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  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    civ_eng_girl wrote:
    no, no.

    art is only a subset of emotion...

    all art should cause emotion..... but not everything that causes emotion is art.

    i could draw you a Venn Diagram of it.....
    save me, i'm a math nerd. :o

    Who decided that? One of the people who were crap at art?

    Here, this took skill, talent and dedication.
    http://dlucas84.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/bob_ross_csg033_mountain_splender.jpg


    This didn't, just needed a dead sheep and a glass box...and a lot of bullshit.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/yourview/1580155/Does-Britain-need-more-modern-art.html
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    jamie uk wrote:
    Who decided that? One of the people who were crap at art?

    Here, this took skill, talent and dedication.
    http://dlucas84.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/bob_ross_csg033_mountain_splender.jpg

    Still on about Bob Ross?

    The Bob Ross techniques really aren't as difficult as you think they are. And he uses the same techniques for every painting he does. :o
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Still on about Bob Ross?

    The Bob Ross techniques really aren't as difficult as you think they are. And he uses the same techniques for every painting he does. :o


    damien hirst?

    The Damien Hirst techniques really aren't as difficult as you think they are. And he uses the same lack of technique for every artwork he does. :o
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    dunkman wrote:
    damien hirst?

    The Damien Hirst techniques really aren't as difficult as you think they are. And he uses the same lack of technique for every artwork he does. :o

    I've no doubt that's true. ;)
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • civ_eng_girl
    civ_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    jamie uk wrote:
    Who decided that? One of the people who were crap at art?

    Here, this took skill, talent and dedication.
    http://dlucas84.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/bob_ross_csg033_mountain_splender.jpg


    This didn't, just needed a dead sheep and a glass box...and a lot of bullshit.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/yourview/1580155/Does-Britain-need-more-modern-art.html

    i'm not sure how these examples are supposed to disprove my theory?
    in fact, i think they support it! :p

    why are you assuming that Ross's paintings don't evoke emotion? i looked at that painting and felt very peaceful (and then giggled about Bob's happy little trees. :))

    when i look at the second one, i don't feel anything. it's a sheep in a box. and then i wondered if it was a real sheep, or a fake sheep. that's all.
    ~~*~~ ...i surfaced and all of my being was enlightend... ~~*~~
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    civ_eng_girl wrote:
    i'm not sure how these examples are supposed to disprove my theory?
    in fact, i think they support it! :p

    why are you assuming that Ross's paintings don't evoke emotion? i looked at that painting and felt very peaceful (and then giggled about Bob's happy little trees. :))

    when i look at the second one, i don't feel anything. it's a sheep in a box. and then i wondered if it was a real sheep, or a fake sheep. that's all.

    I'm just amused he thinks Bob Ross' painting requires 'skill and dedication.'

    Get me a fan brush Jamie UK and I'll show you how to paint a 'happy little tree' just like those ones. :D
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • civ_eng_girl
    civ_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I'm just amused he thinks Bob Ross' painting requires 'skill and dedication.'

    Get me a fan brush Jamie UK and I'll show you how to paint a 'happy little tree' just like those ones. :D

    lol! i know! he used to crank those suckers out in 30 minutes or less! ;):D
    ~~*~~ ...i surfaced and all of my being was enlightend... ~~*~~
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    civ_eng_girl wrote:
    lol! i know! he used to crank those suckers out in 30 minutes or less! ;):D


    thats 28 minutes longer than it took that guy to get into his bear suit. :)

    so its how long a painting takes that makes it art now is it? ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    Some more art:

    http://www.slought.org/img/archive1/1264+press1.jpg (Hermann Nitsch)

    http://www.genetologisch-onderzoek.nl/wp-content/image_upload/fabre.jpg (Jan Fabre) (What you're looking at is pillars wrapped in meat)
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    Collin wrote:
    Some more art:

    http://www.slought.org/img/archive1/1264+press1.jpg (Hermann Nitsch)

