this is 100% true, and can be entirely accounted for by the difference in seating capacity between yankee stadium and fenway park (the former having about 20,000 more seats than the latter).
if the yankees and red sox play nine games each at the other team's stadium over the course of a year, it adds up to 180,000 more road "fans" that the red sox draw than the yankees. that's 2,222 fans per game over an 81-game road schedule, which exceeds the reported difference of 1,414 in favor of the red sox. this is further illustrated by the fact that yankees road games in 2007 were filled to 83.4% capacity as opposed to 81.5% for the red sox.
if both stadiums were of equal size, the yankees would lead the league in road attendance.
it's one of those examples that demonstrates how you can use statistics to prove anything.
see, kids... your third grade teacher was right. math really is fun! well... maybe not. but it can be useful for pointing things out that the media refuses to acknowledge.
4. All that being said, I love hearing Red Sox fans (and staff) call the Yankees the "Evil Empire." Even though the playing field is (fairly) level, both teams have it better than the rest of the league. I hate hearing The Red Sox turncoat @$$ of an owner John Henry complain about the Yankees.
evil empire... yup...
larry lucchino coined that phrase, so i guess it's fair to say that hank steinbrenner isn't the only one who likes to run his mouth.
it really only matters to the extent that we as fans allow it to matter.
cashman and epstein are probably the only intelligent human beings in either front office.
How many Red Sox fans were there when the savage Bostonites fans rioted in the street, and some poor girl got killed because police were trying to contain those animals
1. I think the biggest point to be made about those years is that the Yankees payroll wasnt the highest in the league for much of that time. That team was mostly homegrown, with a few free agents sprinkled in , along with a couple brilliant trades (O'Neill for Roberto kelly or Tino & Jeff Nelson for Mike Blowers and Sterling Hitchcock)
2. I agree with you about Hank. george had the right to be somewhat obnoxious, as he bought the team for $12 millon, and turned it into a billion $ industry. Hank is just a member of the lucky sperm club. he should take a lesson from hal, and stay in the background. But I disagree about the Sox being more popular around the country. Everywher eyou look, some actor, rapper, basketball player, whatever is sporting a Yankee hat. Lebron james plays for Cleveland, grew up in the area, an dhe was rooting for NY
3. A salary cap may help the sport a little, but I think a salary floor is needed more. How many teams have $12-$30 million payrolls, and collect $70 million in bvaseball welfare? They're knocked out of contention on Opening Day, but the owners don't care. They made a $50 mil profit without selling 1 ticket.
4. John Henry is prrof that it pays to be friends with the corrupt interim commissioner for life, Bud Selig. 3 groups put in bids for the Sox, and Bud saw to it that his pal, who put in the lowest bid of all, got the team. While he still owned another team, and had a 1& interest on a 3rd team (The Yankees as you alluded to)
My real problem with John Henry is that he's a turncoat. When he was in Florida, he complained that more revenue sharing was needed. Now in Boston, he bitches because he has to share his massive revenue, while still complaining that the Yankees have an unfair advantage. I hate turncoats more than anything. Him and Urban Meyer.
As for revenue sharing, I think the amount should be the same, but it shouldn't go directly to the teams. Each receiving team should have a bank account where the money is directly transferred. Any withdrawals should have to be signed off by one rep from the team and one rep from baseball, and that money goes directly to baseball resources. That way owners like Bob Nutting can't pocket the money
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1. While I don't really care about either side of the argument about whether either team bought their championships. this chart is SO misleading. In 1996, a $52 million dollar payroll was ridiculous, much like a $143 million payroll last year. This chart reminds me of the old folks who say how much cheaper everything was when they were younger.
I only posted those numbers to address the point that "it isn't even half of what the Yankees spent on talent." It's hilarious that there's still a bunch of Red Sox fans who think of their team as a bunch of scrappy underdogs.
