Hank Stienbrenner is a complete FOOL.
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Fighting Hellfish wrote:In 1991 they had about 1,700,000 for the season, averaging about 21,000 per game.
In the early 90's I can't remember much in that I was a free spirit traveling the world.
American Sports was the last thing on my mind then, mostly British soccer and cricket.
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tybird wrote:wow...they won the same number of World Series since 1972 that the Toronto Blue Jays have won.....and the Florida Marlins.
...the same number as the St. Louis Cardinals...the Minnesota Twins...and two less than the Oakland A's.
The same number since 1918, not 1972.
As for the "road attendance" debate. Swap seating capacity from Fenway to Yankee Stadium and the Yanks would have the edge in road attendance. 180k more throughout the season by adding 20k seats to Fenway + 180k less for the Sux by deducting 20k from Yankee Statium and the Yankee's would have a better overall road average. Like someone said earlier, it's simple statistics.Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North."0 -
Ledbetterus wrote:The same number since 1918, not 1972.
As for the "road attendance" debate. Swap seating capacity from Fenway to Yankee Stadium and the Yanks would have the edge in road attendance. 180k more throughout the season by adding 20k seats to Fenway + 180k less for the Sux by deducting 20k from Yankee Statium and the Yankee's would have a better overall road average. Like someone said earlier, it's simple statistics.
However this is not the case, in actuality the Yankees have a larger stadium and RS have a smaller one. I don't see how this contributes to the attendance when the Red Sox play the Tampa Bay Devil Rays here in Florida.
They're Red Sox/Yankee fans all over this country and they both follow their teams on the road. The Red Sox last year just happen to have more fans visiting games on the road. That's all.
2009 the Yankees might regain this road attendance lead with their new stadium. We shall see.
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g under p wrote:However this is not the case, in actuality the Yankees have a larger stadium and RS have a smaller one. I don't see how this contributes to the attendance when the Red Sox play the Tampa Bay Devil Rays here in Florida.
They're Red Sox/Yankee fans all over this country and they both follow their teams on the road. The Red Sox last year just happen to have more fans visiting games on the road. That's all.
2009 the Yankees might regain this road attendance lead with their new stadium. We shall see.
Peace
Assuming every game is a sellout in Boston and in New York, which they are when they play each other, the Sux get 20k more fans for 9 games at Yankee Stadium. The Yankees get 20k less for 9 games in Boston. A difference of 360,000 fans. Give or take. It has nothing to do with the other teams.Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North."0 -
Ledbetterus wrote:Assuming every game is a sellout in Boston and in New York, which they are when they play each other, the Sux get 20k more fans for 9 games at Yankee Stadium. The Yankees get 20k less for 9 games in Boston. A difference of 360,000 fans. Give or take. It has nothing to do with the other teams.
Are you telling the Red Sox fans can get 20k into Yankee Stadium each time they play each other? I really don't think so. Even IF that's ALL' 20k aren't traveling around the country filling up visiting parks. This road attendance demographic cannot be based totally on one park being larger than the other.
I would put more stock into the Red Sox winning a World Series than one park being larger than the other. What it then shows is the determination of Sox fans to see the team wherever they're playing.
I only mentioned the Devil Rays because I don't believe many northeastern RS fans are going to travel down here to see the Sox play the D-Rays during the season.
In Spring Training like right now Red Sox fans are down here in the 1000's making it more difficult for me to get a ticket in Fort Meyers or wherever they're playing at the moment. However my determintion always gets me in, always.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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FFS stop it with the god damn attendance argument. I can find 360,000 the other way. As has been pointed out by me before. Yanks get to go to Shea, the sox dont. The Sox had to go to craptastic Atlanta the Yanks didn't. If that doesnt close the gap, then fine.
The Yanks have more Bandwagon fans by a slim margin. Congratulations. They still choked in 2004, havent won a title since 2000, while their rivals have won 2.
I dont care about 26-7, what have you done for me lately? For the Yanks, they've turned into the braves.9/7/98, 8/3/00, 9/4/00, 4/15/03, 7/1/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 5/24/06, 5/25/06, 6/17/08, 6/22/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 5/17/10, 10/15/13, 10/16/13.0 -
um, no they didn't.g under p wrote:YUP they sure did. However, Hank seems to be really rattled that the Sox fans seem to show up in droves at visiting parks.
Again the Red Sox fans are here to stay.
Peace
the nation (which is a ripoff of Raider Nation) only became "national" once the team got really good. Same thing pretty much happened with the Yankees in the late 90's...although the Yankees always had fans all over based on their history (huge stars like Mantle and Dimaggio) and the fact that so many people originally came from this part of the country.0 -
g under p wrote:Are you telling the Red Sox fans can get 20k into Yankee Stadium each time they play each other? I really don't think so. Even IF that's ALL' 20k aren't traveling around the country filling up visiting parks. This road attendance demographic cannot be based totally on one park being larger than the other.
IPeace
You're missing the point completely. The point is that when the yankees travel to Fenway, their road attendance averages 37,000 or whatever Fenway holds. When The Sox travel to Yankee Stadium, their road attendance is 57,000. So when you compare their full season road attendance, the Yankees start th season 200,000 in the hole0 -
Wow. you're so much more popular. They both have bandwagon fans.Fighting Hellfish wrote:You're missing the point completely. The point is that when the yankees travel to Fenway, their road attendance averages 37,000 or whatever Fenway holds. When The Sox travel to Yankee Stadium, their road attendance is 57,000. So when you compare their full season road attendance, the Yankees start th season 200,000 in the hole
Also dont kid yourself. The sox could sell out a stadium with another 20,000 seats. I see lots of empty seats at Yankee stadium for non sox games.9/7/98, 8/3/00, 9/4/00, 4/15/03, 7/1/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 5/24/06, 5/25/06, 6/17/08, 6/22/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 5/17/10, 10/15/13, 10/16/13.0 -
rearviewmiror wrote:Wow. you're so much more popular. They both have bandwagon fans.
