The Jena Six

Skitch Patterson wrote:

perhaps not, but if his facts are accurate (again, who knows whats accurate at this point)..

None of the witnesses to the fight connected the incidents.
The Nooses (neese?) were not brought up until AFTER the convictions.
A black US attorney said there was no connection at a town hall.


Those things, especially the 1st and 2nd point, give an indication that the nooses hanging from the tree did not play a role.

the kid that was beat up was never implicated in anyway to be connected with hanging the nooses.

the initial reports i read on this made no mention that the primary name out there- Bell- has a pretty long rap sheet for violent offenses.

The reports made a big deal about the all white jury... But if no black people showed up for their jury duty date (legitimate reasons or not) then what choice did the justice system have?

I'm not talking about jury selection or convictions or the whether the victim was connected to the hanging of the nooses.

I'm talking about, if those nooses were not hung would the victim in this case or any other white youth been attacked by the Jena Six anyway?

If the hanging of the nooses did not occur would the events still have escalated to the beating?

I'm basically speaking to the hanging of the nooses created as much anger from the black students as the whites who felt how dare those black youths sit under our tree. There was anger on both sides however the hanging of the nooses further created this anger and animosity between the two.

Eliminate the hanging of the nooses and the anger/animosity is gone. In the environment of predominately white school those black youths I believe are not going attack a white student any white for no reason, it didn't happen before in this school.

This is what I'm referring to the initial act. Still no excuse for the beating.

Peace

cornnifer wrote:

i'm sure other people are outraged by the nooses. i am. Everyone should be. i don't think when the media says things like that,they intend to imply that others aren't angered by the nooses, just to point out how the Black community is reacting. Yes, everyone should be outraged, and many, i'm sure, are. Its completely fair to say, however, given their history in this nation, that Blacks will undoubtedly have a much deeper, personal, and emotional reaction to nooses hanging from a tree in reaction to Black student simply sitting there. Its also fair to say that, whereas whites, for example, can and should be angered by them, its impossible for them to have the SAME kind of emotional reaction.

Well I think that the choice of words (or omission) by the media really hurts the situation. They should just say PEOPLE are outraged.

g under p wrote:

I'm not talking about jury selection or convictions or the whether the victim was connected to the hanging of the nooses.

I'm talking about, if those nooses were not hung would the victim in this case or any other white youth been attacked by the Jena Six anyway?

If the hanging of the nooses did not occur would the events still have escalated to the beating?

I'm basically speaking to the hanging of the nooses created as much anger from the black students as the whites who felt how dare those black youths sit under our tree. There was anger on both sides however the hanging of the nooses further created this anger and animosity between the two.

Eliminate the hanging of the nooses and the anger/animosity is gone. In the environment of predominately white school those black youths I believe are not going attack a white student any white for no reason, it didn't happen before in this school.

This is what I'm referring to the initial act. Still no excuse for the beating.

Peace

There is absolutely no way of ever knowing...

All I can say is... If they believed the Nooses were at all any part of what happened, i think they would have brought it up from the get go.

just my opinion.

Lets go cut all the trees down!

answers are fatal wrote:

ok i think the white kids should have deffinatly had more then a suspention and it was beyond ignorant what they did. but seriously attempted murder calls for jail time, and if the african american race in this country doesnt realize this, then their is something wrong. i honestly don't think it should have gone this far . . . especially with the rallys.

I don't think it originally was protested because they were arrested. I think originally, the people of Jena protested because it was an attempted murder charge. That then boiled over into wanting them completely free and cleared of wrong doing.

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

I don't think it originally was protested because they were arrested. I think originally, the people of Jena protested because it was an attempted murder charge. That then boiled over into wanting them completely free and cleared of wrong doing.

Right there is the underlaying problem. Whenever a crime hits the national media like this, the black community backed by its leaders wants complete absolution. That makes their real points go unheard.

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

the kid with the heaviest charges already has like 6 other previous charges for assault and battery before this ever happened....so let him go until he finally really kills someone. it's guaranteed! then everyone can blame the judicial system for letting him go and it won't be a racial issue anymore.

Oh really are you now a prophet? I'm not saying he and the others are not guilty of a crime it's just that in this case the DA R. Walters had an agenda. It appears he was going to show them a lesson by charging them as an adult rather than charging them in juvenile court.

Charge them as adults so that they could be given the maximum jail sentence. Again I'm not advocating they should be set free here, just an injustice in the way these charges were set forth in charging them as adults.

Peace

i just don't understand racism AT ALL. tis all just mind boggling to me.

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

same here...if i was black and seen the nooses hanging from the tree i would have went and did some chin ups with them and then took 'em down and wore it as a belt the rest of the day. i would have frustrated the hell out of those honkies without saying a word or causing any physical damage.

if you were black...? i don't know. tis easy to say such a thing. personally i would have been furious. just as a person i'm horrified.

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

well thats the goal of a racist to provoke and antagonize,. when they fail at it by getting no reaction then you usually win and things die down after awhile. i was always harassed by blacks growing up and i would laugh and joke about it never getting angry. they called me everything and i would piss them off and say ohh thank you i love being called cracker, honkie or whatever they called me and it always worked. of course if i was physically touched i'd react accordingly but rarely did that happen. this is 2007 blacks need to learn how to let the past go and move on and not be bothered by stupidity. with no reactions then there'd be no goal for the racist to attain. words and trinkets that symbolize something from a past era can do no physical harm. nigger is just a stupid slang word and a noose is just a piece of rope.

.....and a swastika is nothing to a jew. you can't ignore intent. people need to learn not to be so ignorant.