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NY PJ1 wrote:This Thread Never Belongs On Page 5
how'd we let it go that far??
anyways Larry Brooks in todays NY Post:
SLATS' HEAD-SCRATCHING SUMMER
Posted: 4:16 am
July 20, 2008
ALL right. Here are the questions. Some of them, at least.
A limited no-trade clause on top of $39M over six years to get Wade Redden to sign, a full no move on top of $8M over two years to get Markus Naslund to commit, and doesn't it seem as if the Rangers are back to where they were before the lockout, bribing overpriced free agents to come to New York?
If the Rangers didn't want to bring back Sean Avery, if he was such a destructive influence, why in the world did Glen Sather offer him a four-year contract for $12M?
What if Avery had come to the conclusion that $3M a year in New York was worth more to him than the $3.875M per for which he ultimately signed in Dallas?
What if he had taken the Rangers' offer? Then what?
And again, if Sather indeed did want to sign him, how could $1M a year be the breaking point? You know what $1M is? It's Patrick Rissmiller. That's what it is.
Did Sather lose Avery so he could sign Rissmiller?
Really?
If the Rangers didn't want to bring back Jaromir Jagr, why didn't Sather tell him that face to face, rather than in a brief phone conversation some 20 minutes before the unilateral decision was announced on a conference call with the media?
Why in the world didn't Sather schedule a meeting with Jagr in June so the general manager and captain could at least discuss their respective visions of the future?
Was this some kind of payback for Jagr's yearlong public flirtation with Omsk that annoyed some Rangers when it continued into April, but was really only Jaromir being Jaromir?
And if the Rangers did want to sign No. 68, what, we're supposed to believe Sather just forgot to tell him that while the GM was spending his money on everyone else the first three days of July?
If the Rangers don't want Brendan Shanahan, don't you think that Sather would tell him that face-to-face instead of delivering exactly the opposite message in conference calls with the media, if not to Shanahan himself, either directly or indirectly?
Are we supposed to believe that Shanahan at $2M (Slap Shots' hypothetical number, not anyone else's) doesn't have value worth at least the combined investment of Rissmiller and Dan Fritsche or Fredrik Sjostrom?
What's the worst that could happen if Shanahan has a bad training camp and/or first six weeks of the season. That he would be released?
Again, how come players who had bad years other places, like Naslund, Redden and Dimitri Kalinin, get the benefit of the doubt from Sather, but Shanahan doesn't?
Where is this great respect for these all-time players that Sather promised and boasted about during a chat with a pair of writers at the Entry Draft in Ottawa?
Would Sather ever have treated Mark Messier this way (rhetorical question)?
What happened to all these allegedly great draft picks from four and five years ago who should be ready to challenge for third- and fourth-line spots this fall but apparently aren't, thus prompting Sather to sign people from other organizations for too much money as support personnel?
What happened to Tommy Pyatt and Brodie Dupont and Dane Byers and Billy Ryan, for instance? What's happened to Greg Moore that he can't be a low-cost, fourth-line winger?
What would happen, by the way, if Mats Sundin decides he wants to play in New York instead of accepting Vancouver's standing $20M offer over two years?
How could the Rangers have had $15.55M in the cap bank to sign four free-agent defensemen, Redden, Kalinin, Michal Rozsival and Paul Mara, but never get around to making an offer to Brooks Orpik?
If Marc Staal, whose omission from the NHL all-rookie team was a reflection of utmost ignorance, by the way, becomes the stud defenseman over the next two years everyone anticipates, why the need for Redden and Rozsival?
What team spends $4M to sign two third-pair defensemen, anyway?
If 2004 - which was easy, except for the Brian Leetch trade - was a purge, then what exactly is this . . . other than a mystery?
Why are the three dominant personalities of the last two seasons - Jagr, Shanahan, Avery - gone? And don't try to pretend it's about money.
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You don't really expect the findings of the IIHF as they apply to the disputed contract status of Alexander Radulov and Nikolai Filatov to be binding on either the NHL or the Russian KHL, do you, because they won't be.
So is it safe to go out now for all those ignoramuses who were ready to walk the sidewalks with sandwich boards declaring, "The End is Near," if the final event held at the current Yankee Stadium had been a hockey game?
