Hehe...this is funny, but I actually disagree. Ron was asked some tough questions, but so were the other candidates. The questions were well-tailored to the candidates' individual perspectives.
Certainly the second-tierers got shafted on the # of questions, but the questions themsevles weren't terribly unfair, IMO.
Fair enough. It does seem to me that his responses were immediately twised by the moderators and accepted as Paul's. "So you're saying 9/11 was our fault?"
"All governments are murderers and liars."
-Bill Hicks
Fair enough. It does seem to me that his responses were immediately twised by the moderators and accepted as Paul's. "So you're saying 9/11 was our fault?"
Definitely. And Ron actually stumbled here. His response was fine, in principal, but he worded it incorrectly. He should have rejected Giuliani's statement that put the moderator's words in his mouth, and then chided Giuliani for being so stupid to believe that American foreign policy has nothing to do with world violence. He should have rejected the notion that America asked for 9/11, but embraced the idea that American foreign policy contributed to it.
Ron is winning polls because Ron is the only candidate in that field that a big group of people is excited about. The unfortunate fact is that, considering the entire population of this country, Ron appeals only to a very small number. Ron, in one of his less-controversial answers tonight, challenged America to reconsider their philosophy on government. The response, unfortunately, is going to be a resounding "no". The American people, for the most part, are and will continue to look to government for their property, for the right and force to oppress the minds of others, and for the force required to impose its will on the world, rather than for the freedoms and rights that make property, thought, and exchange possible.
I guess you are right but I can still dream that dream.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I guess you are right but I can still dream that dream.
Dreaming that dream, along with living that dream, are the only hope this nation has. So I'm definitely not telling you to drop the principles that were further validated tonight.
I know this is deviating from the thread topic, but i am so sick and tired of hearing candidates, political pundits from both parties always mention Iran, Iraq, and North Korea when discussing dangerious countries. What about Saudi Arabia? Here is a country that is the birth place of islamic militantism. The most fertile breeding ground for jihadist and it is run by a corrupt government that syphons millions of dollars to these groups in order to save their own necks and yet no one ever mentions them.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Dreaming that dream, along with living that dream, are the only hope this nation has. So I'm definitely not telling you to drop the principles that were further validated tonight.
Trust me I by no means am quiting. If anything Paul's words invigorated me. It was so GOD DAMN refreshing to finally see a politicians tell the truth.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Hannity is such a fucking goon. He had no responce what so ever to Paul's point that we have stood by plenty of times while a foreign ruler killed his people.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I recently replaced my "Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush" bumper sticker with "Paul 2008"...it won't make a difference, but I'll feel better. I think countries get the governments they deserve, and we don't deserve Rep. Paul.
"All governments are murderers and liars."
-Bill Hicks
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
It was pretty sickening this morning watching and hearing all the news programs twist Ron Paul's statement. One such comment that almost made me want to throw my TV out the window was that Paul had stated that America deserved 9/11 because of our foreign policy. i will admit that Ron worded his comment poorly but by no means did he make or imply that we deserved 9/11.
It's a damn shame that he is being demonized for stating the truth.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
ron paul knows the truth behind the neo-cons and thats why they are trying to smear him....this is a sad sad point in our country when the media controls the election process.....i think the key to this next election is us young adults...we have to elect ron paul...dont trust the democrats, they are nothing but the counterparts to the republicans...
The 9-11 Commission report detailed how bin Laden had, in 1996, issued "his self-styled fatwa calling on Muslims to drive American soldiers out of Saudi Arabia" and identified that declaration and another in 1998 as part of "a long series" of statements objecting to U.S. military interventions in his native Saudi Arabia in particular and the Middle East in general. Statements from bin Laden and those associated with him prior to 9-11 consistently expressed anger with the U.S. military presence on the Arabian Peninsula, U.S. aggression against the Iraqi people and U.S. support of Israel.
The 9-11 Commission based its assessments on testimony from experts on terrorism and the Middle East. Asked about the motivations of the terrorists, FBI Special Agent James Fitzgerald told the commission: "I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States. They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes, and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States."
Fitzgerald's was not a lonely voice in the intelligence community. Michael Scheuer, the former Central Intelligence Agency specialist on bin Laden and al-Qaeda, has objected to simplistic suggestions by President Bush and others that terrorists are motivated by an ill-defined irrational hatred of the United States. "The politicians really are at great fault for not squaring with the American people," Scheuer said in a CNN interview. "We're being attacked for what we do in the Islamic world, not for who we are or what we believe in or how we live. And there's a huge burden of guilt to be laid at Mr. Bush, Mr. Clinton, both parties for simply lying to the American people."
It is true that reasonable people might disagree about the legitimacy of Muslim and Arab objections to U.S. military policies. And, certainly, the vast majority of Americans would object to any attempt to justify the attacks on this country, its citizen and its soldiers.
But that was not what Paul was doing. He was trying to make a case, based on what we know from past experience, for bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq.
Giuliani's reaction to Paul's comments, especially the suggestion that they should be withdrawn, marked him as the candidate peddling "absurd explanations."
