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  • harrymanback
    harrymanback Posts: 435
    BTW, did anybody else think that there was going to be something wrong with the baby, like he was a wolf baby or polar bear baby?
    I don't want to be hostile. I don't want to be dismal. But I don't want to rot in an apathetic existance either.
  • dirtyT
    dirtyT Posts: 3,620
    Solat13 wrote:
    True, but an attorney always tries to make the best case for their client whether they believe it or not themselves. So in the attorney's mind with no Aaron getting Kate sympathy and Kate's own mom ready to testify against her, he needed a witness that could best bring out the best of Kate's character - even through lies.

    So Kate may well have not known Jack was going to testify, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have if he knew Aaron was there.
    Yeah, that is a good point.

    I am real anxious to see Thursday episode. I have no idea what to expect.
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    dirtyT wrote:
    Maybe but Kate didn't seem like she knew Jack was coming. Before Jack walked in, her lawyer said, "don't fire me for this"...

    LOL! Again, I was going to post this same thought, but you beat me to it!
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  • dirtyT
    dirtyT Posts: 3,620
    AmentsChick wrote:
    LOL! Again, I was going to post this same thought, but you beat me to it!
    DAMN IT I SUCK!!! I am sorry. It must be because we both work for "secret companies", that is why we think a like!!!
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    harrymanback wrote:
    BTW, did anybody else think that there was going to be something wrong with the baby, like he was a wolf baby or polar bear baby?

    Don't hate me for this...but when I first saw Aaron (big Aaron, not infant) I thought he had Down's Syndrome or something. :eek: I'm awful, I know. :(
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    dirtyT wrote:
    DAMN IT I SUCK!!! I am sorry. It must be because we both work for "secret companies", that is why we think a like!!!

    LOL! LOL! Funny!! That must be it.
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  • dirtyT
    dirtyT Posts: 3,620
    AmentsChick wrote:
    Don't hate me for this...but when I first saw Aaron (big Aaron, not infant) I thought he had Down's Syndrome or something. :eek: I'm awful, I know. :(
    Funny, so did I, it must have been the camera angle and him just waking up. No hate!
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  • dirtyT
    dirtyT Posts: 3,620
    AmentsChick wrote:
    Don't hate me for this...but when I first saw Aaron (big Aaron, not infant) I thought he had Down's Syndrome or something. :eek: I'm awful, I know. :(
    AGAIN, IT'S THE AGENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    dirtyT wrote:
    Funny, so did I, it must have been the camera angle and him just waking up. No hate!

    So it's not just me then?! I feel slightly better now.

    P.S. I probably look like that when I'm first waking up, too.
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  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    Solat13 wrote:
    So Kate may well have not known Jack was going to testify, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have if he knew Aaron was there.

    But if Kate didn't know Jack was testifying, her reasoning for not having Aaron in court couldn't be because Jack wouldn't testify.

    dirtyT, you might be right about not having Aaron testify, just in the courtroom. I'd have to see it again to be sure.
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    rrivers wrote:
    But if Kate didn't know Jack was testifying, her reasoning for not having Aaron in court couldn't be because Jack wouldn't testify.

    EXACTLY! That's what I was thinking but couldn't think of a proper way to phrase it!! :) Good job!
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  • dirtyT
    dirtyT Posts: 3,620
    AmentsChick wrote:
    EXACTLY! That's what I was thinking but couldn't think of a proper way to phrase it!! :) Good job!
    Maybe she really, just didn't want Aaron apart of it. Maybe she is trying to keep Aaron behind closed doors to the world. Maybe Oceanic told her to keep Aaron as secret as possible, so that the possibilty of someone who knows it really wasn't hers, doesn't see him. Maybe Oceanic is afraid the world might find out, more people lived/are alive....does this make sense or did I make everyone else stupid?
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    rrivers wrote:
    But if Kate didn't know Jack was testifying, her reasoning for not having Aaron in court couldn't be because Jack wouldn't testify.

    dirtyT, you might be right about not having Aaron testify, just in the courtroom. I'd have to see it again to be sure.

    Jack is always there to bail Kate out. Kate probably wanted to do this on her own. In a case like this - especially with character witnesses, there would be no surprise witnesses so Jack was listed as a possible witness for the defense.

