2007 New England Patriots

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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,882
    WhiteMaleRat wrote:

    But you notice that none of this whining, excuses, racism card is associated with Boller - the QB - the most prominent postion on the field. Or from the white head coach?
    Dude, I mean the answer is right in your statement.
    Perhaps because the white guys weren't the subject of racist comments from the white officials. Yeah maybe.
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  • WhiteMaleRat
    WhiteMaleRat Posts: 302
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    how much more clutching and grabbing were the patriots gonna get away with? if it were for all these penalties the ravens had, patriots should've blown this game out. but they didn't... maybe it's because the ravens did indeed play a good game.

    give the credit to the ravens dude. just be happy your team won.

    I don't recall any major non calls on the Pats, at least no major complaining from Balt. WR's, Bolller or coaches - no replays, etc.

    Of course we're happy. Pats fans here are giving credit to the Ravens - they played great, it's just the Pat hating dweebs here are whining about too many penalties and timeouts, etc. They feed into the whining thug Raven players.
    "This guy back here is giving me the ole one more....one more back to you buddy."

    - Mr. Edward Vedder 7/11/03


  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Poncier wrote:
    Dude, I mean the answer is right in your statement.
    Perhaps because the white guys weren't the subject of racist comments from the white officials. Yeah maybe.
    lol, and how HUGE would this scenario be if it was a WHITE official saying that?
  • WhiteMaleRat
    WhiteMaleRat Posts: 302
    Poncier wrote:
    Dude, I mean the answer is right in your statement.
    Perhaps because the white guys weren't the subject of racist comments from the white officials. Yeah maybe.


    no I meant the Whining - no dumb quotes from Boller or Billick. Despite all their critics, those guys are being classy. I loved the kisses to Harrison.
    "This guy back here is giving me the ole one more....one more back to you buddy."

    - Mr. Edward Vedder 7/11/03


  • WhiteMaleRat
    WhiteMaleRat Posts: 302
    all4PearlJam wrote:
    lol, and how HUGE would this scenario be if it was a WHITE official saying that?

    so it was a black official? that makes it better?
    "This guy back here is giving me the ole one more....one more back to you buddy."

    - Mr. Edward Vedder 7/11/03


  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Poncier wrote:
    This situation should not be overlooked. You're in Baltimore Ryan, so I'm sure there is more info on this there...is there any proof of this that can be sent to the league (I read that one of the officials was calling the defenders "boy"), and if so that official should be fired immediately.
    The Bart Scott show is on tonight and I usually listen to it on my way to bowling, but I can't b/c my car is in the shop...maybe it'll be on the bus. The flag throwing incident has to be one of the top funniest things I have seen on the football field in quite sometime...it almost made it worth watching the Pats win again. Anyway I will do my best to pay attention to this, since my job is to look at, among other things, racism in sports.

    Also let's not forget that the Pats definitely cheated in the past so while the Jets thing didn't help them in that particular game, who's to say tendencies weren't noted from prior games. I hate him for many reasons but Belichek is a very organized coach, and to think that their prior indescretions haven't helped him to this point is kind of silly don't you think?

    Anyway the Steelers do hit hard just not Ravens hard (they were at full 13-3 strength this week with both DBs, JO, and others back). However, their offense is about 1000 times better than B'more's so who knows. I just don't see the Pats losing to them for some reason...mostly b/c every time the Pats look down under Belichek they come back and beat the crap out of whoever they play the next week.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,882
    WhiteMaleRat wrote:
    no I meant the Whining - no dumb quotes from Boller or Billick. Despite all their critics, those guys are being classy. I loved the kisses to Harrison.
    But you did put "racism card" in the sentence.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,882
    all4PearlJam wrote:
    lol, and how HUGE would this scenario be if it was a WHITE official saying that?
    Was the offending official black?
    I do not know which one was supposed to have said the stuff.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    WhiteMaleRat wrote:
    I don't recall any major non calls on the Pats, at least no major complaining from Balt. WR's, Bolller or coaches - no replays, etc.

