Politically correct holiday greetings or the old favorites?

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    he was using specific examples of schools taking away nativity screens and people not being allowed to say merry xmas.

    I cant remember exactly what he used to back up his arugment but it wasnt out of thin air. but he also did hype up some.

    some schools opted for holiday parties instead of xmas parties. some stores were switching to happy holidays instead of merry xmas. but nowhere was anyone filing suit saying they were outraged at being wished a merry xmas.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    soulsinging wrote:
    some schools opted for holiday parties instead of xmas parties. some stores were switching to happy holidays instead of merry xmas. but nowhere was anyone filing suit saying they were outraged at being wished a merry xmas.
    ...
    I can remember being in the 3rd grade and finding out that this one kid didn't celebrate Christmas. All of us kids just figured he was going to Hell.
    ...
    But, Hey... we were in the 3rd grade.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I can remember being in the 3rd grade and finding out that this one kid didn't celebrate Christmas. All of us kids just figured he was going to Hell.
    ...
    But, Hey... we were in the 3rd grade.

    Isn't it great how society inserts these concepts of heaven in hell into children who's brains aren't capable of deductive reasoning?

    I believe it's called brainwashing.

    I see a fine line between teaching and brainwashing. One uses proven facts and the other uses beliefs to influence a person's mind. A childs brain hasn't fully developed, the prefrontal cortex we use for logic, concentration and reasoning (our higher consciousness) doesn't develop until adolescence. When it does, these programs are already dominating the thought process.
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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    soulsinging wrote:
    some schools opted for holiday parties instead of xmas parties. some stores were switching to happy holidays instead of merry xmas. but nowhere was anyone filing suit saying they were outraged at being wished a merry xmas.
    Yeah, I don't think really anyone has ever been offended by a Christmas tree or being wished a Merry Christmas. i think more than anything, those of us who openly and proudly celebrate Christmas, do not want to see it watered down and hidden for masses. We want to see the word Christmas instead of being overly politically correct and just stay safe and wish people a Happy Holidays.

    I say Merry Fucking Christmas!!!

    And Happy Festivus!!!
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    People need to lighten up. I'm not a christian and I could care less if people said Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays. I figure that these people would be the same people who would be offended if christian leaders wanted to do away with Halloween in their area.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Yeah, I don't think really anyone has ever been offended by a Christmas tree or being wished a Merry Christmas. i think more than anything, those of us who openly and proudly celebrate Christmas, do not want to see it watered down and hidden for masses. We want to see the word Christmas instead of being overly politically correct and just stay safe and wish people a Happy Holidays.

    I say Merry Fucking Christmas!!!

    And Happy Festivus!!!

    i think you ought to be more worried about christmas being sold out to capitalism. christmas is not being watered down becos there's no xmas tree at your school. it's being cheapened becos every company in the world hijacked it for financial gain.

    also, give me one example where anyone anywhere was not allowed to say merry christmas? if you work at a store it doesnt count becos it's a corporate decision... kinda like your employee isnt allowed to tell customers to fuck off.

    in any case, it's not really christmas anymore. christmas is dec 25. the madness of the month before it is the holidays... kwanzaa, ramadan, hannukah, christmas, solstice, etc... are all part of it. christmas just has the most bitchin traditions, so most people have adopted them into whatever form of holiday celebration they practice. kinda like the christians adopted whatever cultural practice they had to to convert natives (which is why we have xmas on dec 25 to begin with).

    in short, say merry christmas all you damn well please. just dont get your panties in a bunch when the guy at walmart wishes you happy holidays. if that's enough to wreck your holiday your priorities are truly out of whack.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    The whole Holiday thing... TO MAKE MONEY.
    It wasn't instituted by government or ordered by our courts... it was done by MERCHANTS. To get Jewish dollars and Hindu dollars and Muslim dollars and Scientology dollars. And no one really cares... we are all conditioned to the consumerism orgy that takes place between Thanksgiving and Christmas day.
    ...
    Besides... those people who complain about Wal-Marts 'Holiday Sale' not saying 'Christmas Sale'... it baffles me. Do they want their Lord Savior's name tied to Wal-Mart's orgy of dollars?
    There isn't a law stating you MUST call it a 'Holiday Tree'... call it whatever the fuck you want... call it an 'Ass Reaming Pine Tree' for all I care... I don't give a shit. Hang your pagan ritual fertility balls on your Christmas Tree and sing 'Silent Night, Motherfucker' to your heart's content... it isn't a crime and no one ever said it was. Saying 'Merry Christmas' isn't going to land you in Camp X-Ray, Guantanamo. Getting pissed off because the gal at the Wal-Mart sends you off with a 'Happy Holidays, sir'... well, that just makes you an asshole.
    So, go out and celebrate it however you want and quit worrying about how the other guy celebrates. Who made you the fucking Christmas Nazi anyway?
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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    soulsinging wrote:
    i think you ought to be more worried about christmas being sold out to capitalism. christmas is not being watered down becos there's no xmas tree at your school. it's being cheapened becos every company in the world hijacked it for financial gain.

    also, give me one example where anyone anywhere was not allowed to say merry christmas? if you work at a store it doesnt count becos it's a corporate decision... kinda like your employee isnt allowed to tell customers to fuck off.

    in any case, it's not really christmas anymore. christmas is dec 25. the madness of the month before it is the holidays... kwanzaa, ramadan, hannukah, christmas, solstice, etc... are all part of it. christmas just has the most bitchin traditions, so most people have adopted them into whatever form of holiday celebration they practice. kinda like the christians adopted whatever cultural practice they had to to convert natives (which is why we have xmas on dec 25 to begin with).

