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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    I haven't been this excited about a candidate since I started voting.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    mammasan wrote:
    I haven't been this excited about a candidate since I started voting.

    Nice! I voted for him in his Presidential bid in 1988 as the Libertarian candidate. I'm excited to be able to do so again 20 years later.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    As an FYI...Ron Paul will be participating in the 5/15 Republican debate in South Carolina. The debate airs on Fox News at 9pm. Here's hoping that Ron gets a bit more attention from the moderators after his strong showing in last week's debate.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Here's a montage of Ron's statements at the debate, if you'd rather see it than read it in the transcript at the beginning of this thread:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Hfa7vT02lA


    Thanks for that.

    I just watched it. And this is the first time I've seen R. Paul in this sort of forum. He comes across as a bit flighty. I don't think most people watching him in this are seeing the strong line constitutional factor in this, and I don't get the feeling that R. Paul himself knows what he's getting himself into. Then again, this is a first debate.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Thanks for that.

    I just watched it. And this is the first time I've seen R. Paul in this sort of forum. He comes across as a bit flighty. I don't think most people watching him in this are seeing the strong line constitutional factor in this, and I don't get the feeling that R. Paul himself knows what he's getting himself into. Then again, this is a first debate.

    That said, if R. Paul can come up with a speech that makes an emotional connection.... You know? He doesn't have that going for him. He could if he tried.
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    I've been a fan of Ron Paul's for a long time. Every year he introduces a bill like this:

    H.R. 1096: Second Amendment Protection Act of 2007

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1096
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    69charger wrote:
    I've been a fan of Ron Paul's for a long time. Every year he introduces a bill like this:

    H.R. 1096: Second Amendment Protection Act of 2007

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1096

    If he has a chance at all he's going to have to succumb to the pressure of being liked. Ford could have won the '76 election. Think of it. If only he had had a speech or two....
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    gue_barium wrote:
    I don't get the feeling that R. Paul himself knows what he's getting himself into.

    What gives you that feeling? I don't sense that, but maybe I'm not looking closely enough.

    This certainly isn't his first run for president. I think he knows exactly what he's getting into, and this time he's got a pretty good platform as a major-party candidate. I'm hoping he'll pull a Lieberman and when he's run his course as a Republican (after the exposure of debates and primaries), he'll finish the run as a Libertarian.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jeffbr wrote:
    What gives you that feeling? I don't sense that, but maybe I'm not looking closely enough.

    This certainly isn't his first run for president. I think he knows exactly what he's getting into, and this time he's got a pretty good platform as a major-party candidate. I'm hoping he'll pull a Lieberman and when he's run his course as a Republican (after the exposure of debates and primaries), he'll finish the run as a Libertarian.

    He didn't/hasn't commited a 'personality' to the fray. Not in that he doesn't, and the more that I think about it, if he could...if he could somehow connect to that mainstream vibe, and I think he could if he tried...


    i'm dreamin.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    gue_barium wrote:
    He didn't/hasn't commited a 'personality' to the fray. Not in that he doesn't, and the more that I think about it, if he could...if he could somehow connect to that mainstream vibe, and I think he could if he tried...


    i'm dreamin.

    Dreaming is good! Hopefully he will connect to that vibe and create a nice grassroots movement.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jeffbr wrote:
    Dreaming is good! Hopefully he will connect to that vibe and create a nice grassroots movement.

    It could happen...lol...I guess.

    I could write speeches for this guy, it's ironic, and weird and sad, and all these things at once.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    THIS IS FROM AN EMAIL THREAD I SUBSCRIBE TO......

    "Ron Paul fans should be aware that ABC news had at first mysteriously
    left him off their post debate poll. Then, when pro-Paul people cried
    censorship their comments were erased from the ABC site.

    Someone posted the cell number of an ABC Sr. VP in the comments
    section and things got fixed. -- The LP should should save this
    contact info for future reference: Jeffrey Schneider Sr VP - Media
    Relations: xxx-xxx-xxxxx wk xxx-xxx-xxxx (cell). I think someone
    pointed out to ABC one of Ron Paul's better comments in the debate:

    "I trust the internet more than mainstream media."