    Of course we're happy. Pats fans here are giving credit to the Ravens - they played great, it's just the Pat hating dweebs here are whining about too many penalties and timeouts, etc. They feed into the whining thug Raven players.
    i'm referring to the holding that happens on every play for every team. i thought it was widely known. something that we've come to accept about football. just like basketball and flopping. soon it will be baseball and steroids. j/k

    i didn't think much about the ravens penalties... but i can sympathize for their frustrations. wouldn't you be pissed? i would. ravens played superb against them... they really did. i guess if they were going to have all these penalties and not be able to stop the patriots on the 4th down conversions than they should've thought of winding the clock down when they had those 2 earlier possessions. i still feel that the patriots should've lost... just like the cowboys should've lost to the bills. cowboys got very very very lucky on that game... so did the patriots.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,882
    ryan198 wrote:
    The flag throwing incident has to be one of the top funniest things I have seen on the football field in quite sometime.

    .
    That and T.O. pouring popcorn into his facemask on Thursday made for very funny bookends to this weekend's football.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    WhiteMaleRat wrote:
    I don't recall any major non calls on the Pats, at least no major complaining from Balt. WR's, Bolller or coaches - no replays, etc.

    Of course we're happy. Pats fans here are giving credit to the Ravens - they played great, it's just the Pat hating dweebs here are whining about too many penalties and timeouts, etc. They feed into the whining thug Raven players.
    besides Ray-Murder, who may or may not have been present for the death of another human, who on that defense is actually a thug? Just because they play rough (football is a contact sport) doesn't make you a thug. If you are going to argue that then the Pats are just as thug-like, if not more so than the Ravens, (Merriweather, Harrison, late-hit Wilfork, and others). The thing that makes your defense great-ish (not quite but pretty damn good) is that it can be intimidating.
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Poncier wrote:
    That and T.O. pouring popcorn into his facemask on Thursday made for very funny bookends to this weekend's football.
    I'm still waiting for him to go off and do something just ridiculous like fake-use the football as a heroin needle against the Eagles or something. He's been too well behaved this season for me to feel comfortable.
  • WhiteMaleRat
    WhiteMaleRat Posts: 302
    Poncier wrote:
    But you did put "racism card" in the sentence.


    yes I did - some black players unfortunately don't help curtail racism or stereotyping by their actions - even from black officials. If indeed that is the case here allegedly.
    "This guy back here is giving me the ole one more....one more back to you buddy."

    - Mr. Edward Vedder 7/11/03


  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,882
    ryan198 wrote:
    besides Ray-Murder, who may or may not have been present for the death of another human, who on that defense is actually a thug? Just because they play rough (football is a contact sport) doesn't make you a thug. If you are going to argue that then the Pats are just as thug-like, if not more so than the Ravens, (Merriweather, Harrison, late-hit Wilfork, and others). The thing that makes your defense great-ish (not quite but pretty damn good) is that it can be intimidating.
    This is quite true, and intimidation is clearly part of the Raven's game plan as well as the Pat's. (especially Harrison).

    The Ravens hit hard, their D when healthy is still at or near the top of the league. Belichick just gushes over Ed Reed (funny quotes from Brady this week saying Reed better run after the game ends or Belichick is gonna try and sneak him on to the plane, and Belichick would like to adopt Reed, "Ed Belichick").
    The 2 defenses and the coaches are not that dissimilar. Be certain that Belichick would enjoy a week where he had a bye week with the Pats and was given the Ravens' defenive coordinator job for one game.

    You can't be a finesse player in 9 of the 11 defensive positions. (CB to an extent can be, Deion Sanders had a hall of fame career while never making a real tackle).
    Both teams are sore today, I guarantee.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • WhiteMaleRat
    WhiteMaleRat Posts: 302
    Poncier wrote:
    That and T.O. pouring popcorn into his facemask on Thursday made for very funny bookends to this weekend's football.


    it's just stupid IMO.
    "This guy back here is giving me the ole one more....one more back to you buddy."

