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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    gue_barium wrote:
    I like how his stances are very clear. However, I know that if he were to assume the Presidency, the reality of compromise is something he would be dealing with in almost every issue he brings to the table.

    Most definitely. But reality also says he isn't going to assume the presidency ;)
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    gue_barium wrote:
    Oops. forgot this was the Ron Paul thread. Paul would probably defund the US bases being built.

    I am uncomfortable with just leaving this country in shambles to possibly invite a bigger threat than what was there before. I think we have some accountability here.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    baraka wrote:
    And I'm cool with that as long as the cuts are made AFTER the troops come home.

    Most certainly.
    I agree with 99% of what was said here, but for some reason, I don't think it is as easy as 'just marching out'. How long did it take for Vietnam to recover from our occupation/war there?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#South_Vietnam_stands_alone.2C_1974.E2.80.931975
    Again, this is NOT my forte at all, but is there some kind of 'reconstruction' plan, to somewhat clean up the mess we have made? I'm looking for ideas from these candidates, something along the line of, 'this war is a failure, we shouldn't have been there in the first place, let's end this war now, bring our troops home, and begin the process of cleaning up our mess'.

    Ron Paul would not support active American involvement in the reconstruction of Iraq. Financial concessions would likely be made, begrudgingly.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Most definitely. But reality also says he isn't going to assume the presidency ;)

    Yeah. But that he would have an influence on the rest of the Republicans? I don't see it.

    Unless...
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  • farfromglorified
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    gue_barium wrote:
    Yeah. But that he would have an influence on the rest of the Republicans? I don't see it.

    Unless...

    If he makes a noticeable impact on Conservative voters, he certainly has a chance to influence the Republican establishment. But will the Republican party go Libertarian overnight? Of course not.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    farfromglorified wrote:
    If he makes a noticeable impact on Conservative voters, he certainly has a chance to influence the Republican establishment. But will the Republican party go Libertarian overnight? Of course not.

    I think there's a big difference between Libertarianism and Ron Paul's Constitutionalism.
    I do dig the dude.

    lol.

    I dig Ron Paul.
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  • farfromglorified
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    gue_barium wrote:
    I think there's a big difference between Libertarianism and Ron Paul's Constitutionalism.

    There certainly can be. Libertarianism encompasses a number of views, starting at the pure anarchist and extending to the corporatist or even the corporatist-statist in some scenarios. Paul's Constitutionalism accepts the existence of the state as a necessity and believes upholding the core intent of the founding fathers is very consistent with Libertarianism.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    farfromglorified wrote:
    There certainly can be. Libertarianism encompasses a number of views, starting at the pure anarchist and extending to the corporatist or even the corporatist-statist in some scenarios. Paul's Constitutionalism accepts the existence of the state as a necessity and believes upholding the core intent of the founding fathers is very consistent with Libertarianism.

    I'm with you on getting this guy as much attention as possible over the months preceding the election.

    I'll leave it at that.
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  • norm
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    thanks for the thread ffg..........i found hysterical that romney and mccain et el were saying there want to get back to reagan style politics yet paul is the only one coming close to actually talking like reagan.....:)
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    http://www.myspace.com/congressmanronpaul
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ron Paul Wins MSNBC Debate Poll

    Ron Paul steps into national spotlight

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    May 4, 2007

    ARLINGTON, VA – Congressman Ron Paul finished first in the MSNBC poll following the GOP primary debate last night held at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California. Dr. Paul received 43 percent, beating the second-place finisher by five points, and crushing the rest of the field.

    “Last night, Americans met Ron Paul and loved what they heard,” said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. “Dr. Paul’s message of freedom and limited government resonates with Republicans hungry for a return to their party’s core values.”


    “Ron Paul is the only true conservative in the GOP race. Americans saw that last night,” continued Snyder. “The campaign looks forward to further debates and opportunities so even more Americans will discover Dr. Paul’s message of freedom, peace and prosperity.”
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    https://www.ronpaul2008.com/forms/contribute.cfm
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    baraka wrote:
    http://www.myspace.com/congressmanronpaul

    His Bill Maher interview is especially interesting. He has some interesting ideas to say the least. I'd love to talk with him about our current VA system. He mentions it briefly and I agree & disagree with him to a point.
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    but the illusion of knowledge.
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  • farfromglorified
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    baraka wrote:
    His Bill Maher interview is especially interesting. He has some interesting ideas to say the least. I'd love to talk with him about our current VA system. He mentions it briefly and I agree & disagree with him to a point.

    Maher's questions, despite his role as devil's advocate, are kind of ridiculous.

    You mean you're not for the FAA...I mean, without the FAA wouldn't planes just crash into each other???????

    So you were against the civil war....that must mean you are pro-slavery huh??????

    What specifically on the VA system did you take issue with?
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    farfromglorified wrote:

    What specifically on the VA system did you take issue with?

    I am very familiar with the VA system and one thing I have learned is they are all not equal. The VA has many problems (whole different thread), but they have also implemented innovative processes that private hospitals have adopted. Because it is a government institution, there is a lot of 'red tape' that I feel impedes care. I believe changes need to occur. However, the medical professionals employed by the VA are top notch, at least at the one here. I felt that he insinuated differently. The VA in my area has actually attracted talent due to the fact that they pay more than the private hospitals (plus the superior benefits). The problem is not with the professionals, but with the bureaucratic system.
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    but the illusion of knowledge.
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  • farfromglorified
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    baraka wrote:
    I am very familiar with the VA system and one thing I have learned is they are all not equal. The VA has many problems (whole different thread), but they have also implemented innovative processes that private hospitals have adopted. Because it is a government institution, there is a lot of 'red tape' that I feel impedes care. I believe changes need to occur. However, the medical professionals employed by the VA are top notch, at least at the one here. I felt that he insinuated differently. The VA in my area has actually attracted talent due to the fact that they pay more than the private hospitals (plus the superior benefits). The problem is not with the professionals, but with the bureaucratic system.

    Well, I suspect Mr Paul would agree with you. He's not impugning the doctors and staff who work there (he once worked at VA hospital himself), but rather the bureaucratic system that forces Veterans into a government-monopolized health system.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    baraka wrote:
    I am very familiar with the VA system and one thing I have learned is they are all not equal. The VA has many problems (whole different thread), but they have also implemented innovative processes that private hospitals have adopted. Because it is a government institution, there is a lot of 'red tape' that I feel impedes care. I believe changes need to occur. However, the medical professionals employed by the VA are top notch, at least at the one here. I felt that he insinuated differently. The VA in my area has actually attracted talent due to the fact that they pay more than the private hospitals (plus the superior benefits). The problem is not with the professionals, but with the bureaucratic system.

    pretty much sums up our government................
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    "The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence."

    "Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense."

    "Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."

    "Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism."

    "Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms."

    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads."

    --Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Thanks for starting this thread FFG. I think Paul gave his campaign a huge boost last night. I believe that the public is ready to entertain a candidate like Ron Paul. People are so fed up with the way the bureuocrats have been ruining our country. I have already sent in my information to his campaign to contact me if they need volunteers in New Jersey.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Here's a montage of Ron's statements at the debate, if you'd rather see it than read it in the transcript at the beginning of this thread:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Hfa7vT02lA

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