Finally, does anyone sense that Slap Shots has major issues with Sather's performance since the end of the playoffs.Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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stickboy wrote:lol! We're slipping
how'd we let it go that far??
anyways Larry Brooks in todays NY Post:
SLATS' HEAD-SCRATCHING SUMMER
Posted: 4:16 am
July 20, 2008
ALL right. Here are the questions. Some of them, at least.
A limited no-trade clause on top of $39M over six years to get Wade Redden to sign, a full no move on top of $8M over two years to get Markus Naslund to commit, and doesn't it seem as if the Rangers are back to where they were before the lockout, bribing overpriced free agents to come to New York?
If the Rangers didn't want to bring back Sean Avery, if he was such a destructive influence, why in the world did Glen Sather offer him a four-year contract for $12M?
What if Avery had come to the conclusion that $3M a year in New York was worth more to him than the $3.875M per for which he ultimately signed in Dallas?
What if he had taken the Rangers' offer? Then what?
And again, if Sather indeed did want to sign him, how could $1M a year be the breaking point? You know what $1M is? It's Patrick Rissmiller. That's what it is.
Did Sather lose Avery so he could sign Rissmiller?
Really?
If the Rangers didn't want to bring back Jaromir Jagr, why didn't Sather tell him that face to face, rather than in a brief phone conversation some 20 minutes before the unilateral decision was announced on a conference call with the media?
Why in the world didn't Sather schedule a meeting with Jagr in June so the general manager and captain could at least discuss their respective visions of the future?
Was this some kind of payback for Jagr's yearlong public flirtation with Omsk that annoyed some Rangers when it continued into April, but was really only Jaromir being Jaromir?
And if the Rangers did want to sign No. 68, what, we're supposed to believe Sather just forgot to tell him that while the GM was spending his money on everyone else the first three days of July?
If the Rangers don't want Brendan Shanahan, don't you think that Sather would tell him that face-to-face instead of delivering exactly the opposite message in conference calls with the media, if not to Shanahan himself, either directly or indirectly?
Are we supposed to believe that Shanahan at $2M (Slap Shots' hypothetical number, not anyone else's) doesn't have value worth at least the combined investment of Rissmiller and Dan Fritsche or Fredrik Sjostrom?
What's the worst that could happen if Shanahan has a bad training camp and/or first six weeks of the season. That he would be released?
Again, how come players who had bad years other places, like Naslund, Redden and Dimitri Kalinin, get the benefit of the doubt from Sather, but Shanahan doesn't?
Where is this great respect for these all-time players that Sather promised and boasted about during a chat with a pair of writers at the Entry Draft in Ottawa?
Would Sather ever have treated Mark Messier this way (rhetorical question)?
What happened to all these allegedly great draft picks from four and five years ago who should be ready to challenge for third- and fourth-line spots this fall but apparently aren't, thus prompting Sather to sign people from other organizations for too much money as support personnel?
What happened to Tommy Pyatt and Brodie Dupont and Dane Byers and Billy Ryan, for instance? What's happened to Greg Moore that he can't be a low-cost, fourth-line winger?
What would happen, by the way, if Mats Sundin decides he wants to play in New York instead of accepting Vancouver's standing $20M offer over two years?
How could the Rangers have had $15.55M in the cap bank to sign four free-agent defensemen, Redden, Kalinin, Michal Rozsival and Paul Mara, but never get around to making an offer to Brooks Orpik?
If Marc Staal, whose omission from the NHL all-rookie team was a reflection of utmost ignorance, by the way, becomes the stud defenseman over the next two years everyone anticipates, why the need for Redden and Rozsival?
What team spends $4M to sign two third-pair defensemen, anyway?
If 2004 - which was easy, except for the Brian Leetch trade - was a purge, then what exactly is this . . . other than a mystery?
Why are the three dominant personalities of the last two seasons - Jagr, Shanahan, Avery - gone? And don't try to pretend it's about money.
*
You don't really expect the findings of the IIHF as they apply to the disputed contract status of Alexander Radulov and Nikolai Filatov to be binding on either the NHL or the Russian KHL, do you, because they won't be.
