It's easy to call Americans stupid...

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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    soulsinging wrote:
    until they are all shipped overseas becos unions feel no one should ever be fired regardless of how incompetent they are... and they are incompetent becos american schools teach them they dont have to try and that whatever they do is ok as long as they keep their self-esteem up.

    Truer words have never been spoken.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    newagehippie wrote:
    There in lies the problem. Schools and Universities no longer teach knowledge, they teach you how to make as much money as possible, how to survive in a dog-eat-dog world. True knowledge, the life teachings, and love are almost non-existant.....but hey, I have a new flat screen....:rolleyes:

    After I spent so damn much money to go to a school who in turn wasted that money on a whole lot of crap, they had better teach how to recover from that massive debt that I am in because of their fees.
  • CorporateWhore
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    newagehippie wrote:
    There in lies the problem. Schools and Universities no longer teach knowledge, they teach you how to make as much money as possible, how to survive in a dog-eat-dog world. True knowledge, the life teachings, and love are almost non-existant.....but hey, I have a new flat screen....:rolleyes:

    Can't there be room for both? If rich people weren't taxed so much, maybe they could invest in the intellectual culture of america, like during the Renaissance when wealthy families paid artists for their services.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    The point is when we're taught to focus on objects, and objectively throughout our lives, we lose sight of the "I" domains of life--ie: the subjective value of truth, love and beauty. In order to have the balance of an inner view with the outer view, we have to also learn to be quiet, and alone, and appreciate that which does not cost money. Sure we can have both, but the focus in the western world on the objective world of objects is flagrantly imbalanced.
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  • CorporateWhore
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    angelica wrote:
    the focus in the western world on the objective world of objects is flagrantly imbalanced.

    It could be what is contributing to our downfall.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    It could be what is contributing to our downfall.
    Competely and 100% yes.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Kann wrote:
    It did make sense.

    No it didn't. That's the whole reason jobs end up getting sent overseas. "Only" if you're Backham infers that everone else isn't getting paid more than they would be elsewhere.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    jeffbr wrote:
    No it didn't. That's the whole reason jobs end up getting sent overseas. "Only" if you're Backham infers that everone else isn't getting paid more than they would be elsewhere.


    Just a joke about Beckham being overpaid, guy.
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    jeffbr wrote:
    No it didn't. That's the whole reason jobs end up getting sent overseas. "Only" if you're Backham infers that everone else isn't getting paid more than they would be elsewhere.
    well no, 'everyone' isn't. What IS the minimum wage over there? :cool:
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  • Kann
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    jeffbr wrote:
    No it didn't. That's the whole reason jobs end up getting sent overseas. "Only" if you're Backham infers that everone else isn't getting paid more than they would be elsewhere.

    And what would be so surprising about that?
  • aoife
    aoife Posts: 126
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea but, an A in the U.S. is equivelant to a C anywhere else :p
    :D
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  • mookie blaylock 10
    mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Can't there be room for both? If rich people weren't taxed so much, maybe they could invest in the intellectual culture of america, like during the Renaissance when wealthy families paid artists for their services.

    haha :D that's a good one for a laugh. :D those poor rich people...they could solve all the world's problems if they weren't taxed so much...darn it all! why won't someone give the rich a chance! :rolleyes:
  • angelica
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    mookie blaylock 10 wrote:
    haha :D that's a good one for a laugh. :D those poor rich people...they could solve all the world's problems if they weren't taxed so much...darn it all! why won't someone give the rich a chance! :rolleyes:
    :)
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  • mookie blaylock 10
    mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    This is because Americans could give a shit what other countries think.

    CorporateWhore wrote:
    But a job in America is worth more money than anywhere else.
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    A large problem is the vast number of poor people who are not being educated. Their numbers are growing through immigration from the third world and the welfare state.


    why would anyone think it's easy to call some americans stupid? :rolleyes:
  • evenkat
    evenkat Posts: 380
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Can't there be room for both? If rich people weren't taxed so much, maybe they could invest in the intellectual culture of america, like during the Renaissance when wealthy families paid artists for their services.

    That was tried already but it didn't work. It was called trickle down economics aka Reagan-economics, which Bush 1 called voodoo economics when he ran for President. The rich got richer and did nothing more to help the less fortunate while Reagan ran up the deficit with his borrow and spend method...this is exactly what Bush 2 is doing right now. Bottom line is, it's greed. If we didn't have it there would be no poverty at least here in the US. If the rich were willing to help those less fortunate then they wouldn't be complaining so much about paying their taxes which pays for social programs that help the less fortunate.
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  • evenkat
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    Heineken Helen wrote:
    well no, 'everyone' isn't. What IS the minimum wage over there? :cool:

    The minimum wage varies from state to state and is actually very complicated as the cost of living varies as well in the different cities and states. There are federal laws and state laws. I think federal law has the minimum wage set at $5.15 per hour but New York State just increased it's minimum wage to $7.15 per hour but even Mc'd's pays more than that. I don't know how anyone could live on $7.15 per hour. Where I live usually only the high school kids get paid minimum wage.

    http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm
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  • catefrances
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    it's just that there is so many of them and they're so loud.

    americans are brought up with an incredible belief in themselves and their country. that is a good thing but it can also be detrimental when one lives an insular life and believes what they are told purely because they don't think they have reason NOT to believe. i think it comes from the way in which the country was founded. now speaking from an australian perspective, we have never taken our government all too seriuosly and we are not so quick to believe what we are told. this stems from the way in which our country was founded. as a penal colony where many of the convicts were political prisoners of varying kind but mostly fenians or merely irish catholics, we knew we were behind the 8 ball from the get go. the government was never trusted and gave no reason for certain sections of the community to trust them. and that continues to this day.
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  • Heineken Helen
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    evenkat wrote:
    The minimum wage varies from state to state and is actually very complicated as the cost of living varies as well in the different cities and states. There are federal laws and state laws. I think federal law has the minimum wage set at $5.15 per hour but New York State just increased it's minimum wage to $7.15 per hour but even Mc'd's pays more than that. I don't know how anyone could live on $7.15 per hour. Where I live usually only the high school kids get paid minimum wage.

    http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm
    Woah, well our minimum wage is 8.30euro per hour which I've just converted to dollars, is $10.72. It's pretty much only kids who get that too.
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  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    catefrances wrote:
    it's just that there is so many of them and they're so loud.

    americans are brought up with an incredible belief in themselves and their country. that is a good thing but it can also be detrimental when one lives an insular life and believes what they are told purely because they don't think they have reason NOT to believe. i think it comes from the way in which the country was founded. now speaking from an australian perspective, we have never taken our government all too seriuosly and we are not so quick to believe what we are told. this stems from the way in which our country was founded. as a penal colony where many of the convicts were political prisoners of varying kind but mostly fenians or merely irish catholics, we knew we were behind the 8 ball from the get go. the government was never trusted and gave no reason for certain sections of the community to trust them. and that continues to this day.

    As someone who was born and raised in the U.S., I can tell you that your views aren't correct - or at least that's my opinion.

    Sure, in the 1950's kids were brainwashed and all gun ho on America - but nothing could be further from the truth now. We aren't the sheep everybody thinks we are.... look at the dissent towards our president and his war. His approval rating is hovering in the 20's.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Kann wrote:
    And what would be so surprising about that?

    The fact that we have so many people coming to this country for jobs, not leaving this country in search of jobs elsewhere.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08

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