wrong.....I'm not "pro-steroids," but.......................

1) who the fuck decrees what is "legal" and what is not? e.g. cortisone shot, lasik, red tinted contacts, hyperbaeric chamber, artificial joint fluid. Everyone has always looked for (and found) an edge. It's the natural progression of not just ballplayers, but the human race.

The federal government. Taking anabolic steroids without a prescription is crime. Under federal law, first-time simple possession of anabolic steroids carries a maximum penalty of one year in prison and a $1,000 fine. For first-offense trafficking in steroids, the maximum penalty is five years in prison and a fine of $250,000. Second offenses double this penalty. In addition to federal penalties, state laws also prohibit illegal anabolic steroid use.

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