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  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    facepollution wrote:
    From your previous post it looks like that is what you think? :confused:

    It is what I think.
    Sorry to confuse you...it's a little standing joke here that I am the only person in the Pearl Jam universe that thinks Fight Club sucks the big one......
    go ahead, destroy me.
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    jamie uk wrote:
    no, it's about guys meeting in a car park to have a fight.
    Where I came from people fought like fuck, mostly on a Saturday night afer the pubs closed, they beat up each other, coppers, passers by...it was disgusting, but it was 'aggressive tendencies', as you say, finding an outlet. I don't buy that that stuff can be 'bottled' and used when and as you like.

    You say potatoe, I say potato...you say cinematic visionary, I say load of fancy old bollocks.
    It's not about guys meeting in a car park to have a fight. I don't think it's visionary at all, I think it's a really obvious comment on something that most people could identify with. I don't rate the film itself that much beyond the two main performances, I love Norton and I thought Pitt was great in it. I'm much more a fan of the book because it's the concept I thought was well done. It's not about fighting people in car parks, it's about kicking the shit out of someone because you can't kick the shit out of yourself. It's not great art, it's just venting. Everyone has to do that, right? :) It's about ordinary people not having an outlet and then when they find one, they realise it's immature to expect to be able to do it for life. The whole second half of the film is for people like you who don't sympathise with the narrator, when it goes too far and it all goes to shit for him. When he has to live in the real world.

    There's nothing particularly big or clever about it, it's just ordinary people trying and failing to find a way to cope with themselves. I just happen to quite like it. I don't think it's particularly profound or anything :o
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • TrixieCat
    TrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    jamie uk wrote:
    Yes I did. Because you put me up to saying it, and I knew...and suspect you also had a fair idea, what was gonna come my way :p which is a shit storm of pompous art wank, fancy, fanny film fans, wanting to tell me what a fecking moron I am :p
    I don't think you are a moron and I don't like it for dumb artsy fartsy reasons. I don't even find it to be that much of a cinematic stretch. I just love it is all.
    Helena B Carter, Brad Pitt and Ed Norton are hysterical in it.
    And the costumes and sets are to die for. :)
    Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
    And I don't feel right when you're gone away
  • comebackwoman
    comebackwoman Posts: 7,271
    A History of Violence - that movie was a hot mess. I can't believe it was nominated for anything. I cringed through the whole thing.
    There's a light when my baby's in my arms :)
  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    samick wrote:
    Right on the money............

    give me a fuckin hug :D
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
  • chiquimonkey
    chiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    TrixieCat wrote:
    And the costumes and sets are to die for. :)
    brad's abs are to die for in that movie.

    :eek:

    godDAMN
  • samick
    samick Posts: 373
    jamie uk wrote:
    give me a fuckin hug :D


    Yeah....maybe i'm dense...........but i didn't get it (fight club)..........I just don't think it was as deep as people make it out to be...........
  • TrixieCat
    TrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    brad's abs are to die for in that movie.

    :eek:

    godDAMN
    Not as nice as Meatloaf's bitch tits.
    :eek:
    Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
    And I don't feel right when you're gone away
  • chiquimonkey
    chiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    TrixieCat wrote:
    Not as nice as Meatloaf's bitch tits.
    :eek:
    purrrrr

    that reminds me i need to go bra shopping lol
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    purrrrr

    that reminds me i need to go bra shopping lol


    hehehehehehe
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    samick wrote:
    Yeah....maybe i'm dense...........but i didn't get it (fight club)..........I just don't think it was as deep as people make it out to be...........
    What I don't get is why everyone who doesn't like Fight Club assumes that those who do think it is "deep".
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • samick
    samick Posts: 373
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    What I don't get is why everyone who doesn't like Fight Club assumes that those who do think it is "deep".
    Notice the words I used

    "as deep as PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE"

    I know it's about as deep as a puddle.............
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    samick wrote:
    Notice the words I used

    "as deep as PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE"

    I know it's about as deep as a puddle.............
    I know that. I can read. What I'm asking is "Why do you think that every person who likes Fight Club is the same. Why do you think we all think it's deep?"
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    It's not about guys meeting in a car park to have a fight. I don't think it's visionary at all, I think it's a really obvious comment on something that most people could identify with. I don't rate the film itself that much beyond the two main performances, I love Norton and I thought Pitt was great in it. I'm much more a fan of the book because it's the concept I thought was well done. It's not about fighting people in car parks, it's about kicking the shit out of someone because you can't kick the shit out of yourself. It's not great art, it's just venting. Everyone has to do that, right? :) It's about ordinary people not having an outlet and then when they find one, they realise it's immature to expect to be able to do it for life. The whole second half of the film is for people like you who don't sympathise with the narrator, when it goes too far and it all goes to shit for him. When he has to live in the real world.