    - Mr. Edward Vedder 7/11/03


  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    ryan198 wrote:
    besides Ray-Murder, who may or may not have been present for the death of another human, who on that defense is actually a thug? Just because they play rough (football is a contact sport) doesn't make you a thug. If you are going to argue that then the Pats are just as thug-like, if not more so than the Ravens, (Merriweather, Harrison, late-hit Wilfork, and others). The thing that makes your defense great-ish (not quite but pretty damn good) is that it can be intimidating.
    i wouldn't be intimidated by any football pro-bowler if i were a football player and as big as them. i'd probably have the same spirit that a dude like steve smith of the panthers, or marion barber of the cowboys. i wouldn't be scared for shit. even if the game were close... i think i'd be the kind of player that would play at best. that being said, i can't understand why teams allow other teams to beat them mentally.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • WhiteMaleRat
    WhiteMaleRat Posts: 302
    ryan198 wrote:
    besides Ray-Murder, who may or may not have been present for the death of another human, who on that defense is actually a thug? Just because they play rough (football is a contact sport) doesn't make you a thug. If you are going to argue that then the Pats are just as thug-like, if not more so than the Ravens, (Merriweather, Harrison, late-hit Wilfork, and others). The thing that makes your defense great-ish (not quite but pretty damn good) is that it can be intimidating.

    I'm referring to the players getting into the official faces in a threatening manner, throwing the flag into the stands, lying flat in the middle of the field in disbelief, etc. Yes, certainly there are Pats players who have pulled similar crap in the past.
    "This guy back here is giving me the ole one more....one more back to you buddy."

    - Mr. Edward Vedder 7/11/03


  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,882
    WhiteMaleRat wrote:
    it's just stupid IMO.
    I think Owens when he is not pulling the off field crap like he did in Philly is quite entertaining.
    When he grabbed the pom-poms from a 49er cheerleader after scoring a few years back, it was perhaps the funniest celebration I've ever seen. The popcorn was a very funny image as well.
    The man is a great talent, and if he focuses on football and having fun, he's a joy to watch.
    I don't condone the placing of the ball on the star at Dallas when he was Niner, thats too much of a direct taunt, but its kind of funny to see how Cowboy fans love him so much now. Pain has no memory.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • WhiteMaleRat
    WhiteMaleRat Posts: 302
    Poncier wrote:
    I think Owens when he is not pulling the off field crap like he did in Philly is quite entertaining.
    When he grabbed the pom-poms from a 49er cheerleader after scoring a few years back, it was perhaps the funniest celebration I've ever seen. The popcorn was a very funny image as well.
    The man is a great talent, and if he focuses on football and having fun, he's a joy to watch.
    I don't condone the placing of the ball on the star at Dallas when he was Niner, thats too much of a direct taunt, but its kind of funny to see how Cowboy fans love him so much now. Pain has no memory.


    all of those things are funny and entertaining - but I hate to see it because so many people use those shenanigans against black people. Did you see Moss's postgame interview? He had the pimp suit and shades and said some funny things. He is really smart and articulate though just from hearing him speak. I guess this is off topic.
    "This guy back here is giving me the ole one more....one more back to you buddy."

    - Mr. Edward Vedder 7/11/03


  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Poncier wrote:
    I think Owens when he is not pulling the off field crap like he did in Philly is quite entertaining.
    When he grabbed the pom-poms from a 49er cheerleader after scoring a few years back, it was perhaps the funniest celebration I've ever seen. The popcorn was a very funny image as well.
    The man is a great talent, and if he focuses on football and having fun, he's a joy to watch.
    I don't condone the placing of the ball on the star at Dallas when he was Niner, thats too much of a direct taunt, but its kind of funny to see how Cowboy fans love him so much now. Pain has no memory.
    woah woah woah...i became a fan of TO because of the star celebration, that was the best thing ever. but then again i am a fan of any athlete who tries to break the norm even if its against my team.

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