Hank Stienbrenner is a complete FOOL.

Stone Is God

yosi wrote:

That's cause Atlanta fans suck.

No argument from me on that one.

pureoc

yosi wrote:

That's cause Atlanta fans suck.

The last year they made the playoffs they had to run a buy game 1 tickets get game 2 tickets free promo, just to get fans at there playoff games, unreal!

g under p

Stone Is God wrote:

Who gives a shit who drew more one the road? The whole point of the matter is over the last four years the Red Sox have been a better team than the Yankees.

As far as complaint on the payroll, that is what good business owners do. They sink the revenue that they earn back into their business. They will always explore more options to gain more revenue to pour back into the team. People shouldn't be mad because they take advantage of the fan base.

Take a look at the douche in Minnesota. He used Santana to land him a new ballpark and then had him traded. That guy has more money then John Henry and Hanky boy and he doesn't sink his money into the product. If I was a Twins fan I would be pissed. That guy could easily pour some of his own money to make that team a winner but he chooses not to. Once you start winning on a yearly basis you will bring in more fans.

I can't really remember an empty stadium that a winning team played in........well except for Atlanta.

I posted about the Red Sox road attendance numbers because somebody earlier in this thread didn't believe they led in attendance. In fact I didn't believe it either when the news about it came out last year.

Also Hank S. seems to believe all the world is a Yankee fan and that's just not the case. I couldn't believe last year when I went to Camden Yards for a O's/Sox game. It was a see of red about 80% Red Sox fans in a Late July game.

As far as Yanks/Sox fans the Yankees should dominate as fans for that team. I mean that the state of NY and NYC has a potential fan base of millions to draw from. I think the Red Sox Doing just fine in what they have to draw from.

I agree with you it's what these wealthy men choose to sink back into their teams to gain that edge to win for their respective cities. Such is not the case for a team like Minnesota or Florida they just simply deal off their star players and start all over again. The Marlins did the same thing and now have approval to build a new stadium at the old Orange Bowl site.

It was a sad site to see the Marlins opening day last year to a half empty Joe Robbie Stadium while at the same time that owner has already pocketed his share of Revenue Sharing.

Peace

Stone Is God

g under p wrote:

I posted about the Red Sox road attendance numbers because somebody earlier in this thread didn't believe they led in attendance. In fact I didn't believe it either when the news about it came out last year.

Also Hank S. seems to believe all the world is a Yankee fan and that's just not the case. I couldn't believe last year when I went to Camden Yards for a O's/Sox game. It was a see of red about 80% Red Sox fans in a Late July game.

As far as Yanks/Sox fans the Yankees should dominate as fans for that team. I mean that the state of NY and NYC has a potential fan base of millions to draw from. I think the Red Sox Doing just fine in what they have to draw from.

I agree with you it's what these wealthy men choose to sink back into their teams to gain that edge to win for their respective cities. Such is not the case for a team like Minnesota or Florida they just simply deal off their star players and start all over again. The Marlins did the same thing and now have approval to build a new stadium at the old Orange Bowl site.

It was a sad site to see the Marlins opening day last year to a half empty Joe Robbie Stadium while at the same time that owner has already pocketed his share of Revenue Sharing.

Peace

I totally agree with you. I'll be down in Balitmore in May for an O's/Sox game and I fully expect to see many Sox fans there. I'm actually going with four or five other people.

I think one of the main reasons why the Sox do so well on the road is because it's cheaper to go see them on the road then at home. Flights to Baltimore that week out of Providence are like $49. That's parking and gas for a Sox game.

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Stone Is God wrote:

I totally agree with you. I'll be down in Balitmore in May for an O's/Sox game and I fully expect to see many Sox fans there. I'm actually going with four or five other people.

I think one of the main reasons why the Sox do so well on the road is because it's cheaper to go see them on the road then at home. Flights to Baltimore that week out of Providence are like $49. That's parking and gas for a Sox game.

At that same game in our boxed seated section of 210. It looked over the Sox bull pen. We counted 5 O's fans and one of them was my daughter.

I met some of the coolest Sox fans who flew down for the series. They had the thick accent from Beantown and we talked Boston sports like their was no tomorrow. Places where we all grew up and the great players of Boston's past. I still can't get over how many Sox fans were there and at the same time how sad it must be for the O's fans.

It takes another team like the Red Sox or the Yanks to fill their stadium. Angelos is a bum who never spends any money while he bitches that the Nationals are impeding on HIS f##king market, he's an ass.

Peace

bootlegger10

Drop The Leash 10 wrote:

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that above is 100% true. the yankees bought championships.the red sox won them

So they didn't have the second highest payroll in baseball? Right.

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bootlegger10 wrote:

So they didn't have the second highest payroll in baseball? Right.

Just trying to keep up with #1.

Peace

bootlegger10

g under p wrote:

Just trying to keep up with #1.

