ARLINGTON, VA – Congressman Ron Paul finished first in the MSNBC poll following the GOP primary debate last night held at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California. Dr. Paul received 43 percent, beating the second-place finisher by five points, and crushing the rest of the field.
“Last night, Americans met Ron Paul and loved what they heard,” said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. “Dr. Paul’s message of freedom and limited government resonates with Republicans hungry for a return to their party’s core values.”
“Ron Paul is the only true conservative in the GOP race. Americans saw that last night,” continued Snyder. “The campaign looks forward to further debates and opportunities so even more Americans will discover Dr. Paul’s message of freedom, peace and prosperity.”
His Bill Maher interview is especially interesting. He has some interesting ideas to say the least. I'd love to talk with him about our current VA system. He mentions it briefly and I agree & disagree with him to a point.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
His Bill Maher interview is especially interesting. He has some interesting ideas to say the least. I'd love to talk with him about our current VA system. He mentions it briefly and I agree & disagree with him to a point.
Maher's questions, despite his role as devil's advocate, are kind of ridiculous.
You mean you're not for the FAA...I mean, without the FAA wouldn't planes just crash into each other???????
So you were against the civil war....that must mean you are pro-slavery huh??????
What specifically on the VA system did you take issue with?
What specifically on the VA system did you take issue with?
I am very familiar with the VA system and one thing I have learned is they are all not equal. The VA has many problems (whole different thread), but they have also implemented innovative processes that private hospitals have adopted. Because it is a government institution, there is a lot of 'red tape' that I feel impedes care. I believe changes need to occur. However, the medical professionals employed by the VA are top notch, at least at the one here. I felt that he insinuated differently. The VA in my area has actually attracted talent due to the fact that they pay more than the private hospitals (plus the superior benefits). The problem is not with the professionals, but with the bureaucratic system.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I am very familiar with the VA system and one thing I have learned is they are all not equal. The VA has many problems (whole different thread), but they have also implemented innovative processes that private hospitals have adopted. Because it is a government institution, there is a lot of 'red tape' that I feel impedes care. I believe changes need to occur. However, the medical professionals employed by the VA are top notch, at least at the one here. I felt that he insinuated differently. The VA in my area has actually attracted talent due to the fact that they pay more than the private hospitals (plus the superior benefits). The problem is not with the professionals, but with the bureaucratic system.
Well, I suspect Mr Paul would agree with you. He's not impugning the doctors and staff who work there (he once worked at VA hospital himself), but rather the bureaucratic system that forces Veterans into a government-monopolized health system.
I am very familiar with the VA system and one thing I have learned is they are all not equal. The VA has many problems (whole different thread), but they have also implemented innovative processes that private hospitals have adopted. Because it is a government institution, there is a lot of 'red tape' that I feel impedes care. I believe changes need to occur. However, the medical professionals employed by the VA are top notch, at least at the one here. I felt that he insinuated differently. The VA in my area has actually attracted talent due to the fact that they pay more than the private hospitals (plus the superior benefits). The problem is not with the professionals, but with the bureaucratic system.
pretty much sums up our government................
"The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence."
"Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense."
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
"Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism."
"Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms."
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads."
Thanks for starting this thread FFG. I think Paul gave his campaign a huge boost last night. I believe that the public is ready to entertain a candidate like Ron Paul. People are so fed up with the way the bureuocrats have been ruining our country. I have already sent in my information to his campaign to contact me if they need volunteers in New Jersey.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
As an FYI...Ron Paul will be participating in the 5/15 Republican debate in South Carolina. The debate airs on Fox News at 9pm. Here's hoping that Ron gets a bit more attention from the moderators after his strong showing in last week's debate.
I just watched it. And this is the first time I've seen R. Paul in this sort of forum. He comes across as a bit flighty. I don't think most people watching him in this are seeing the strong line constitutional factor in this, and I don't get the feeling that R. Paul himself knows what he's getting himself into. Then again, this is a first debate.