Viewers of the debate appear to have agreed. An unscientific survey by Fox News asked its viewers to send text messages identifying the winner. Tens of thousands were received and Paul ranked along with Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney as having made the best showing.
No wonder then that, when asked about his dust-up with Giuliani, Paul said he'd be "delighted" to debate the front-runner on foreign policy.
something also that is doable but near impossible?
any recent polls out?
sad to sad, but the media elects our presidents
I totally agree that our media elects our presidents. The fact that not one vote has been cast yet in the primaries and the media has already selected the winners, on either side.
As far as the IRS being disbanded, it is going to be a tough up hill struggle but proposals like the Fair Tax are gaining momentum.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
It's not impossible by any stretch. It's simply not going to happen based on the makeup of Congress and the political philosophies that drive this country.
It would take a supermajority in Congress to repeal the amendment. It would take a simple majority to just repeal or modify the taxes.
In the hypothetical case that Ron Paul were elected, significant tax reform certainly would be likely. But Ron's not going to get elected anyway.
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Fair enough. It does seem to me that his responses were immediately twised by the moderators and accepted as Paul's. "So you're saying 9/11 was our fault?"
-Bill Hicks
Definitely. And Ron actually stumbled here. His response was fine, in principal, but he worded it incorrectly. He should have rejected Giuliani's statement that put the moderator's words in his mouth, and then chided Giuliani for being so stupid to believe that American foreign policy has nothing to do with world violence. He should have rejected the notion that America asked for 9/11, but embraced the idea that American foreign policy contributed to it.
I guess you are right but I can still dream that dream.
Dreaming that dream, along with living that dream, are the only hope this nation has. So I'm definitely not telling you to drop the principles that were further validated tonight.
Trust me I by no means am quiting. If anything Paul's words invigorated me. It was so GOD DAMN refreshing to finally see a politicians tell the truth.
-Bill Hicks
He is your typical party line mouth piece. The guy probabaly can't come up with a thought of his own if it's not written on some talking points memo.
Me too. I so despise politics, and am just shocked everytime I feel proud when seeing a politician in action like Ron Paul.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/GOPII-Debate-Paul.wmv
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
It's a damn shame that he is being demonized for stating the truth.
I regestered as a Republican just so I can vote for him in the primaries.
The 9-11 Commission based its assessments on testimony from experts on terrorism and the Middle East. Asked about the motivations of the terrorists, FBI Special Agent James Fitzgerald told the commission: "I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States. They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes, and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States."
Fitzgerald's was not a lonely voice in the intelligence community. Michael Scheuer, the former Central Intelligence Agency specialist on bin Laden and al-Qaeda, has objected to simplistic suggestions by President Bush and others that terrorists are motivated by an ill-defined irrational hatred of the United States. "The politicians really are at great fault for not squaring with the American people," Scheuer said in a CNN interview. "We're being attacked for what we do in the Islamic world, not for who we are or what we believe in or how we live. And there's a huge burden of guilt to be laid at Mr. Bush, Mr. Clinton, both parties for simply lying to the American people."
It is true that reasonable people might disagree about the legitimacy of Muslim and Arab objections to U.S. military policies. And, certainly, the vast majority of Americans would object to any attempt to justify the attacks on this country, its citizen and its soldiers.
But that was not what Paul was doing. He was trying to make a case, based on what we know from past experience, for bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq.
Giuliani's reaction to Paul's comments, especially the suggestion that they should be withdrawn, marked him as the candidate peddling "absurd explanations."
Viewers of the debate appear to have agreed. An unscientific survey by Fox News asked its viewers to send text messages identifying the winner. Tens of thousands were received and Paul ranked along with Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney as having made the best showing.
No wonder then that, when asked about his dust-up with Giuliani, Paul said he'd be "delighted" to debate the front-runner on foreign policy.
He has stated that he would get rid of the IRS within his first week in office.
Ron Paul supports a complete repeal of the 16th Amendment. This would eliminate the federal income tax in America.
can this really happen? does he need congressional support for such a move?
Hehe...yes. Will it happen? No.
Very much so, yes.
which is nearly impossible I assume. 2/3 ?
something also that is doable but near impossible?
any recent polls out?
sad to sad, but the media elects our presidents
I don't think the 16th amendment will ever be repealed, but we can at least try to change our current method of taxation.
I totally agree that our media elects our presidents. The fact that not one vote has been cast yet in the primaries and the media has already selected the winners, on either side.
As far as the IRS being disbanded, it is going to be a tough up hill struggle but proposals like the Fair Tax are gaining momentum.
It's not impossible by any stretch. It's simply not going to happen based on the makeup of Congress and the political philosophies that drive this country.
It would take a supermajority in Congress to repeal the amendment. It would take a simple majority to just repeal or modify the taxes.
In the hypothetical case that Ron Paul were elected, significant tax reform certainly would be likely. But Ron's not going to get elected anyway.
by that do you mean stop ass raping our income, property (tax), and business profits? yea I'm with ya.
That is exactly what I mean.