I'm going to argue this point. Your argument doesn't prove the Red Sox have an advantage by playing more road games in the Bronx. Those seats at Yankee Stadium would have been full anyway.
i'm not quite sure i follow...
last year, the yankees and red sox met 18 times. nine games were at yankee stadium and nine games were at fenway park. so that part is completely equal.
now, it's an absolute given that all yanks/sox games are going to sell out regardless of where they're played. so based on seating capacity, that's 37,000 fans per game at fenway park and 57,000 at yankee stadium (those aren't exact numbers, but i'm pretty sure they're close enough).
the 37,000 people at fenway park are considered to be yankees road fans. the 57,000 people at yankee stadium are cosidered to be red sox road fans.
so after 18 games between the two teams, the red sox have somewhere around 180,000 more road fans than the yankees (the actual number may be slightly less than this, but not by enough to disprove my argument).
Who gives a shit who drew more one the road? The whole point of the matter is over the last four years the Red Sox have been a better team than the Yankees.
As far as complaint on the payroll, that is what good business owners do. They sink the revenue that they earn back into their business. They will always explore more options to gain more revenue to pour back into the team. People shouldn't be mad because they take advantage of the fan base.
Take a look at the douche in Minnesota. He used Santana to land him a new ballpark and then had him traded. That guy has more money then John Henry and Hanky boy and he doesn't sink his money into the product. If I was a Twins fan I would be pissed. That guy could easily pour some of his own money to make that team a winner but he chooses not to. Once you start winning on a yearly basis you will bring in more fans.
I can't really remember an empty stadium that a winning team played in........well except for Atlanta.
The last year they made the playoffs they had to run a buy game 1 tickets get game 2 tickets free promo, just to get fans at there playoff games, unreal!
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Who gives a shit who drew more one the road? The whole point of the matter is over the last four years the Red Sox have been a better team than the Yankees.
As far as complaint on the payroll, that is what good business owners do. They sink the revenue that they earn back into their business. They will always explore more options to gain more revenue to pour back into the team. People shouldn't be mad because they take advantage of the fan base.
Take a look at the douche in Minnesota. He used Santana to land him a new ballpark and then had him traded. That guy has more money then John Henry and Hanky boy and he doesn't sink his money into the product. If I was a Twins fan I would be pissed. That guy could easily pour some of his own money to make that team a winner but he chooses not to. Once you start winning on a yearly basis you will bring in more fans.
I can't really remember an empty stadium that a winning team played in........well except for Atlanta.
I posted about the Red Sox road attendance numbers because somebody earlier in this thread didn't believe they led in attendance. In fact I didn't believe it either when the news about it came out last year.
Also Hank S. seems to believe all the world is a Yankee fan and that's just not the case. I couldn't believe last year when I went to Camden Yards for a O's/Sox game. It was a see of red about 80% Red Sox fans in a Late July game.
As far as Yanks/Sox fans the Yankees should dominate as fans for that team. I mean that the state of NY and NYC has a potential fan base of millions to draw from. I think the Red Sox Doing just fine in what they have to draw from.
I agree with you it's what these wealthy men choose to sink back into their teams to gain that edge to win for their respective cities. Such is not the case for a team like Minnesota or Florida they just simply deal off their star players and start all over again. The Marlins did the same thing and now have approval to build a new stadium at the old Orange Bowl site.
It was a sad site to see the Marlins opening day last year to a half empty Joe Robbie Stadium while at the same time that owner has already pocketed his share of Revenue Sharing.
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I posted about the Red Sox road attendance numbers because somebody earlier in this thread didn't believe they led in attendance. In fact I didn't believe it either when the news about it came out last year.
Also Hank S. seems to believe all the world is a Yankee fan and that's just not the case. I couldn't believe last year when I went to Camden Yards for a O's/Sox game. It was a see of red about 80% Red Sox fans in a Late July game.
As far as Yanks/Sox fans the Yankees should dominate as fans for that team. I mean that the state of NY and NYC has a potential fan base of millions to draw from. I think the Red Sox Doing just fine in what they have to draw from.
I agree with you it's what these wealthy men choose to sink back into their teams to gain that edge to win for their respective cities. Such is not the case for a team like Minnesota or Florida they just simply deal off their star players and start all over again. The Marlins did the same thing and now have approval to build a new stadium at the old Orange Bowl site.
It was a sad site to see the Marlins opening day last year to a half empty Joe Robbie Stadium while at the same time that owner has already pocketed his share of Revenue Sharing.