I just watched it. And this is the first time I've seen R. Paul in this sort of forum. He comes across as a bit flighty. I don't think most people watching him in this are seeing the strong line constitutional factor in this, and I don't get the feeling that R. Paul himself knows what he's getting himself into. Then again, this is a first debate.
That said, if R. Paul can come up with a speech that makes an emotional connection.... You know? He doesn't have that going for him. He could if he tried.
If he has a chance at all he's going to have to succumb to the pressure of being liked. Ford could have won the '76 election. Think of it. If only he had had a speech or two....
I don't get the feeling that R. Paul himself knows what he's getting himself into.
What gives you that feeling? I don't sense that, but maybe I'm not looking closely enough.
This certainly isn't his first run for president. I think he knows exactly what he's getting into, and this time he's got a pretty good platform as a major-party candidate. I'm hoping he'll pull a Lieberman and when he's run his course as a Republican (after the exposure of debates and primaries), he'll finish the run as a Libertarian.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
What gives you that feeling? I don't sense that, but maybe I'm not looking closely enough.
This certainly isn't his first run for president. I think he knows exactly what he's getting into, and this time he's got a pretty good platform as a major-party candidate. I'm hoping he'll pull a Lieberman and when he's run his course as a Republican (after the exposure of debates and primaries), he'll finish the run as a Libertarian.
He didn't/hasn't commited a 'personality' to the fray. Not in that he doesn't, and the more that I think about it, if he could...if he could somehow connect to that mainstream vibe, and I think he could if he tried...
He didn't/hasn't commited a 'personality' to the fray. Not in that he doesn't, and the more that I think about it, if he could...if he could somehow connect to that mainstream vibe, and I think he could if he tried...
i'm dreamin.
Dreaming is good! Hopefully he will connect to that vibe and create a nice grassroots movement.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
"Ron Paul fans should be aware that ABC news had at first mysteriously
left him off their post debate poll. Then, when pro-Paul people cried
censorship their comments were erased from the ABC site.
Someone posted the cell number of an ABC Sr. VP in the comments
section and things got fixed. -- The LP should should save this
contact info for future reference: Jeffrey Schneider Sr VP - Media
Relations: xxx-xxx-xxxxx wk xxx-xxx-xxxx (cell). I think someone
pointed out to ABC one of Ron Paul's better comments in the debate:
"I trust the internet more than mainstream media."
Chalk another one up for the Netitzens.
Check it out:
Even with the delay, Paul is crushing in the rest of the pack in the
ABC poll. Supporters and campaign staff of the other candidates must
be too old to understand the Internet.
Paul has run for president on the Libertarian ticket in the past. The problem is that when runs on that ticket, one has to resign oneself to defeat immediately. You get no exposure, and you don't get to participate in forums like last night's. I think Mr. Paul wants to run as a Republican here in order to try to influence the party and bring it back towards its Libertarian roots.
the modern republican party never had libertarian roots. it was born in the 70s as the "great silent, moral majority" of nixon. it's core is being more about god-fearing americans than the pagan dems. it's never been a truly libertarian ideal, just like the dems have never been a truly liberal alternative.
that said, id be quite happy if this guy gets the nomination, even if i take strong issue with some of his stances. ideologically, im much closer to him than anyone else in the field.
yeah, cos that's the most pressing concern our country faces :rolleyes:
war, poverty, etc... no need to bother with them. it's making sure we've got our guns... cos a gun in the hands of a starving, desperate poor person is never a bad idea.
the modern republican party never had libertarian roots. it was born in the 70s as the "great silent, moral majority" of nixon. it's core is being more about god-fearing americans than the pagan dems.