    in short, say merry christmas all you damn well please. just dont get your panties in a bunch when the guy at walmart wishes you happy holidays. if that's enough to wreck your holiday your priorities are truly out of whack.
    No my friend, I am not ruined by any of this. But in the example I sited in the opening post is of a city, and the people of that city not happy with their city saying a generic Happy Holidays. Not about a corporate ran Wal-Mart. I agree...commercialism is out of control in association with Christmas. WalMart is gonna do whatever they want to do. However, our schools and government offices we do have control and influence over.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    aNiMaL wrote:
    No my friend, I am not ruined by any of this. But in the example I sited in the opening post is of a city, and the people of that city not happy with their city saying a generic Happy Holidays. Not about a corporate ran Wal-Mart. I agree...commercialism is out of control in association with Christmas. WalMart is gonna do whatever they want to do. However, our schools and government offices we do have control and influence over.
    We do have influence, and if we live in communities with Muslims and Jews and pagans and people who celebrate Kwanzaa and god only knows who else, it makes sense for the community to use the "holiday" standard, rather than the "Christmas" standard. Wishing someone a happy holiday is not an insult to their traditions. What's insulting is assuming that your own personal traditions should take precedence over others. If you're in a small town where everyone celebrates Christmas, then Christmas it is! If you're in a more diverse area, deal with it. "Happy holidays" means, "Whatever holiday you celebrate, I hope it's a happy one." It's a NICE thing to say, and people should take it that way.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    jlew24asu wrote:
    he was using specific examples of schools taking away nativity screens and people not being allowed to say merry xmas.

    I cant remember exactly what he used to back up his arugment but it wasnt out of thin air. but he also did hype up some.

    BULLSHIT!! This is the dumbest issue ever to cross major airwaves.

    nobody ever pulled down a nativity scene, and nobody ever told anyone to say anything other than anything they wanted to.

    And if anyone had a problem with anything anyone said about anything then it was their first amendment right to do so. even if it was rude there was nothing wrong with it.

    It's very simple. If someone says Happy Hannakah to me, I'll probably shrug and say "right back atcha". since I'm not Jewish, it really does'nt mean that much to me. The same way me saying Merry Christmas would have meant nothing to him.

    say whatever the fuck you want to anyone, that's your right. But if I were you, I'd leave Merry Christmas for your christian freinds and family. save something more generic for anyone you might not be sure what they celebrate if anything.

    It's the only smart thing to do.
  • old and in the way
    old and in the way Posts: 62
    I 'll bet that if you offered up a Merry Christmas wish to an A.C.L.U. lawyer he would flip out and pull a Kramer right on the spot.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I was in Tip-Top Tailors on Sunday looking at suits and I was conversing with my friend Mandy at the time. I explained that being atheist I don't feel the same emotional attraction to the holiday events that others do. I appreciate the time spent with my family, but I'd be equally satisfied doing that a different weekend, without gifts and without a huge meal.

    While I was discussing this two elderly women were staring at me, I think they were disgusted, offended or maybe just confused.
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  • old and in the way
    old and in the way Posts: 62
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I was in Tip-Top Tailors on Sunday looking at suits and I was conversing with my friend Mandy at the time. I explained that being atheist I don't feel the same emotional attraction to the holiday events that others do. I appreciate the time spent with my family, but I'd be equally satisfied doing that a different weekend, without gifts and without a huge meal.

    While I was discussing this two elderly women were staring at me, I think they were disgusted, offended or maybe just confused.

    Neighbor I believe everything you said except the part about looking at suits. I'm quite sure the elderly women were experiencing all three of those things just as you observed. They are older and wiser and were sad that you can't experience the joy of the season as they have for so long. The Christmas season is not meant to be a generic, pragmatic, practical event.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    old and in the way wrote:
    Neighbor I believe everything you said except the part about looking at suits. I'm quite sure the elderly women were experiencing all three of those things just as you observed. They are older and wiser and were sad that you can't experience the joy of the season as they have for so long. The Christmas season is not meant to be a generic, pragmatic, practical event.

    LOL

    I actually purchased a suit from that store. It's nice and was only $225. It's going to replace the blue pinstripe suit that doesn't fit me anymore.

    Old women, yup, they just aren't hip with the times.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • old and in the way
    old and in the way Posts: 62
    Ahnimus wrote:
    LOL

    I actually purchased a suit from that store. It's nice and was only $225. It's going to replace the blue pinstripe suit that doesn't fit me anymore.

    Old women, yup, they just aren't hip with the times.

    I should check that store out, some of my suit pants are getting shiny in the seat. As for the elderly ladies, I guess you can't argue with that but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and quess they might have been hip in their time. Good luck with the suit.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    old and in the way wrote:
    I should check that store out, some of my suit pants are getting shiny in the seat. As for the elderly ladies, I guess you can't argue with that but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and quess they might have been hip in their time. Good luck with the suit.

    Thanks, the salesperson was extremely helpful, his name was Movahe or something.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Really...who gives a flying fuck?


    ANd as for O'riley...how long before he makes up another bullshit story about how now, some school has redone the nativity scene to be more "PC".


    http://mediamatters.org/items/200601130013


    OR is he going to spew some shit about how the libs are taking away the word christmas. Obviously this included his very own decorations.

    http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/001391.html
  • BarkingDogs
    BarkingDogs Posts: 280
    soulsinging wrote:
    in any case, it's not really christmas anymore. christmas is dec 25. the madness of the month before it is the holidays... kwanzaa, ramadan, hannukah, christmas, solstice, etc... are all part of it. .


    cant count Kwanza...that one is a 'made up" holiday...by the blacks with no religion ...
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  • BarkingDogs
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    Christmas ROCKS!
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  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    BarkingDogs wrote:
    cant count Kwanza...that one is a 'made up" holiday...by the blacks with no religion ...

    aren't all holidays essentially "made up" by someone?
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