Hank Stienbrenner is a complete FOOL.

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  • what the hell is the we have more fans debate about then? The truth is, Hank is an idiot. There are a quite a lot of Sox fans across this country. The fact that the Sox are #1 in road attendance proves it.

    Now, you are correct a little in depth look at those numbers shows that the Yankees are still a probable #1 themselves. The only reason to argue the point is if you want to prove that the Yankees are more popular by a slim margin. The original argument that Hank doesnt know what he is talking about is proved by the very 1/2 ranking of the sox in road attendance.
    9/7/98, 8/3/00, 9/4/00, 4/15/03, 7/1/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 5/24/06, 5/25/06, 6/17/08, 6/22/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 5/17/10, 10/15/13, 10/16/13.
  • what the hell is the we have more fans debate about then? The truth is, Hank is an idiot. There are a quite a lot of Sox fans across this country. The fact that the Sox are #1 in road attendance proves it.

    Now, you are correct a little in depth look at those numbers shows that the Yankees are still a probable #1 themselves. The only reason to argue the point is if you want to prove that the Yankees are more popular by a slim margin. The original argument that Hank doesnt know what he is talking about is proved by the very 1/2 ranking of the sox in road attendance.

    I wasn't talking about who has more fans, just how many fans each stadium holds per game.
  • Look, lets just call it what it is.
    The Red Sox are extremely popular, the Yankees are extremely popular.
    The Red Sox use their revenue and turn it around to put a good product on the field
    The Yankees use their revenue and turn it around to put a good product on the filed
    Is the rivalry blown out of proportion by rabid fans of both teams and the media to drive up ratings? yes.

    Is there a big difference between the two? absolutely not.
    Does it produce some of the best baseball, especially in recent history? abso-fucking-lutely.

    So cant we all just sit back and enjoy some good baseball?

    And for the record, I am a die hard sox fan since I was little kid, I've seen the Sox go through a change where they used free agency to get the team to a point where they could actually start building from within again.
    I think they played it perfectly. They used free agency and won championships and now it is allowing them to stock the farm systems and bring those kids to the majors and possibly be more competitive. As a life long fan I could not be happier.

    - Peace.
    I was taught a month ago to bide my time and take it slow, but then I learned just yesterday to rush and never waste a day. Now I'm convinced the whole day long that all I've learned is always wrong. Things are true that I forget, but no one taught that to me yet
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    Look, lets just call it what it is.
    The Red Sox are extremely popular, the Yankees are extremely popular.
    The Red Sox use their revenue and turn it around to put a good product on the field
    The Yankees use their revenue and turn it around to put a good product on the filed
    Is the rivalry blown out of proportion by rabid fans of both teams and the media to drive up ratings? yes.

    Is there a big difference between the two? absolutely not.
    Does it produce some of the best baseball, especially in recent history? abso-fucking-lutely.

    So cant we all just sit back and enjoy some good baseball?

    And for the record, I am a die hard sox fan since I was little kid, I've seen the Sox go through a change where they used free agency to get the team to a point where they could actually start building from within again.
    I think they played it perfectly. They used free agency and won championships and now it is allowing them to stock the farm systems and bring those kids to the majors and possibly be more competitive. As a life long fan I could not be happier.

    - Peace.

    Well done and well thought out. Thanks this brings an end to my absolutely eefed up day. The weekend can't get here soon enough for the RS Spring Training Games.

    Go SOX!

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,475
    Solat13 wrote:
    Since the last Yankees World Series win, they have spent this on Payroll:

    * 2007: $189,639,045
    * 2006: $194,663,079
    * 2005: $208,306,817
    * 2004: $184,193,950
    * 2003: $152,749,814
    * 2002: $125,928,583
    * 2001: $112,287,143

    This year's payroll was about 210 million before they signed Cano to a long term deal.

    That comes to $1,377,768,431

    Here are the Red Sox numbers for the same years. All info is from: http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/

    * 2007: $143,026,214
    * 2006: $120,099,824
    * 2005: $123,505,125
    * 2004: $127,298,500
    * 2003: $ 99,946,500
    * 2002: $108,366,060
    * 2001: $110,035,883

    The Red Sox payroll this year is about $136 million and they still might dump Taveras and Crisp before the season starts.

    That total is $968,278,106 over the same time period.

    So yes, both teams spend a ton of money, but the Yanks have outspent the Red Sox by 30% over the same time period.

    Right, right, right...I never said the Yankees adopted an Oakland budget. I was just running the numbers for the one Sox fan who thought he was rooting for a small market underdog.

    Now if you really want to get into this, we could start looking at revenues and how the Yankees put more back on the field while John Henry stuffs it in his pocket. Hmmmmmmmmmm..... ;)
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    pjl44 wrote:
    Right, right, right...I never said the Yankees adopted an Oakland budget. I was just running the numbers for the one Sox fan who thought he was rooting for a small market underdog.

    Now if you really want to get into this, we could start looking at revenues and how the Yankees put more back on the field while John Henry stuffs it in his pocket. Hmmmmmmmmmm..... ;)

    The Yankees may put more money back into their team but they've more revenue streams than ANY other team in baseball. The Red Sox I believe are second MLB in spending on salaries so they appear to put more than enough back unto the field.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    pjl44 wrote:
    Right, right, right...I never said the Yankees adopted an Oakland budget. I was just running the numbers for the one Sox fan who thought he was rooting for a small market underdog.

    Now if you really want to get into this, we could start looking at revenues and how the Yankees put more back on the field while John Henry stuffs it in his pocket. Hmmmmmmmmmm..... ;)

    True, the Sox and Yanks spend a ton and neither would ever be confused for a small market team, but the Yanks have spent an average of $65 million more per season than the Sox 6 years.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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