If you want to say the modern republican party has no Liberatrian roots, I'll agree with you. The Republican Party as a whole, however, does have significant (but certainly not completely) Libertarian roots. The Republican party was born as an anti-slave, anti-corruption, anti-federalization party. Now, obviously they have violated that numerous times in their history, particularly in the present, but you cannot pretend that the Republican party was born to be the socialist/religious mafioso they've become.
yeah, cos that's the most pressing concern our country faces :rolleyes:
war, poverty, etc... no need to bother with them. it's making sure we've got our guns... cos a gun in the hands of a starving, desperate poor person is never a bad idea.
See, here's the thing soulsinging: Ron Paul doesn't believe that every "pressing concern" our country faces is relevant to governance. If you believe every problem you can identify has a governmental implication, you really don't need to do any further research on Ron Paul -- he is not the candidate for you.
If you want to say the modern republican party has no Liberatrian roots, I'll agree with you. The Republic Party as a whole, however, does have significant (but certainly not completely) Libertarian roots. The Republican party was born as an anti-slave, anti-corruption, anti-federalization party. Now, obviously they have violated that numerous times in their history, particularly in the present, but you cannot pretend that the Republican party was born to be the socialist/religious mafioso they've become.
i just think it's a bit misleading to call it a return to their roots. a shift to a new ideology is more appropriate. the parties are so vastly different from their initial forms (the dems as the racist party of the solid south?) that it's a joke to say that is the meaning of the party.
the parties aren't born to be anything. they are always reactive to the needs of the times. now if ron paul can get the nomination and shift the republican party away from those christian nutcases, i might have to switch parties.
See, here's the thing soulsinging: Ron Paul doesn't believe that every "pressing concern" our country faces is relevant to governance. If you believe every problem you can identify has a governmental implication, you really don't need to do any further research on Ron Paul -- he is not the candidate for you.
i was just trying to say being a one-issue voter is stupid... be it for abortion or for your guns.
im quite sure ron paul is the best candidate for me, though far from perfect.
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Ron Paul steps into national spotlight
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May 4, 2007
ARLINGTON, VA – Congressman Ron Paul finished first in the MSNBC poll following the GOP primary debate last night held at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California. Dr. Paul received 43 percent, beating the second-place finisher by five points, and crushing the rest of the field.
“Last night, Americans met Ron Paul and loved what they heard,” said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. “Dr. Paul’s message of freedom and limited government resonates with Republicans hungry for a return to their party’s core values.”
“Ron Paul is the only true conservative in the GOP race. Americans saw that last night,” continued Snyder. “The campaign looks forward to further debates and opportunities so even more Americans will discover Dr. Paul’s message of freedom, peace and prosperity.”
His Bill Maher interview is especially interesting. He has some interesting ideas to say the least. I'd love to talk with him about our current VA system. He mentions it briefly and I agree & disagree with him to a point.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Maher's questions, despite his role as devil's advocate, are kind of ridiculous.
You mean you're not for the FAA...I mean, without the FAA wouldn't planes just crash into each other???????
So you were against the civil war....that must mean you are pro-slavery huh??????
What specifically on the VA system did you take issue with?
I am very familiar with the VA system and one thing I have learned is they are all not equal. The VA has many problems (whole different thread), but they have also implemented innovative processes that private hospitals have adopted. Because it is a government institution, there is a lot of 'red tape' that I feel impedes care. I believe changes need to occur. However, the medical professionals employed by the VA are top notch, at least at the one here. I felt that he insinuated differently. The VA in my area has actually attracted talent due to the fact that they pay more than the private hospitals (plus the superior benefits). The problem is not with the professionals, but with the bureaucratic system.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Well, I suspect Mr Paul would agree with you. He's not impugning the doctors and staff who work there (he once worked at VA hospital himself), but rather the bureaucratic system that forces Veterans into a government-monopolized health system.
pretty much sums up our government................
"Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense."
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
"Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism."
"Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms."
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads."
--Ron Paul
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Hfa7vT02lA
Nice! I voted for him in his Presidential bid in 1988 as the Libertarian candidate. I'm excited to be able to do so again 20 years later.
Thanks for that.