So is it safe to go out now for all those ignoramuses who were ready to walk the sidewalks with sandwich boards declaring, "The End is Near," if the final event held at the current Yankee Stadium had been a hockey game?
Finally, does anyone sense that Slap Shots has major issues with Sather's performance since the end of the playoffs.
brooks is right on all this stuff with the rangers.Reading 2004
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."0 -
xavier mcdaniel wrote:brooks is right on all this stuff with the rangers.Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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stickboy wrote:yea and I hate agreeing with him cause he likes to start rumours and pop shit but he nailed it on this one.
well the rumors are part of the paper he works for, the post.Reading 2004
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."0 -
July 21, 2008
Moore Re-Signs as Writers Size Up Summer Moves
UPDATE: Hugh Jessiman re-signed -- see Howlings for a couple of quotes from Huge. Blue Notes reports on the Blues possibly being interested in Brendan Shanahan. Prospect Park says look for the Rangers' youngsters to take team leadership roles during the season. MSG.com quotes readers who have already moved on past Jagr and Avery (including two Blueshirt Bulletin copy editors, Pat Hoffman and Dan Akeson).
News in Rangerland is pretty light these days, what with the Rangers having already used up all their cap space in remaking their roster. The depth chart is being filled with the re-signing of RFAs -- Greg Moore became the second to last to re-up today (see NYR.com), leaving Fred Sjostrom as the lone remaining player left to be inked. With the dearth of hard news, some observers have turned toward analyzing what has been done to the Blueshirts this summer -- Larry Brooks in the Post and Sam Weinman in Rangers Report express their reservations, evoking the ghost of the bad old days from before the lockout.For the ones who had a notion, a notion deep inside
That it ain't no sin to be glad you're alive
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quiet quiet quiet
aside from shanny, does anyone see the club making anymore moves before training camp??0 -
singularity wrote:quiet quiet quiet
aside from shanny, does anyone see the club making anymore moves before training camp??
with the cap restrictions at hand,... i think theres only a space large enough for a pubic hair, or maybe a paramecium,...For the ones who had a notion, a notion deep inside
That it ain't no sin to be glad you're alive
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Bathgate66 wrote:with the cap restrictions at hand,... i think theres only a space large enough for a pubic hair, or maybe a paramecium,...
good word ...paramecium lol
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Bathgate66 wrote:with the cap restrictions at hand,... i think theres only a space large enough for a pubic hair, or maybe a paramecium,...
yeah, that's not a lot of room to worth with.
stuck with what we got for now!0 -
Is this what the lines will look like?
I think this is what it could be, i'm only pondering where Naslund will be, and after looking at this, WE NEED A RIGHT WINGER
1st Line:
LW: Markus Naslund
C: Chris Drury (Captain)
RW: Ryan CallahanWade Reddin
Michal Rozsival
2nd Line:
LW: Petr Prucha
C: Scott Gomez
RW: Nikolai ZherdevDmitri Kalinin
Marc Staal
3rd Line:
LW: Nigel Dawes
C: Brandon Dubinsky
RW: Fredrik SjostromThomas Pock
Daniel Girardi
4th Line:
LW: Patrick Rissmiller
C: Blair Betts
RW: Colton Orr?
2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 | 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x20 -
HailHailVitalogy wrote:Is this what the lines will look like?
I think this is what it could be, i'm only pondering where Naslund will be, and after looking at this, WE NEED A RIGHT WINGER
1st Line:
LW: Markus Naslund
C: Chris Drury (Captain)
RW: Ryan CallahanWade Reddin
Michal Rozsival
2nd Line:
LW: Petr Prucha
C: Scott Gomez
RW: Nikolai ZherdevDmitri Kalinin
Marc Staal
3rd Line:
LW: Nigel Dawes
C: Brandon Dubinsky
RW: Fredrik SjostromThomas Pock
Daniel Girardi
4th Line:
LW: Patrick Rissmiller
C: Blair Betts
RW: Colton Orr?
not terrible but you only have three defensive pairs in a game. not unreasonable to think it's a playoff lineup that will do some tweaking around the deadline.Reading 2004
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."0 -
HailHailVitalogy wrote:Is this what the lines will look like?
