Oh and as I stated to a couple friends about last night's episode:
I *REFUSE* to see Ben as anything other than a complete machiavellian character. He's horrible.
i am undecided about him. just when i started to pity him over alex, he had that manipulative smirk when he was walking away from sayid and threatened to go after penny. :mad:
you hid from the smoke monster? you are adorable.
and by the way... i didn't get that ending with charlie and benry. so penny is currently hiding? why? and is she hiding WITH desmond? that'd be nice to know. i hope he doesn't die b/c of the time travel. hopefully his 'constant' will help prevent that.
i am undecided about him. just when i started to pity him over alex, he had that manipulative smirk when he was walking away from sayid and threatened to go after penny. :mad:
you hid from the smoke monster? you are adorable.
and by the way... i didn't get that ending with charlie and benry. so penny is currently hiding? why? and is she hiding WITH desmond? that'd be nice to know. i hope he doesn't die b/c of the time travel. hopefully his 'constant' will help prevent that.
Yeah, I wondered about that too! And, remember back at the end of Season 1 (I think it was?) when the dudes in Antartica (?) called Penny to report that they found Desmond?? Does that still play a role? Who were they?
And, yes I did hide from the smoke monster. I hate that freaking thing. It's like a scary, smokey giant worm.
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yes he is, and that's why he's so compelling. ESPECIALLY after last night's episode.
Are viewers supposed to start feeling sympathy for him??? Or at least understand him??
Also, I hate to say it but it was dumb that Sawyer avoided getting shot...apparently those attackers are ex-military and were damn good shots, as was proven with the red coats.
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i am undecided about him. just when i started to pity him over alex, he had that manipulative smirk when he was walking away from sayid and threatened to go after penny. :mad:
He's proven over and over again that he's evil, manipulative, and just downright dirty (and not in a good way). His own daughter warned people about him.
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Oh and as I stated to a couple friends about last night's episode:
I *REFUSE* to see Ben as anything other than a complete machiavellian character. He's horrible.
I still don't think of Ben as the total bad guy. He's just the guy who was in total control of the situation until they shot Alex. I think that may have been one of if not the first real emotional moments for Ben and not just something that was part of a bigger plan. I just want to know what the heck turned him from a quiet kid into the mind controlling person he is now.
Btw, I just imdb'd him. Did you know Michael Emerson is 53? I never would have guessed that.
I still don't think of Ben as the total bad guy. He's just the guy who was in total control of the situation until they shot Alex. I think that may have been one of if not the first real emotional moments for Ben and not just something that was part of a bigger plan. I just want to know what the heck turned him from a quiet kid into the mind controlling person he is now.
Btw, I just imdb'd him. Did you know Michael Emerson is 53? I never would have guessed that.
TPTB have stated that he is a "total bad guy". LOL! YOU'RE the one who told me that! LOL!
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Pretty good episode.
So...did Benry actually kill Nadia and convince Sayid that the Widmore henchman did it so Sayid would help him get to Widmore?
Why did Benry have to chech and be sure it was 2005 at the hotel in Tunisia?(another time travel issue related to the island)
Is Desmond gonna end up killing Benry to save Penny?
I do think Ben killed Nadia. Here's what I think is going to happen.
Ben, now completely trusting of and reliant on Sayid will enlist his help in trying to kill Penelope. Once Sayid relates Nadia's death to Charles Whitmore, he will likely agree to it, given the mental state he's in.
But I think he will come to his senses and realize that he is about to do to Desmond (who he's now bonding with on the ship) the exact thing that was done to him. He will remember his loathing and mistrust for Ben, figure out that he's been used this whole time, and off Benjamin Linus instead.
And the funeral that only Jack went to will be that of Benjamin Linus; slayed by Sayid. Booyah!
Also, I hate to say it but it was dumb that Sawyer avoided getting shot...apparently those attackers are ex-military and were damn good shots, as was proven with the red coats.
I totally agree with you on that one. I know they are trying to make Sawyer heroic, but that was a little over the top him living while returning fire and three red shirts being shot in what - like ten seconds.
I do think Ben killed Nadia. Here's what I think is going to happen.