I just watched it. And this is the first time I've seen R. Paul in this sort of forum. He comes across as a bit flighty. I don't think most people watching him in this are seeing the strong line constitutional factor in this, and I don't get the feeling that R. Paul himself knows what he's getting himself into. Then again, this is a first debate.
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That said, if R. Paul can come up with a speech that makes an emotional connection.... You know? He doesn't have that going for him. He could if he tried.
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If he has a chance at all he's going to have to succumb to the pressure of being liked. Ford could have won the '76 election. Think of it. If only he had had a speech or two....
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What gives you that feeling? I don't sense that, but maybe I'm not looking closely enough.
This certainly isn't his first run for president. I think he knows exactly what he's getting into, and this time he's got a pretty good platform as a major-party candidate. I'm hoping he'll pull a Lieberman and when he's run his course as a Republican (after the exposure of debates and primaries), he'll finish the run as a Libertarian.
He didn't/hasn't commited a 'personality' to the fray. Not in that he doesn't, and the more that I think about it, if he could...if he could somehow connect to that mainstream vibe, and I think he could if he tried...
i'm dreamin.
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Dreaming is good! Hopefully he will connect to that vibe and create a nice grassroots movement.
It could happen...lol...I guess.
I could write speeches for this guy, it's ironic, and weird and sad, and all these things at once.
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"Ron Paul fans should be aware that ABC news had at first mysteriously
left him off their post debate poll. Then, when pro-Paul people cried
censorship their comments were erased from the ABC site.
Someone posted the cell number of an ABC Sr. VP in the comments
section and things got fixed. -- The LP should should save this
contact info for future reference: Jeffrey Schneider Sr VP - Media
Relations: xxx-xxx-xxxxx wk xxx-xxx-xxxx (cell). I think someone
pointed out to ABC one of Ron Paul's better comments in the debate:
"I trust the internet more than mainstream media."
Chalk another one up for the Netitzens.
Check it out:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comments?type=story&id=3133938
Even with the delay, Paul is crushing in the rest of the pack in the
ABC poll. Supporters and campaign staff of the other candidates must
be too old to understand the Internet.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BeSeenBeHeard/popup?id=3135373
http://www.ketv.com/politics/13212896/detail.html
the modern republican party never had libertarian roots. it was born in the 70s as the "great silent, moral majority" of nixon. it's core is being more about god-fearing americans than the pagan dems. it's never been a truly libertarian ideal, just like the dems have never been a truly liberal alternative.
that said, id be quite happy if this guy gets the nomination, even if i take strong issue with some of his stances. ideologically, im much closer to him than anyone else in the field.
yeah, cos that's the most pressing concern our country faces :rolleyes:
war, poverty, etc... no need to bother with them. it's making sure we've got our guns... cos a gun in the hands of a starving, desperate poor person is never a bad idea.
If you want to say the modern republican party has no Liberatrian roots, I'll agree with you. The Republican Party as a whole, however, does have significant (but certainly not completely) Libertarian roots. The Republican party was born as an anti-slave, anti-corruption, anti-federalization party. Now, obviously they have violated that numerous times in their history, particularly in the present, but you cannot pretend that the Republican party was born to be the socialist/religious mafioso they've become.
See, here's the thing soulsinging: Ron Paul doesn't believe that every "pressing concern" our country faces is relevant to governance. If you believe every problem you can identify has a governmental implication, you really don't need to do any further research on Ron Paul -- he is not the candidate for you.
i just think it's a bit misleading to call it a return to their roots. a shift to a new ideology is more appropriate. the parties are so vastly different from their initial forms (the dems as the racist party of the solid south?) that it's a joke to say that is the meaning of the party.
the parties aren't born to be anything. they are always reactive to the needs of the times. now if ron paul can get the nomination and shift the republican party away from those christian nutcases, i might have to switch parties.
i was just trying to say being a one-issue voter is stupid... be it for abortion or for your guns.
im quite sure ron paul is the best candidate for me, though far from perfect.