    The fact that Kate got so damaged by the opening remarks of the prosecuting attorney led her counsel to bring Jack as a witness.

    But the fact there was a possibility Jack could testify, plus the fact that Kate didn't want her mom seeing Aaron are why I feel Kate didn't want him in court. Plus the obvious reason, Aaron thinks Kate is his mom. How traumatic would it be for a toddler to see their "mom" in handcuffs?
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  • dirtyT
    dirtyT Posts: 3,620
    Solat13 wrote:
    Jack is always there to bail Kate out. Kate probably wanted to do this on her own. In a case like this - especially with character witnesses, there would be no surprise witnesses so Jack was listed as a possible witness for the defense.

    The fact that Kate got so damaged by the opening remarks of the prosecuting attorney led her counsel to bring Jack as a witness.

    But the fact there was a possibility Jack could testify, plus the fact that Kate didn't want her mom seeing Aaron are why I feel Kate didn't want him in court. Plus the obvious reason, Aaron thinks Kate is his mom. How traumatic would it be for a toddler to see their "mom" in handcuffs?
    I think you just nailed it.

    One, Kate doesn't want her mom to see Aaron and two, Aaron probably thinks Kate is his real mom.
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    Solat13 wrote:
    Jack is always there to bail Kate out. Kate probably wanted to do this on her own. In a case like this - especially with character witnesses, there would be no surprise witnesses so Jack was listed as a possible witness for the defense.

    The fact that Kate got so damaged by the opening remarks of the prosecuting attorney led her counsel to bring Jack as a witness.

    But the fact there was a possibility Jack could testify, plus the fact that Kate didn't want her mom seeing Aaron are why I feel Kate didn't want him in court. Plus the obvious reason, Aaron thinks Kate is his mom. How traumatic would it be for a toddler to see their "mom" in handcuffs?

    I don't think that's it at all. I think Kate just hates whatever happened on the island...and hates the lies (they were forced to tell) even more! I think she didn't want Jack to testify is because she didn't want him to lie for her on the stand.
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  • nfanel
    nfanel Posts: 2,558
    AmentsChick wrote:
    I don't think that's it at all. I think Kate just hates whatever happened on the island...and hates the lies (they were forced to tell) even more! I think she didn't want Jack to testify is because she didn't want him to lie for her on the stand.
    that was my take on it too. especially when she said to jack she thinks he's actually starting to believe the story (lies).
    also, when she took the plea bargain, saying she just wanted it to be over is more evidence of that, i think. i think she's trying to get as far away from all-things-island as possible.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    AmentsChick wrote:
    I don't think that's it at all. I think Kate just hates whatever happened on the island...and hates the lies (they were forced to tell) even more! I think she didn't want Jack to testify is because she didn't want him to lie for her on the stand.

    I don't know about that. It seems the island gave her something the real world couldn't. She has freedom, as far we know has settled down in one place and now has a son. She seems of all the people who have gotten off the island best off.

    During the finale last year, she told Jack that they were supposed to leave the island and ignored his pleas that they have to go back.

    So whatever lies she's had to tell seems, to have been ultimately worth it in the end which is why Jack and Hurley who have better moral compasses than Kate are trying to get back.
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  • AllIAm
    AllIAm Posts: 1,309
    so why have we not discussed the fact that this trial took place in LA and not wherever the crime took place. usually you hold trials that are not federal crimes in the state it happened.

    so maybe... just maybe.. kate was involved in a crime in california.. and maybe it involved claire.. and maybe thats why she's got the kid now.. maybe oh maybe.

    and i agree.. kate ddint want jack on the stand because she didnt want anymore lies...

    she loves aaron..but i think she got him in a very shady way...and there is no way she is going back to that island
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    AllIAm wrote:
    so why have we not discussed the fact that this trial took place in LA and not wherever the crime took place. usually you hold trials that are not federal crimes in the state it happened.

    Good catch. I was also wondering why Jack would have testified before Kate's mother. In criminal cases, the prosecution presents their case first.

    But, I'd rather a couple of court mistakes than for the show to turn into Lost and Order or CSI, The Island. ;)
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    nfanel wrote:
    i think she's trying to get as far away from all-things-island as possible.

    Agreed! Well said!
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