Ben, now completely trusting of and reliant on Sayid will enlist his help in trying to kill Penelope. Once Sayid relates Nadia's death to Charles Whitmore, he will likely agree to it, given the mental state he's in.
But I think he will come to his senses and realize that he is about to do to Desmond (who he's now bonding with on the ship) the exact thing that was done to him. He will remember his loathing and mistrust for Ben, figure out that he's been used this whole time, and off Benjamin Linus instead.
And the funeral that only Jack went to will be that of Benjamin Linus; slayed by Sayid. Booyah!
I hope you're right. I just can't even imagine Sayid killing Des's girl.
Oh also, nfanel and I were talking about the similarity between Sayid's grief/anger and Aniken Skywalker.
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It was interesting to see that the smoke monster can be controlled, sort of, by whoever unleashes it. Or by Ben maybe.
I was wondering about this....it seems that Ben controls the smoke monster. He seemed utterly unperturbed as he walked straight towards it to say goodbye to Alex. Even when the soldier was running toward him, he showed no concern when it reached out and grabbed him. This leads me to wonder if he initiated the smoke monster attacks on the beach folk all through the first season (maybe to keep them dogged and tired while he was picking them off and plotting to steal Claire )
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... or how a picnic table provided protection against the bullets.
Well said! I thought that was totally lame.
Also, I am a bit confused and need some clarification. Didn't about half the "losties" go with Locke???? 3 were killed, right? (or are we assuming more were??)
After they ended up fleeing the only ones who remained were Locke, Sawyer, Hurley, Claire, Aaron, Miles and Ben. Now, what happened to the rest? Were they just left for dead??? We didn't see a ton of bodies laying around? I don't get it.
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Sayid will not kill Penelope. It will only make him realize he must kill Ben.
I don't think so. Remember a couple episodes ago...Sayid becomes a "hitman" for Ben. In last night's episode, after killing Baldy, Sayid asks Ben, "Who's next?" So, in essence that's when Sayid begins working for Ben. (Right???)
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I was wondering about this....it seems that Ben controls the smoke monster. He seemed utterly unperturbed as he walked straight towards it to say goodbye to Alex. Even when the soldier was running toward him, he showed no concern when it reached out and grabbed him. This leads me to wonder if he initiated the smoke monster attacks on the beach folk all through the first season (maybe to keep them dogged and tired while he was picking them off and plotting to steal Claire )
Woah...really smart thinking Lukin! That hadn't even occured to me!!!!!! Has Ben been behind (woah, now that's an alliteration) Smokey the whole time?? Then again, Ben has wanted to keep Locke alive since he's "On the list" so he wouldn't have sent Smokey after Locke, right?
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Ahh..but is she officially dead?
She took one shot to the abdomen, potentially missing major organs...she could well resurface.
I was just going by what Alex said last night before she died.
Of course she could still be alive, I mean Locke has survived a shot in the gut as well.
My guess is Rousseau is nearly dead sort of how Naomi was nearly dead and somehow is involved in the rest of the season.
Also, AC according to lostpedia - only 4 red shirts joined Team Locke and three are now presumed dead. The only red shirt left is Steve. But who knows where he is now.
I don't think so. Remember a couple episodes ago...Sayid becomes a "hitman" for Ben. In last night's episode, after killing Baldy, Sayid asks Ben, "Who's next?" So, in essence that's when Sayid begins working for Ben. (Right???)
Yeah this was the beginning of Sayid's employment in the Benry Gale Linus Van Pelt hitman company.
I don't think so. Remember a couple episodes ago...Sayid becomes a "hitman" for Ben. In last night's episode, after killing Baldy, Sayid asks Ben, "Who's next?" So, in essence that's when Sayid begins working for Ben. (Right???)
Yep, that's when I thought Sayid and Ben's unlikely partnership began as well.
Woah...really smart thinking Luckin! That hadn't even occured to me!!!!!! Has Ben been behind (woah, now that's an alliteration) Smokey the whole time?? Then again, Ben has wanted to keep Locke alive since he's "On the list" so he wouldn't have sent Smokey after Locke, right?