Peace
I totally agree with you. I'll be down in Balitmore in May for an O's/Sox game and I fully expect to see many Sox fans there. I'm actually going with four or five other people.
I think one of the main reasons why the Sox do so well on the road is because it's cheaper to go see them on the road then at home. Flights to Baltimore that week out of Providence are like $49. That's parking and gas for a Sox game.
I totally agree with you. I'll be down in Balitmore in May for an O's/Sox game and I fully expect to see many Sox fans there. I'm actually going with four or five other people.
I think one of the main reasons why the Sox do so well on the road is because it's cheaper to go see them on the road then at home. Flights to Baltimore that week out of Providence are like $49. That's parking and gas for a Sox game.
At that same game in our boxed seated section of 210. It looked over the Sox bull pen. We counted 5 O's fans and one of them was my daughter.
I met some of the coolest Sox fans who flew down for the series. They had the thick accent from Beantown and we talked Boston sports like their was no tomorrow. Places where we all grew up and the great players of Boston's past. I still can't get over how many Sox fans were there and at the same time how sad it must be for the O's fans.
It takes another team like the Red Sox or the Yanks to fill their stadium. Angelos is a bum who never spends any money while he bitches that the Nationals are impeding on HIS f##king market, he's an ass.
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So they didn't have the second highest payroll in baseball? Right.
Just trying to keep up with #1.
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Whoever mentioned a "salary floor" in baseball is on to something here.. I agree that a cap would be a good thing too, but some teams are making insane amounts of money and not spending any of it. Look at the top 10 of that list.. Pittsburgh is 6! And they haven't been in contention in 15 years.
Some people don't care about winning, they care about making money.
The two best owners in sports, IMO, are George Steinbrenner and Mark Cuban. Two guys who will do as much as they can to win. Every year both are pushing to make big trades, and big off-season signings. Is Cuban still interested in the Pirates?
Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North."
So, then they did not buy their championship either? You need to think through your argument a little.
Who ever mentioned anything to do with salaries and bought championships, certainly not I. In fact if a baseball teams pays it's players 10 mil or 500 mil they've bought themselves a championship if they do go on to win. It was more about each teams fans and the domain of the Yanks and the Red Sox.
Nothing more.....
So it's a worthless debate and one I certainly wouldn't entertain. So come again.
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
geez, the payroll debate is really boring. players still have to execute in key spots no matter what their salary is and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
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The two best owners in sports, IMO, are George Steinbrenner and Mark Cuban.
...and Mario Lemieux. There is no owner in sports who has done the things for his organization that Mario Lemieux has. Seriously, knighthood? sainthood? As a Penguin fan it wouldn't be enough for Mario
I can only wish. When Cuban was interested in the Cubs, Peter Gammons said that Major League Baseball would ever allow him to own a team. To much of a circus and blah, blah, blah. I'd love to hear the logic that would make them prevent an owner who cares about winning from buying the Pirates.
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...and Mario Lemieux. There is no owner in sports who has done the things for his organization that Mario Lemieux has. Seriously, knighthood? sainthood? As a Penguin fan it wouldn't be enough for Mario
I can only wish. When Cuban was interested in the Cubs, Peter Gammons said that Major League Baseball would ever allow him to own a team. To much of a circus and blah, blah, blah. I'd love to hear the logic that would make them prevent an owner who cares about winning from buying the Pirates.
Cuban will never own a MLB team while Bud is commish. Because he's not one of Bud's dear friends. See John Henry, or the 2 ownership groups who offered more money to buy the Red Sox, as an example
Whoever mentioned a "salary floor" in baseball is on to something here.. I agree that a cap would be a good thing too, but some teams are making insane amounts of money and not spending any of it. Look at the top 10 of that list.. Pittsburgh is 6! And they haven't been in contention in 15 years.
Some people don't care about winning, they care about making money.
The two best owners in sports, IMO, are George Steinbrenner and Mark Cuban. Two guys who will do as much as they can to win. Every year both are pushing to make big trades, and big off-season signings. Is Cuban still interested in the Pirates?
