R.I.P Saddam Hussein

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  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    NMyTree wrote:
    I fail to see how America and Americans are any better or different from anyone else.

    They celebrated when the Towers were attacked, Americans celebrate the death of Saddam

    It seems this country has this phoney-baloney, pretentious, hollier-than-thou perspective.


    Cheering the death of a genocidal dictator is different than cheering the death of 1000's of innocent people.... and thus far, i havent seen that being cheered by american people.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    A Surprise Left wrote:
    LOL fair call about the IR laws but I can't see people getting rid of a Prime Minister who has being in for so long (Aussies don't vote out governments just ask the silly Victorians who decided "do nothing" Steve Bracks would be a better leader than Ted Bailleu) that I can't see Johnny Lite (Rudd) beating him.


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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Skitch Patterson wrote:
    Cheering the death of a genocidal dictator is different than cheering the death of 1000's of innocent people.... and thus far, i havent seen that being cheered by american people.

    That's a valid point.

    But how many of the Americans cheering Saddam's death, mourned the deaths of the Iraqi people who suffered and died as a direct result of Saddam's policies and rule? Did anyone of them actually give a crap before we were instructed by our government to give a crap?
  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    NMyTree wrote:
    That's a valid point.

    But how many of the Americans cheering Saddam's death, mourned the deaths of the Iraqi people who suffered and died as a direct result of Saddam's policies and rule? Did anyone actually give a crap before we were instructed by our government to give a crap?


    In the area i live in? Thousands of them. You know the footage they were showing of Dearborn MI last night. Well, thats about 10 minutes from my house. Thousands of native Iraqis personally affected by Saddams regime live there, and around the metro detroit area.

    And Being okay, or even happy, that occured is a far cry from "Cheering"
    his death. Saying "Good, a bad man died" does not mean one was actively rooting for it, or had a vested personal interest in it.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    I prayed for him.

    I think I should also be praying for some of you sick, twisted people who are taking enjoyment out of this as well.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Skitch, You misunderstand me.

    My comments are strictly aimed at those who have no direct involvement or connection to Iraq and it's people.
  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    NMyTree wrote:
    Skitch, You misunderstand me.

    My comments are strictly aimed at those who have no direct involvement or connection to Iraq and it's people.


    Im sure there are plenty of those as well.
    However, i think its a bit misleading of a point to bring up the idea of "didnt care about saddam until the news started talking about him" with the people of this board.

    The fact is, Saddam became a household name when i would say most people on this board were between the ages of 10-15.... About the time people start understanding whats going on, and whats in the news... Just demographically, the age of the people on this board is pretty much prohibitive to having been aware of saddam prior to his Invasion of Kuwait.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Joy that Saddam is a free man again? That he no longer has to rot in jail??? Death is the easy way out. I'd choose execution for myself anyday if in his shoes..

    Left in jail, theres always the chance of getting out. In the case of Iraq the chance may have even been greater.
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I'm asking someone explain to me what the difference is between Saddam and his murderous actions, and the actions of American leaders.

    Where are our actions better or more justified? In what way?
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Jeanie wrote:
    I completely agree with this Ahnimus. I really don't see what purpose killing another serves as a deterent. It only makes the one meting out the punishment less and all of us lesser for allowing it. I believe that there is good and evil in EVERY person. Just the degree varies. What's that quote? I think, "There are no bad people only bad acts."

    This is a post that comes very very close to my thoughts on capital punishment.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    beemster wrote:
    Left in jail, theres always the chance of getting out. In the case of Iraq the chance may have even been greater.

    So the chance of him getting out is justification for murdering him? That's hilariously pathetic. I ask this - where would Saddam go if he escaped? Even his own Sunni's don't really respect him anymore.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Kushikushun
    Kushikushun Posts: 1,263
    Skitch Patterson wrote:
    Sorry sister, but the world is short one man who was responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands.

    Regardless of how it happened, or who put him in power in the first place... there is one less terrible person on this planet. But please, feel free to continue to blame it on the idiot box, or the media, or everyone with a different view than you being a "mindless sheep".

    There is a big difference between feeling relief (or even joy) in the death of a murderer and actually BEING a murderer.

    When you murder someone who is a murderer doesnt that make you a murderer as well?
    Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    NMyTree wrote:
    I'm asking someone explain to me what the difference is between Saddam and his murderous actions, and the actions of American leaders.

    Where are our actions better or more justified? In what way?


    Im not talking about the war in iraq. Or any war for that matter.

    Im not comparing the actions of the US government to the Iraqi Government. Thats been discussed millions of times, and everyones viewpoints are going to be different on that. Some think the war was the right thing to do, others dont.

    Im merely talking about the action of killing this one man, to me, was not wrong, and defending myself against the judgemental viewpoints being spewed that anyone who doesnt have a problem with this execution is just a mindless sheep, or is in some way a bad person.
  • Kushikushun
    Kushikushun Posts: 1,263
    Kushikushun wrote:
    When you murder someone who is a murderer doesnt that make you a murderer as well?

    ...and who murders the murderer that murdered the murderer?

    ps. I am not joking here and take these questions very seriously!
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  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    Kushikushun wrote:
    When you murder someone who is a murderer doesnt that make you a murderer as well?


    If someone kills your wife and kids in front of you, and you kill them in self defense, does that make you a murderer? Maybe, maybe not. I believe that sometimes there is justification to take a persons life. would i do it myself? Probably not.

    I also eat meat, but could never kill an animal myself unless i absolutely had to, and i sure as hell dont blame hunters for doing it.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    know1 wrote:
    This is a post that comes very very close to my thoughts on capital punishment.

    So what did I forget? ;)
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Skitch Patterson wrote:
    If someone kills your wife and kids in front of you, and you kill them in self defense, does that make you a murderer? Maybe, maybe not. I believe that sometimes there is justification to take a persons life. would i do it myself? Probably not.

    I also eat meat, but could never kill an animal myself unless i absolutely had to, and i sure as hell dont blame hunters for doing it.

    To me, YES it does make you a murderer. I do not believe there is any justification for taking anyone's life.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Skitch Patterson wrote:

    Im merely talking about the action of killing this one man, to me, was not wrong, and defending myself against the judgemental viewpoints being spewed that anyone who doesnt have a problem with this execution is just a mindless sheep, or is in some way a bad person.

    I didn't say you were a mindless sheep or a bad person. Truth is there are just as many "mindless sheep" in the overly-Liberal/PC camp, as there are on any of the other sides.

    I'm asking what the difference is between Saddam's regime and his actions, and the actions of American leaders and the CIA ....in general terms. Not just this current Iraq war, but historically and through policies and actions, how are our American leaders better, different.....more justified?
  • disconnected
    disconnected Posts: 2,875
    Joy that Saddam is a free man again? He doesn't has to rot away in jail??? Death is the easy way out.

    There are no courts for yhe bombings of the koerdish people? No court for others things he did? The killing of his son in laws? No court for that?

    It's damn fucking easy way isn't? He deserved to get in court for everything else he did followed by rotten away in a sad prison cel....

    Where is justice? Fucking bastards!
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Jeanie wrote:
    So what did I forget? ;)

    Probably nothing!

    I definitely see a lot of grey areas to many issues, but capital punishment is the one where it is closest to black and white to me. There is NO justification for killing someone that anyone can convince me about. NOTHING good comes from killing someone.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.

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