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  • petrocs
    petrocs Posts: 4,342
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    I understand all this, but this isn't a matter of upside with Baldelli. This is a legitimate disease that my aunt, who's a doctor, was telling me about. With age it worsens, and your med's get increased. But like anything else the resistance can wear off. Mitochondria, as we all know science friends, is the backbone of everything we do. This dude gets exhausted way too quickly because of this. I definitely don't want him. All I'm saying is tell me how they will reproduce the numbers Pat put up. If you can tell me that can be done, then I'm all fine with not re-signing him.


    I feel bad for the guy...I really do...every time I saw him up to bat he looked run down and scared..I wish him nothing but success and good feelings but I am with JP...I want nothing to do with him on this team
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    I understand all this, but this isn't a matter of upside with Baldelli. This is a legitimate disease that my aunt, who's a doctor, was telling me about. With age it worsens, and your med's get increased. But like anything else the resistance can wear off. Mitochondria, as we all know science friends, is the backbone of everything we do. This dude gets exhausted way too quickly because of this. I definitely don't want him. All I'm saying is tell me how they will reproduce the numbers Pat put up. If you can tell me that can be done, then I'm all fine with not re-signing him.

    Pat Burrell after the Allstar Break 2008

    .215/.313/.413 for an OPS .726 25 Runs scored 10 homers 29 rbis 48 hits and 58 Ks

    So it's not like the Phils are losing that much production.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    petrocs wrote:
    I feel bad for the guy...I really do...every time I saw him up to bat he looked run down and scared..I wish him nothing but success and good feelings but I am with JP...I want nothing to do with him on this team

    Definitely. Seems like an all-around good dude that would go over great in this city, but I want to win again and again and again and again....
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    Solat13 wrote:
    Pat Burrell after the Allstar Break 2008

    .215/.313/.413 for an OPS .726 25 Runs scored 10 homers 29 rbis 48 hits and 58 Ks

    So it's not like the Phils are losing that much production.

    I don't care about after the All-Star break. 2 seasons ago he did the exact opposite - cold in the first half and hot in the second half. Numbers overall - don't ignore them.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    I don't care about after the All-Star break. 2 seasons ago he did the exact opposite - cold in the first half and hot in the second half. Numbers overall - don't ignore them.

    True, batting over .260 twice in 9 seasons is worth 12-14 million nowadays. ;)

    He's a good player who is the second worst left fielder in baseball defensively. He is not worth anything more than a two year deal or else he becomes a blackhole on your payroll. He already is a 7 inning player at age 31. What will he be like in year 3 and 4 of a four year contract?

    If he signs for two years for 20-22 million, I could live with that. Anything more is a mistake.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    Solat13 wrote:
    True, batting over .260 twice in 9 seasons is worth 12-14 million nowadays. ;)

    He's a good player who is the second worst left fielder in baseball defensively. He is not worth anything more than a two year deal or else he becomes a blackhole on your payroll. He already is a 7 inning player at age 31. What will he be like in year 3 and 4 of a four year contract?

    If he signs for two years for 20-22 million, I could live with that. Anything more is a mistake.

    So we're arguing the same point. Perfect.
  • petrocs
    petrocs Posts: 4,342
    Solat13 wrote:
    If he signs for two years for 20-22 million, I could live with that. Anything more is a mistake.

    Left fielders
    Moises Alou (42) - Type B
    Garret Anderson (37) - Type B
    Milton Bradley (31) - Type B
    Emil Brown (34)
    Pat Burrell (32) - Type A
    Adam Dunn (29) - Type A
    Cliff Floyd (36)
    Luis Gonzalez (41) - Type B
    Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
    Raul Ibanez (37) - Type A
    Gabe Kapler (33)
    Kevin Mench (31)
    Jason Michaels (33)
    Craig Monroe (32)
    Greg Norton (36)
    Jay Payton (36)
    Manny Ramirez (37) - Type A
    Juan Rivera (30)
    So Taguchi (39)

    Here ya go...pick your poison
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    petrocs wrote:
    Left fielders
    Moises Alou (42) - Type B
    Garret Anderson (37) - Type B
    Milton Bradley (31) - Type B
    Emil Brown (34)
    Pat Burrell (32) - Type A
    Adam Dunn (29) - Type A
    Cliff Floyd (36)
    Luis Gonzalez (41) - Type B
    Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
    Raul Ibanez (37) - Type A
    Gabe Kapler (33)
    Kevin Mench (31)
    Jason Michaels (33)
    Craig Monroe (32)
    Greg Norton (36)
    Jay Payton (36)
    Manny Ramirez (37) - Type A
    Juan Rivera (30)
    So Taguchi (39)

    Here ya go...pick your poison

    I didn't know Hasbro/Milton Bradley Monopoly was out there. Well there ya go, but then again he's a piece of crap and I don't like who he is as a human being not even a little bit.
  • petrocs
    petrocs Posts: 4,342
    Or we can move Werth to Left and bring in a RF

    Right fielders
    Bobby Abreu (35) - Type A
    Casey Blake (35) - Type B
    Emil Brown (34)
    Cliff Floyd (36)
    Ken Griffey Jr. (39) - Type B
    Gabe Kapler (33)
    Jason Michaels (33)
    Trot Nixon (35)
    Brad Wilkerson (32)
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • petrocs
    petrocs Posts: 4,342
    oh...and here are the starting pitchers