Peace

So, then they did not buy their championship either? You need to think through your argument a little.

Ledbetterus

Whoever mentioned a "salary floor" in baseball is on to something here.. I agree that a cap would be a good thing too, but some teams are making insane amounts of money and not spending any of it. Look at the top 10 of that list.. Pittsburgh is 6! And they haven't been in contention in 15 years.

Some people don't care about winning, they care about making money.

The two best owners in sports, IMO, are George Steinbrenner and Mark Cuban. Two guys who will do as much as they can to win. Every year both are pushing to make big trades, and big off-season signings. Is Cuban still interested in the Pirates?

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bootlegger10 wrote:

So, then they did not buy their championship either? You need to think through your argument a little.

Who ever mentioned anything to do with salaries and bought championships, certainly not I. In fact if a baseball teams pays it's players 10 mil or 500 mil they've bought themselves a championship if they do go on to win. It was more about each teams fans and the domain of the Yanks and the Red Sox.

Nothing more.....

So it's a worthless debate and one I certainly wouldn't entertain. So come again.

Peace

xavier mcdaniel

geez, the payroll debate is really boring. players still have to execute in key spots no matter what their salary is and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Pearls&Stones

Ledbetterus wrote:

The two best owners in sports, IMO, are George Steinbrenner and Mark Cuban.

...and Mario Lemieux. There is no owner in sports who has done the things for his organization that Mario Lemieux has. Seriously, knighthood? sainthood? As a Penguin fan it wouldn't be enough for Mario

Ledbetterus wrote:

Is Cuban still interested in the Pirates?

I can only wish. When Cuban was interested in the Cubs, Peter Gammons said that Major League Baseball would ever allow him to own a team. To much of a circus and blah, blah, blah. I'd love to hear the logic that would make them prevent an owner who cares about winning from buying the Pirates.

Wobbie

I hate the Yanks, but I love Hank!!!

Fighting Hellfish

Pearls&Stones wrote:

...and Mario Lemieux. There is no owner in sports who has done the things for his organization that Mario Lemieux has. Seriously, knighthood? sainthood? As a Penguin fan it wouldn't be enough for Mario




I can only wish. When Cuban was interested in the Cubs, Peter Gammons said that Major League Baseball would ever allow him to own a team. To much of a circus and blah, blah, blah. I'd love to hear the logic that would make them prevent an owner who cares about winning from buying the Pirates.

Cuban will never own a MLB team while Bud is commish. Because he's not one of Bud's dear friends. See John Henry, or the 2 ownership groups who offered more money to buy the Red Sox, as an example

Fighting Hellfish

Ledbetterus wrote:

Whoever mentioned a "salary floor" in baseball is on to something here.. I agree that a cap would be a good thing too, but some teams are making insane amounts of money and not spending any of it. Look at the top 10 of that list.. Pittsburgh is 6! And they haven't been in contention in 15 years.

Some people don't care about winning, they care about making money.

The two best owners in sports, IMO, are George Steinbrenner and Mark Cuban. Two guys who will do as much as they can to win. Every year both are pushing to make big trades, and big off-season signings. Is Cuban still interested in the Pirates?

You know what's even worse? When a team uses its star players to help acquire funding for a new stadium, and as soon as they get taxpayer money to build a new stadium, they dump all the players they just used to get that money. Shameful. Welfare for billionaires

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Yankees Hank Stienbrenner may dispute the exsistence of Red Sox Nation, but it was on display in Jupiter Florida, where some paid $300 to see them.

An artice on the game...Big Bucks Worth It Despite Few Big Stars and another Red Sox Fans Pay Big bucks To See Team.

The 4th largest crowd in the Florida Marlins history of 8,000 plus that were made up of a sea of Red Sox fans including myself. It was beautiful, took the afternoon off and I went up to Roger Dean Stadium without a ticket and got in after bargaing down a scalper.

I told I have my Patriots shirt, Red Sox hat with my Bruins pin and well my green underwear for the C's and St. Patrick's Day. I got a nice seat 3rd base side 7 rows back, surrounded by Red Sox fans.

So Hank give it a rest the Die Hards are here to stay so get used to ya Baffoon.

Peace

tybird

Hank is correct....the Red Sux Nation is a load of shit.

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tybird wrote:

Hank is correct....the Red Sux Nation is a load of shit.

That's really funny, well I gather you better get your gas masks readily available cause the stink will all over this country.

Get over it Hank, Red Sox fans are here to stay.

Peace

tybird

g under p wrote:

That's really funny, well I gather you better get your gas masks readily available cause the stink will all over this country.

Get over it Hank, Red Sox fans are here to stay.

Peace

Styx said it best....You're foolin' yourself.

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tybird wrote:

Styx said it best....You're foolin' yourself.

Get out to some games It's For REAL! Worse since they're the defending World Champions and this is so good being a fan since 1972.

Fort Meyers here I come.

Peace