Also dont kid yourself. The sox could sell out a stadium with another 20,000 seats. I see lots of empty seats at Yankee stadium for non sox games.
Huh? Who said anything about being more popular?0 -
what the hell is the we have more fans debate about then? The truth is, Hank is an idiot. There are a quite a lot of Sox fans across this country. The fact that the Sox are #1 in road attendance proves it.
Now, you are correct a little in depth look at those numbers shows that the Yankees are still a probable #1 themselves. The only reason to argue the point is if you want to prove that the Yankees are more popular by a slim margin. The original argument that Hank doesnt know what he is talking about is proved by the very 1/2 ranking of the sox in road attendance.9/7/98, 8/3/00, 9/4/00, 4/15/03, 7/1/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 5/24/06, 5/25/06, 6/17/08, 6/22/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 5/17/10, 10/15/13, 10/16/13.0 -
rearviewmiror wrote:what the hell is the we have more fans debate about then? The truth is, Hank is an idiot. There are a quite a lot of Sox fans across this country. The fact that the Sox are #1 in road attendance proves it.
Now, you are correct a little in depth look at those numbers shows that the Yankees are still a probable #1 themselves. The only reason to argue the point is if you want to prove that the Yankees are more popular by a slim margin. The original argument that Hank doesnt know what he is talking about is proved by the very 1/2 ranking of the sox in road attendance.
I wasn't talking about who has more fans, just how many fans each stadium holds per game.0 -
Look, lets just call it what it is.
The Red Sox are extremely popular, the Yankees are extremely popular.
The Red Sox use their revenue and turn it around to put a good product on the field
The Yankees use their revenue and turn it around to put a good product on the filed
Is the rivalry blown out of proportion by rabid fans of both teams and the media to drive up ratings? yes.
Is there a big difference between the two? absolutely not.
Does it produce some of the best baseball, especially in recent history? abso-fucking-lutely.
So cant we all just sit back and enjoy some good baseball?
And for the record, I am a die hard sox fan since I was little kid, I've seen the Sox go through a change where they used free agency to get the team to a point where they could actually start building from within again.
I think they played it perfectly. They used free agency and won championships and now it is allowing them to stock the farm systems and bring those kids to the majors and possibly be more competitive. As a life long fan I could not be happier.
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Character Zero wrote:Look, lets just call it what it is.
The Red Sox are extremely popular, the Yankees are extremely popular.
The Red Sox use their revenue and turn it around to put a good product on the field
The Yankees use their revenue and turn it around to put a good product on the filed
Is the rivalry blown out of proportion by rabid fans of both teams and the media to drive up ratings? yes.
Is there a big difference between the two? absolutely not.
Does it produce some of the best baseball, especially in recent history? abso-fucking-lutely.
So cant we all just sit back and enjoy some good baseball?
And for the record, I am a die hard sox fan since I was little kid, I've seen the Sox go through a change where they used free agency to get the team to a point where they could actually start building from within again.
I think they played it perfectly. They used free agency and won championships and now it is allowing them to stock the farm systems and bring those kids to the majors and possibly be more competitive. As a life long fan I could not be happier.
- Peace.
Well done and well thought out. Thanks this brings an end to my absolutely eefed up day. The weekend can't get here soon enough for the RS Spring Training Games.
Go SOX!
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Solat13 wrote:Since the last Yankees World Series win, they have spent this on Payroll:
* 2007: $189,639,045
* 2006: $194,663,079
* 2005: $208,306,817
* 2004: $184,193,950
* 2003: $152,749,814
* 2002: $125,928,583
* 2001: $112,287,143
This year's payroll was about 210 million before they signed Cano to a long term deal.
That comes to $1,377,768,431
Here are the Red Sox numbers for the same years. All info is from: http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/
* 2007: $143,026,214
* 2006: $120,099,824
* 2005: $123,505,125
* 2004: $127,298,500
* 2003: $ 99,946,500
* 2002: $108,366,060
* 2001: $110,035,883
The Red Sox payroll this year is about $136 million and they still might dump Taveras and Crisp before the season starts.
That total is $968,278,106 over the same time period.
So yes, both teams spend a ton of money, but the Yanks have outspent the Red Sox by 30% over the same time period.
Right, right, right...I never said the Yankees adopted an Oakland budget. I was just running the numbers for the one Sox fan who thought he was rooting for a small market underdog.
Now if you really want to get into this, we could start looking at revenues and how the Yankees put more back on the field while John Henry stuffs it in his pocket. Hmmmmmmmmmm.....
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pjl44 wrote:Right, right, right...I never said the Yankees adopted an Oakland budget. I was just running the numbers for the one Sox fan who thought he was rooting for a small market underdog.
Now if you really want to get into this, we could start looking at revenues and how the Yankees put more back on the field while John Henry stuffs it in his pocket. Hmmmmmmmmmm.....
The Yankees may put more money back into their team but they've more revenue streams than ANY other team in baseball. The Red Sox I believe are second MLB in spending on salaries so they appear to put more than enough back unto the field.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
pjl44 wrote:Right, right, right...I never said the Yankees adopted an Oakland budget. I was just running the numbers for the one Sox fan who thought he was rooting for a small market underdog.
Now if you really want to get into this, we could start looking at revenues and how the Yankees put more back on the field while John Henry stuffs it in his pocket. Hmmmmmmmmmm.....
True, the Sox and Yanks spend a ton and neither would ever be confused for a small market team, but the Yanks have spent an average of $65 million more per season than the Sox 6 years.- Busted down the pretext
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