    Starting pitchers
    Kris Benson (33)
    A.J. Burnett (32) - Type A
    Paul Byrd (38) - Type B
    Roger Clemens (46)
    Matt Clement (33)
    Bartolo Colon (36)
    Ryan Dempster (32) - Type A
    Shawn Estes (36)
    Josh Fogg (32)
    Freddy Garcia (33)
    Jon Garland (29) - Type B
    Tom Glavine (43)
    Mike Hampton (36)
    Mark Hendrickson (35)
    Livan Hernandez (34)
    Orlando Hernandez (43)
    Jason Jennings (30)
    Randy Johnson (45) - Type B
    Kenshin Kawakami (34)
    Jon Lieber (39)
    Braden Looper (34) - Type B
    Rodrigo Lopez (33) - club option for '09
    Derek Lowe (36) - Type A
    Greg Maddux (43) - Type B
    Pedro Martinez (37)
    Jamie Moyer (46) - Type A
    Mark Mulder (31)
    Mike Mussina (40) - Type A
    John Parrish (31)
    Carl Pavano (33)
    Brad Penny (31) - Type B
    Odalis Perez (32)
    Oliver Perez (27) - Type A
    Andy Pettitte (37) - Type A
    Sidney Ponson (32)
    Mark Prior (27)
    Kenny Rogers (44)
    Glendon Rusch (34)
    C.C. Sabathia (28) - Type A
    Curt Schilling (42)
    Ben Sheets (30) - Type A
    John Smoltz (42) - Type B
    Koji Uehara (34)
    Kip Wells (32)
    Randy Wolf (32) - Type B



    I'll take Mussina, Sabathia and Lowe to block Wink :D

    My rotation:

    Hamels
    Sabathia
    Lowe
    Mussina
    Myers

    110 wins baby! :D
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    petrocs wrote:
    Or we can move Werth to Left and bring in a RF

    Right fielders
    Bobby Abreu (35) - Type A
    Casey Blake (35) - Type B
    Emil Brown (34)
    Cliff Floyd (36)
    Ken Griffey Jr. (39) - Type B
    Gabe Kapler (33)
    Jason Michaels (33)
    Trot Nixon (35)
    Brad Wilkerson (32)

    Those names aren't really wetting my panties.
  • petrocs
    petrocs Posts: 4,342
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Those names aren't really wetting my panties.

    Griff still has pop in that bat
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    I would just wait until the winter meetings and arbitration hearings in January and wait till some team doesn't offer arbitration on an OFer and pick up someone then. That's how we got Werth and Durbin. Or scour the waiver wires when a team tries to sneak someone off their 40 man which is how we got Dobbs.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    Solat13 wrote:
    I would just wait until the winter meetings and arbitration hearings in January and wait till some team doesn't offer arbitration on an OFer and pick up someone then. That's how we got Werth and Durbin. Or scour the waiver wires when a team tries to sneak someone off their 40 man which is how we got Dobbs.

    Mind you that Werth and Dobbs were gems because of Gillick's experience with Seattle when it comes to Dobbs, and he drafted Werth in Baltimore. So the thing is I think Pat had a really good outlook on these two guys. And I don't know if that's what Gillick's gonna be doing from his home in Seattle.
  • petrocs
    petrocs Posts: 4,342
    So...why is no one talking Mussina in the offseason? is he retiring? He's from PA..maybe a Jamie Moyer-esque return to home to win?

    20-9 with a 3.37 ERA in 2008 150 K's 1.22 WhIP

    Career:

    270 W 3.68 ERA 2,813 K's 1.19 WhIP
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • Steve Dunne
    Steve Dunne Posts: 4,965
    hey did anyone else think the Phillies got rooked again by the cover of SI??? I saw it and actually felt bad for them. The controversy took away from what should have been a glorious cover.
    I love to turn you on
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    petrocs wrote:
    So...why is no one talking Mussina in the offseason? is he retiring? He's from PA..maybe a Jamie Moyer-esque return to home to win?

    20-9 with a 3.37 ERA in 2008 150 K's 1.22 WhIP

    Career:

    270 W 3.68 ERA 2,813 K's 1.19 WhIP

    Our rotation is Hamels, Myers, Moyer(hopefully), Blanton, Happ/Kendrick/Corrasco - where does he fit in? Good player and all, but let's get real. I don't wanna be the Yankees and try and sign every big name out there. Remember that's what makes us human beings - not being Yankee fans.
  • petrocs
    petrocs Posts: 4,342
    Steve Dunne wrote:
    hey did anyone else think the Phillies got rooked again by the cover of SI??? I saw it and actually felt bad for them. The controversy took away from what should have been a glorious cover.


    Yeah it kinda sucked
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,911
    Steve Dunne wrote:
    hey did anyone else think the Phillies got rooked again by the cover of SI??? I saw it and actually felt bad for them. The controversy took away from what should have been a glorious cover.

    Yes the cover freakin sucked. Awesome picture of Lidge that they fucked up with the stupid Dear Bud crap. and do you know they only printed that cover in the northeast? the rest of the country had the guy from the Titans on the cover = brutal.
  • petrocs
    petrocs Posts: 4,342
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Our rotation is Hamels, Myers, Moyer(hopefully), Blanton, Happ/Kendrick/Corrasco - where does he fit in? Good player and all, but let's get real. I don't wanna be the Yankees and try and sign every big name out there. Remember that's what makes us human beings - not being Yankee fans.


    I'm not trying to be the Yankees...I think he is an upgrade. We're not going after CC or Lowe probably..Mussina could give us 15-20 wins..much more than we'll get out of our 5th
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
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