You know what's even worse? When a team uses its star players to help acquire funding for a new stadium, and as soon as they get taxpayer money to build a new stadium, they dump all the players they just used to get that money. Shameful. Welfare for billionaires
The 4th largest crowd in the Florida Marlins history of 8,000 plus that were made up of a sea of Red Sox fans including myself. It was beautiful, took the afternoon off and I went up to Roger Dean Stadium without a ticket and got in after bargaing down a scalper.
I told I have my Patriots shirt, Red Sox hat with my Bruins pin and well my green underwear for the C's and St. Patrick's Day. I got a nice seat 3rd base side 7 rows back, surrounded by Red Sox fans.
So Hank give it a rest the Die Hards are here to stay so get used to ya Baffoon.
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Hank is correct....the Red Sux Nation is a load of shit.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Hank is correct....the Red Sux Nation is a load of shit.
That's really funny, well I gather you better get your gas masks readily available cause the stink will all over this country.
Get over it Hank, Red Sox fans are here to stay.
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That's really funny, well I gather you better get your gas masks readily available cause the stink will all over this country.
Get over it Hank, Red Sox fans are here to stay.
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Get out to some games It's For REAL! Worse since they're the defending World Champions and this is so good being a fan since 1972.
Fort Meyers here I come.
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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That's the point I was about to make
evil empire... yup...
larry lucchino coined that phrase, so i guess it's fair to say that hank steinbrenner isn't the only one who likes to run his mouth.
it really only matters to the extent that we as fans allow it to matter.
cashman and epstein are probably the only intelligent human beings in either front office.
How many Red Sox fans were there when the savage Bostonites fans rioted in the street, and some poor girl got killed because police were trying to contain those animals
My real problem with John Henry is that he's a turncoat. When he was in Florida, he complained that more revenue sharing was needed. Now in Boston, he bitches because he has to share his massive revenue, while still complaining that the Yankees have an unfair advantage. I hate turncoats more than anything. Him and Urban Meyer.
As for revenue sharing, I think the amount should be the same, but it shouldn't go directly to the teams. Each receiving team should have a bank account where the money is directly transferred. Any withdrawals should have to be signed off by one rep from the team and one rep from baseball, and that money goes directly to baseball resources. That way owners like Bob Nutting can't pocket the money
we sit around and wonder exactly why our marriage should feel threatened by gay marriage
I only posted those numbers to address the point that "it isn't even half of what the Yankees spent on talent." It's hilarious that there's still a bunch of Red Sox fans who think of their team as a bunch of scrappy underdogs.
Relax buddy. I was just making a joke.
i'm not quite sure i follow...
last year, the yankees and red sox met 18 times. nine games were at yankee stadium and nine games were at fenway park. so that part is completely equal.
now, it's an absolute given that all yanks/sox games are going to sell out regardless of where they're played. so based on seating capacity, that's 37,000 fans per game at fenway park and 57,000 at yankee stadium (those aren't exact numbers, but i'm pretty sure they're close enough).
the 37,000 people at fenway park are considered to be yankees road fans. the 57,000 people at yankee stadium are cosidered to be red sox road fans.
so after 18 games between the two teams, the red sox have somewhere around 180,000 more road fans than the yankees (the actual number may be slightly less than this, but not by enough to disprove my argument).
That's a hell of a commute.....
As far as complaint on the payroll, that is what good business owners do. They sink the revenue that they earn back into their business. They will always explore more options to gain more revenue to pour back into the team. People shouldn't be mad because they take advantage of the fan base.
Take a look at the douche in Minnesota. He used Santana to land him a new ballpark and then had him traded. That guy has more money then John Henry and Hanky boy and he doesn't sink his money into the product. If I was a Twins fan I would be pissed. That guy could easily pour some of his own money to make that team a winner but he chooses not to. Once you start winning on a yearly basis you will bring in more fans.
I can't really remember an empty stadium that a winning team played in........well except for Atlanta.
That's cause Atlanta fans suck.
No argument from me on that one.
The last year they made the playoffs they had to run a buy game 1 tickets get game 2 tickets free promo, just to get fans at there playoff games, unreal!
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I posted about the Red Sox road attendance numbers because somebody earlier in this thread didn't believe they led in attendance. In fact I didn't believe it either when the news about it came out last year.
Also Hank S. seems to believe all the world is a Yankee fan and that's just not the case. I couldn't believe last year when I went to Camden Yards for a O's/Sox game. It was a see of red about 80% Red Sox fans in a Late July game.