    http://www.genetologisch-onderzoek.nl/wp-content/image_upload/fabre.jpg (Jan Fabre) (What you're looking at is pillars wrapped in meat)

    so thats the world's shittest butchers in pic 1

    and Goliath's local kebab shop in pic 2


    its pompous beyond belief... any idiot wearing specs could do that.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • civ_eng_girl
    civ_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    dunkman wrote:
    thats 28 minutes longer than it took that guy to get into his bear suit. :)

    so its how long a painting takes that makes it art now is it? ;)

    i'm certain that years and years of careful thought and planning went into each one of his little masterpieces! :p:)
    ~~*~~ ...i surfaced and all of my being was enlightend... ~~*~~
  • Buru
    Buru Posts: 8,473
    dunkman wrote:
    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1985.63.5.jpg

    shit


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/image_galleries/turner_prize_2007_gallery.shtml

    all 4 of these examples = shit

    hahaha, love your forwardness about this.

    I actually like some of them.

    But not the bear.

    Although it did kinda make me laugh.
    y la banda de Guille... cuando toca?
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    http://www.sudsandsoda.com/notes/ronihorn2.jpg

    Roni Horn took a whole lot of close up pictures of a girl. The girl is in water and she moves slightly because of the waves, Horn also moves a little, so each photo is just a little different.
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    dunkman wrote:
    thats 28 minutes longer than it took that guy to get into his bear suit. :)

    so its how long a painting takes that makes it art now is it? ;)

    I don't know Dunk, is it?

    28 minutes = art but 2 minutes doesn't?
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I don't know Dunk, is it?

    28 minutes = art but 2 minutes doesn't?

    i think you've read my post all wrong. :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    dunkman wrote:
    i think you've read my post all wrong. :)

    Quite possibly......

    *runs back to sort out the confusion*

    Edit: Ah yes, I did. Sorry. I'm just not used to having you agree with me. :D
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • TrixieCat
    TrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I'm just amused he thinks Bob Ross' painting requires 'skill and dedication.'

    Get me a fan brush Jamie UK and I'll show you how to paint a 'happy little tree' just like those ones. :D
    Then he did his job.
    His show was about teaching you how to paint.
    Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
    And I don't feel right when you're gone away
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    TrixieCat wrote:
    Then he did his job.
    His show was about teaching you how to paint.

    Of course, hence the show's success. But that's different from an artist with 'skill and dedication' producing great art in its own right. We're talking about 'skill and dedication', not the ability to teach the TV-watching public a few easy short cuts for half an hour.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • TrixieCat
    TrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Of course, hence the show's success. But that's different from an artist with 'skill and dedication' producing great art in its own right. We're talking about 'skill and dedication', not the ability to teach the public a few short cuts for half an hour.
    Just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so is art.
    If Jamie chooses to appreciate Bob Ross' work and see the skill and dedication, then that is his perogative. Your being pretentious about him being a charlatan makes absolutely no sense at all. He was a painter and wanted to share his love with the world. That seems to be dedication to me.
    And no, not everyone can paint what he did.
    Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
    And I don't feel right when you're gone away
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    TrixieCat wrote:
    Just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so is art.
    If Jamie chooses to appreciate Bob Ross' work and see the skill and dedication, then that is his perogative. Your being pretentious about him being a charlatan makes absolutely no sense at all. He was a painter and wanted to share his love with the world. That seems to be dedication to me.
    And no, not everyone can paint what he did.

    Look, I loved his show. It's a good, entertaining, relaxing half hour. I still watch it when it's on. I like Bob Ross, he's a cool guy.

    But Jamie UK's argument was that Modern Art produced quickly is not real art, whereas Bob Ross's stuff IS... which is a silly statement. Bob Ross's stuff is just as easy to *learn* to produce as Modern Art of the type that Rothko does (and yes, there would be some learning to do to produce a Bob Ross painting - but about an afternoon would do it).

    I'm no more pretentious than someone who says 'Modern art = shit'. :) We're all a bit pretentious, otherwise we wouldn't still be arguing about this.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison

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