I think this is what it could be, i'm only pondering where Naslund will be, and after looking at this, WE NEED A RIGHT WINGER
1st Line:
LW: Markus Naslund
C: Chris Drury (Captain)
RW: Ryan CallahanWade Reddin
Michal Rozsival
2nd Line:
LW: Petr Prucha
C: Scott Gomez
RW: Nikolai ZherdevDmitri Kalinin
Marc Staal
3rd Line:
LW: Nigel Dawes
C: Brandon Dubinsky
RW: Fredrik SjostromThomas Pock
Daniel Girardi
4th Line:
LW: Patrick Rissmiller
C: Blair Betts
RW: Colton Orr?
something tells me their might be alot of tinkering (sp)0 -
xavier mcdaniel wrote:not terrible but you only have three defensive pairs in a game. not unreasonable to think it's a playoff lineup that will do some tweaking around the deadline.
i know that, i just added it
but we really need a RW for the first line, not that Callahan can't take the roll, I love the guy, but I think he would work better with Gomez2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 | 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x20 -
HailHailVitalogy wrote:Is this what the lines will look like?
I think this is what it could be, i'm only pondering where Naslund will be, and after looking at this, WE NEED A RIGHT WINGER
1st Line:
LW: Markus Naslund
C: Chris Drury (Captain)
RW: Ryan CallahanWade Reddin
Michal Rozsival
2nd Line:
LW: Petr Prucha
C: Scott Gomez
RW: Nikolai ZherdevDmitri Kalinin
Marc Staal
3rd Line:
LW: Nigel Dawes
C: Brandon Dubinsky
RW: Fredrik SjostromThomas Pock
Daniel Girardi
4th Line:
LW: Patrick Rissmiller
C: Blair Betts
RW: Colton Orr?
Dawes-Dubinsky-Drury
Naslund-Gomez-Zherdev
Callahan-Prucha-Korpikoski
Orr-Betts-Fritsche
*scratched players-Rismiller-Voros, and maybe another prospect or 2
D-men
Redden and Rozsival
Staal and Girardi
Kalinin and Mara/Malik
Sanguinetti as backupAah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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stickboy wrote:If I'm Tom Renney I try a lil something like this:
Dawes-Dubinsky-Drury
Naslund-Gomez-Zherdev
Callahan-Prucha-Korpikoski
Orr-Betts-Fritsche
*scratched players-Rismiller-Voros, and maybe another prospect or 2
D-men
Redden and Rozsival
Staal and Girardi
Kalinin and Mara/Malik
Sanguinetti as backup
if zherdev has his head on straight, him and gomez will skate up the ice very fast together.Reading 2004
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."0 -
stickboy wrote:If I'm Tom Renney I try a lil something like this:
Dawes-Dubinsky-Drury
Naslund-Gomez-Zherdev
Callahan-Prucha-Korpikoski
Orr-Betts-Fritsche
*scratched players-Rismiller-Voros, and maybe another prospect or 2
D-men
Redden and Rozsival
Staal and Girardi
Kalinin and Mara/Malik
Sanguinetti as backup
we need to have drury at center where he is most comfy (imo)
but like i said the lines will be interesting in camp0 -
i'd have dawes on the 2nd line and prucha on the 3rd.0
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xavier mcdaniel wrote:if zherdev has his head on straight, him and gomez will skate up the ice very fast together.Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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NY PJ1 wrote:we need to have drury at center where he is most comfy (imo)
but like i said the lines will be interesting in camp
1st line-experience, veteran leadership and 2 youngsters waiting to take over and high energy
2nd line can be extremely lethal
3rd line is a mystery we dont know what Pruchas gonna bring this yr and Cally and Korpikoski are also question marks
4th line is what it is ..a good 4th lineAah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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Not only did Henrik Lundqvist take in a Bruce Springsteen and E Street Band show this week in Stockholm, but before the concert, the Rangers goalie met his musical hero. "It was a great experience!" Henrik said.
......" The Ranger had a homecoming,......"For the ones who had a notion, a notion deep inside
That it ain't no sin to be glad you're alive
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