As far as Yanks/Sox fans the Yankees should dominate as fans for that team. I mean that the state of NY and NYC has a potential fan base of millions to draw from. I think the Red Sox Doing just fine in what they have to draw from.
I agree with you it's what these wealthy men choose to sink back into their teams to gain that edge to win for their respective cities. Such is not the case for a team like Minnesota or Florida they just simply deal off their star players and start all over again. The Marlins did the same thing and now have approval to build a new stadium at the old Orange Bowl site.
It was a sad site to see the Marlins opening day last year to a half empty Joe Robbie Stadium while at the same time that owner has already pocketed his share of Revenue Sharing.
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I totally agree with you. I'll be down in Balitmore in May for an O's/Sox game and I fully expect to see many Sox fans there. I'm actually going with four or five other people.
I think one of the main reasons why the Sox do so well on the road is because it's cheaper to go see them on the road then at home. Flights to Baltimore that week out of Providence are like $49. That's parking and gas for a Sox game.
At that same game in our boxed seated section of 210. It looked over the Sox bull pen. We counted 5 O's fans and one of them was my daughter.
I met some of the coolest Sox fans who flew down for the series. They had the thick accent from Beantown and we talked Boston sports like their was no tomorrow. Places where we all grew up and the great players of Boston's past. I still can't get over how many Sox fans were there and at the same time how sad it must be for the O's fans.
It takes another team like the Red Sox or the Yanks to fill their stadium. Angelos is a bum who never spends any money while he bitches that the Nationals are impeding on HIS f##king market, he's an ass.
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So they didn't have the second highest payroll in baseball? Right.
Just trying to keep up with #1.
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So, then they did not buy their championship either? You need to think through your argument a little.
Some people don't care about winning, they care about making money.
The two best owners in sports, IMO, are George Steinbrenner and Mark Cuban. Two guys who will do as much as they can to win. Every year both are pushing to make big trades, and big off-season signings. Is Cuban still interested in the Pirates?
Who ever mentioned anything to do with salaries and bought championships, certainly not I. In fact if a baseball teams pays it's players 10 mil or 500 mil they've bought themselves a championship if they do go on to win. It was more about each teams fans and the domain of the Yanks and the Red Sox.
Nothing more.....
So it's a worthless debate and one I certainly wouldn't entertain. So come again.
Peace
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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...and Mario Lemieux. There is no owner in sports who has done the things for his organization that Mario Lemieux has. Seriously, knighthood? sainthood? As a Penguin fan it wouldn't be enough for Mario
I can only wish. When Cuban was interested in the Cubs, Peter Gammons said that Major League Baseball would ever allow him to own a team. To much of a circus and blah, blah, blah. I'd love to hear the logic that would make them prevent an owner who cares about winning from buying the Pirates.
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Cuban will never own a MLB team while Bud is commish. Because he's not one of Bud's dear friends. See John Henry, or the 2 ownership groups who offered more money to buy the Red Sox, as an example
You know what's even worse? When a team uses its star players to help acquire funding for a new stadium, and as soon as they get taxpayer money to build a new stadium, they dump all the players they just used to get that money. Shameful. Welfare for billionaires
An artice on the game...Big Bucks Worth It Despite Few Big Stars and another Red Sox Fans Pay Big bucks To See Team.
The 4th largest crowd in the Florida Marlins history of 8,000 plus that were made up of a sea of Red Sox fans including myself. It was beautiful, took the afternoon off and I went up to Roger Dean Stadium without a ticket and got in after bargaing down a scalper.
I told I have my Patriots shirt, Red Sox hat with my Bruins pin and well my green underwear for the C's and St. Patrick's Day. I got a nice seat 3rd base side 7 rows back, surrounded by Red Sox fans.
So Hank give it a rest the Die Hards are here to stay so get used to ya Baffoon.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
That's really funny, well I gather you better get your gas masks readily available cause the stink will all over this country.
Get over it Hank, Red Sox fans are here to stay.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Get out to some games It's For REAL! Worse since they're the defending World Champions and this is so good being a fan since 1972.
Fort Meyers here I come.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)