The smoke monster didn't harm Locke, I think he may have sent it after him to inspire Locke's belief about the supernatural powers of the Island and ultimately cause the divide between the beach survivors (also, a very nifty way to deliver Locke into his hands)
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Woah...really smart thinking Luckin! That hadn't even occured to me!!!!!! Has Ben been behind (woah, now that's an alliteration) Smokey the whole time?? Then again, Ben has wanted to keep Locke alive since he's "On the list" so he wouldn't have sent Smokey after Locke, right?
i was wondering that, too. guess it wasn't you i said it to...lol. so that means ben killed eko, too? smokey is weird.
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I *REFUSE* to see Ben as anything other than a complete machiavellian character. He's horrible.
gets to me every time
you hid from the smoke monster? you are adorable.
and by the way... i didn't get that ending with charlie and benry. so penny is currently hiding? why? and is she hiding WITH desmond? that'd be nice to know. i hope he doesn't die b/c of the time travel. hopefully his 'constant' will help prevent that.
Yeah, I wondered about that too! And, remember back at the end of Season 1 (I think it was?) when the dudes in Antartica (?) called Penny to report that they found Desmond?? Does that still play a role? Who were they?
And, yes I did hide from the smoke monster. I hate that freaking thing. It's like a scary, smokey giant worm.
Are viewers supposed to start feeling sympathy for him??? Or at least understand him??
Also, I hate to say it but it was dumb that Sawyer avoided getting shot...apparently those attackers are ex-military and were damn good shots, as was proven with the red coats.
I still don't think of Ben as the total bad guy. He's just the guy who was in total control of the situation until they shot Alex. I think that may have been one of if not the first real emotional moments for Ben and not just something that was part of a bigger plan. I just want to know what the heck turned him from a quiet kid into the mind controlling person he is now.
Btw, I just imdb'd him. Did you know Michael Emerson is 53? I never would have guessed that.
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TPTB have stated that he is a "total bad guy". LOL! YOU'RE the one who told me that! LOL!
I do think Ben killed Nadia. Here's what I think is going to happen.
Ben, now completely trusting of and reliant on Sayid will enlist his help in trying to kill Penelope. Once Sayid relates Nadia's death to Charles Whitmore, he will likely agree to it, given the mental state he's in.
But I think he will come to his senses and realize that he is about to do to Desmond (who he's now bonding with on the ship) the exact thing that was done to him. He will remember his loathing and mistrust for Ben, figure out that he's been used this whole time, and off Benjamin Linus instead.
And the funeral that only Jack went to will be that of Benjamin Linus; slayed by Sayid. Booyah!
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I totally agree with you on that one. I know they are trying to make Sawyer heroic, but that was a little over the top him living while returning fire and three red shirts being shot in what - like ten seconds.
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I hope you're right. I just can't even imagine Sayid killing Des's girl.
Oh also, nfanel and I were talking about the similarity between Sayid's grief/anger and Aniken Skywalker.
BTW, the look on Ben's face when Alex was killed? Priceless. I am going to make it my wallpaper
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Well said! I thought that was totally lame.
Also, I am a bit confused and need some clarification. Didn't about half the "losties" go with Locke???? 3 were killed, right? (or are we assuming more were??)
After they ended up fleeing the only ones who remained were Locke, Sawyer, Hurley, Claire, Aaron, Miles and Ben. Now, what happened to the rest? Were they just left for dead??? We didn't see a ton of bodies laying around? I don't get it.
She took one shot to the abdomen, potentially missing major organs...she could well resurface.
I don't think so. Remember a couple episodes ago...Sayid becomes a "hitman" for Ben. In last night's episode, after killing Baldy, Sayid asks Ben, "Who's next?" So, in essence that's when Sayid begins working for Ben. (Right???)
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Good point, Poncier! I mean, the island has crazy healing properties.
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I was just going by what Alex said last night before she died.
Of course she could still be alive, I mean Locke has survived a shot in the gut as well.
My guess is Rousseau is nearly dead sort of how Naomi was nearly dead and somehow is involved in the rest of the season.
Also, AC according to lostpedia - only 4 red shirts joined Team Locke and three are now presumed dead. The only red shirt left is Steve. But who knows where he is now.
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LOL! Funny!!
Yep, that's when I thought Sayid and Ben's unlikely partnership began as well.
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pfft...you're right. Good thing I'm going to Philly in June...maybe I can actually learn some American history.
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