    Chalk another one up for the Netitzens.
    Check it out:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comments?type=story&id=3133938

    Even with the delay, Paul is crushing in the rest of the pack in the
    ABC poll. Supporters and campaign staff of the other candidates must
    be too old to understand the Internet.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BeSeenBeHeard/popup?id=3135373
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Conversation with Ron Paul in New Hampshire:

    http://www.ketv.com/politics/13212896/detail.html
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    FFG thanks for posting all this info.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Paul has run for president on the Libertarian ticket in the past. The problem is that when runs on that ticket, one has to resign oneself to defeat immediately. You get no exposure, and you don't get to participate in forums like last night's. I think Mr. Paul wants to run as a Republican here in order to try to influence the party and bring it back towards its Libertarian roots.

    the modern republican party never had libertarian roots. it was born in the 70s as the "great silent, moral majority" of nixon. it's core is being more about god-fearing americans than the pagan dems. it's never been a truly libertarian ideal, just like the dems have never been a truly liberal alternative.

    that said, id be quite happy if this guy gets the nomination, even if i take strong issue with some of his stances. ideologically, im much closer to him than anyone else in the field.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    69charger wrote:
    I've been a fan of Ron Paul's for a long time. Every year he introduces a bill like this:

    H.R. 1096: Second Amendment Protection Act of 2007

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1096

    yeah, cos that's the most pressing concern our country faces :rolleyes:

    war, poverty, etc... no need to bother with them. it's making sure we've got our guns... cos a gun in the hands of a starving, desperate poor person is never a bad idea.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    soulsinging wrote:
    the modern republican party never had libertarian roots. it was born in the 70s as the "great silent, moral majority" of nixon. it's core is being more about god-fearing americans than the pagan dems.

    If you want to say the modern republican party has no Liberatrian roots, I'll agree with you. The Republican Party as a whole, however, does have significant (but certainly not completely) Libertarian roots. The Republican party was born as an anti-slave, anti-corruption, anti-federalization party. Now, obviously they have violated that numerous times in their history, particularly in the present, but you cannot pretend that the Republican party was born to be the socialist/religious mafioso they've become.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    soulsinging wrote:
    yeah, cos that's the most pressing concern our country faces :rolleyes:

    war, poverty, etc... no need to bother with them. it's making sure we've got our guns... cos a gun in the hands of a starving, desperate poor person is never a bad idea.

    See, here's the thing soulsinging: Ron Paul doesn't believe that every "pressing concern" our country faces is relevant to governance. If you believe every problem you can identify has a governmental implication, you really don't need to do any further research on Ron Paul -- he is not the candidate for you.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    farfromglorified wrote:
    If you want to say the modern republican party has no Liberatrian roots, I'll agree with you. The Republic Party as a whole, however, does have significant (but certainly not completely) Libertarian roots. The Republican party was born as an anti-slave, anti-corruption, anti-federalization party. Now, obviously they have violated that numerous times in their history, particularly in the present, but you cannot pretend that the Republican party was born to be the socialist/religious mafioso they've become.

    i just think it's a bit misleading to call it a return to their roots. a shift to a new ideology is more appropriate. the parties are so vastly different from their initial forms (the dems as the racist party of the solid south?) that it's a joke to say that is the meaning of the party.

    the parties aren't born to be anything. they are always reactive to the needs of the times. now if ron paul can get the nomination and shift the republican party away from those christian nutcases, i might have to switch parties.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    farfromglorified wrote:
    See, here's the thing soulsinging: Ron Paul doesn't believe that every "pressing concern" our country faces is relevant to governance. If you believe every problem you can identify has a governmental implication, you really don't need to do any further research on Ron Paul -- he is not the candidate for you.

    i was just trying to say being a one-issue voter is stupid... be it for abortion or for your guns.

    im quite sure ron paul is the best candidate for me, though far from perfect.

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