    There's nothing particularly big or clever about it, it's just ordinary people trying and failing to find a way to cope with themselves. I just happen to quite like it. I don't think it's particularly profound or anything :o

    I can't buy that it's ordinary people :( sorry, it's just Hollywood tosh, and it is about fighting in car parks...which never ever happened btw, if it was set 200 years ago in Wales.....no, even then people only fought if they had an argument, or for prize money.
    Sorry guys, I aint having this profoundity at all.
    A film about real life....Twin Town, there, I relate to that, but not fancy bankers or whatever saying...."hey guys, listen, keep this a secret okay...our little secret.....listen, we come here and have a fight...! oh yeah...a fight...you heard me, it relieves all you stresses...oh boy.....a fight...goody goody, a fight "
    sorry...not buying it :o
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    brad's abs are to die for in that movie.

    :eek:

    godDAMN


    now we get to the real appeal of the movie....;) and why would I enjoy looking at Brads abs?... I mean I have my own if I need to see some :p
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    jamie uk wrote:
    I can't buy that it's ordinary people :( sorry, it's just Hollywood tosh, and it is about fighting in car parks...which never ever happened btw, if it was set 200 years ago in Wales.....no, even then people only fought if they had an argument, or for prize money.
    Sorry guys, I aint having this profoundity at all.
    A film about real life....Twin Town, there, I relate to that, but not fancy bankers or whatever saying...."hey guys, listen, keep this a secret okay...our little secret.....listen, we come here and have a fight...! oh yeah...a fight...you heard me, it relieves all you stresses...oh boy.....a fight...goody goody, a fight "
    sorry...not buying it :o
    I just said it's NOT profound, and it's not supposed to be Hollywood either. It's a book by Chuck Palahniuk. He's one of these nihilistic, anti-consumerist guys. That's why the character has a nice job etc. He has to. Some guy working on a shipping yard is supposed to hate his life. In Fight Club, the narrator has a nice job, a nice Ikea house and he's not satisfied. That's believable right? Having financial security isn't a passport to eternal contentment. Why is it so unbelievable that he might have a fight with a friend in the car park of a pub while hammered one night just because they're bored with everything else they do and they've never done it before?

    God knows I've felt like it sometimes.

    What I want to know is, why is this bit of dramatic license for the sake of a film any more reprehensible and full of shite than Saving Private Fucking Ryan? :D
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    samick wrote:
    Notice the words I used

    "as deep as PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE"

    I know it's about as deep as a puddle.............


    No fighting guys.....it's ok to hate each others movies....but no hating each other ok ? :)

    same goes for you Jez ;)
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
  • chiquimonkey
    chiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    jamie uk wrote:
    now we get to the real appeal of the movie....;) and why would I enjoy looking at Brads abs?... I mean I have my own if I need to see some :p
    i dunno maybe you might enjoy them, i don't judge :p haha

    i did enjoy the movie, beyond the visual effects hehe
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    jamie uk wrote:
    It is what I think.
    Sorry to confuse you...it's a little standing joke here that I am the only person in the Pearl Jam universe that thinks Fight Club sucks the big one......
    go ahead, destroy me.

    The fighting is symbolic of people wanting to re-connect with what it is to be a human being in the purest sense of the word - eschewing all the commercialised bull shit that we surround ourselves with and how we create our own little universe through consumerism and stuff. Like the fact we are all chatting away with each other via the internet, rather than actually being out there talking to a person face to face and experiencing the world. Fighting is generally regarded as a primal action thus it serves its purpose within the film. Kind of like how people self harm so they can feel something - anything.

    "You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis"

    I think about the above quote quite a lot actually, because it's all too easy to define yourself by the things you own and surround yourself with, yet at the end of the day you are nothing more than a human being, the same as anyone else. I dunno, maybe that's all 'artsy fartsy wank' to you, but to me it's pretty much the basis for any existential dilemma going.
  • chiquimonkey
    chiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Saving Private Fucking Ryan? :D
    i think that's another movie in a whole other genre. thankfully one tom hanks is absent from *vomit*

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