Five U.S. troops killed in Iraq

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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    inmytree wrote:
    every argument, huh...? if you say so...

    they still hate us for our "freedom", right...and if "they are not with us, they are against us"....right...we can't "cut and run", right...

    So these WORDS are the cause of their insane desire to blow themselves up? These WORDS uttered by a president AFTER they knocked down the twin towers caused their anger? Where's your disgust for THEM? Or does hating the US and its administration take up too much of your energy to have any left for them?

    Perhaps not every arguement, but for you to call me out for using "absolutes" around here is laughable, to say the least.
    Why go home

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    PaperPlates wrote:
    So these WORDS are the cause of their insane desire to blow themselves up? These WORDS uttered by a president AFTER they knocked down the twin towers caused their anger? Where's your disgust for THEM? Or does hating the US and its administration take up too much of your energy to have any left for them?

    Perhaps not every arguement, but for you to call me out for using "absolutes" around here is laughable, to say the least.
    some of us do have disgust for those that blew up the towers..unfortunately they weren't in Iraq...and they didn't represent all Muslims...but Bush boy used this rhetoric to get the good Ole American "Patriots" roused up. Hell we actually had support from more Muslims Sept 12th than in a long time...course "bring it on" and "your with us or against us" and going into Iraq pissed that opportunity away....
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    PaperPlates wrote:
    So these WORDS are the cause of their insane desire to blow themselves up? These WORDS uttered by a president AFTER they knocked down the twin towers caused their anger? Where's your disgust for THEM? Or does hating the US and its administration take up too much of your energy to have any left for them?

    holy absolutes, batman!!!! :eek:

    allow me to let you in on a little secret...just because a person speaks out against bush and his warmongering policies, does not mean that same person is "with" the terrorists, insurgents, or enemy...I know it's a big concept...take your time, think it over....you may understand someday...
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Perhaps not every arguement, but for you to call me out for using "absolutes" around here is laughable, to say the least.

    don't care....
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    inmytree wrote:
    holy absolutes, batman!!!! :eek:

    allow me to let you in on a little secret...just because a person speaks out against bush and his warmongering policies, does not mean that same person is "with" the terrorists, insurgents, or enemy...I know it's a big concept...take your time, think it over....you may understand someday...



    don't care....

    Let me let you in on a little secret, not everyone who approves of the wars the US chooses to take on is a war mongerer. SOME Of us simply see it as better to fight there, than in boston. Either way, despite what any of you think, we are at war. Not just in Iraq, but against a idealogy. This is a war of idealogies, and no matter how much you try diplomacy, you cant reason with madmen, and those who are hell bent on war aren't going to be talked out of it.

    Some of us don't cringe at the number of US casualties, because we know thats a soldiers job. Soldiers arent peace keepers. Their job is to kill, and/or die, doing the JOB they get paid to do.
    Why go home

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Let me let you in on a little secret, not everyone who approves of the wars the US chooses to take on is a war mongerer. SOME Of us simply see it as better to fight there, than in boston. Either way, despite what any of you think, we are at war. Not just in Iraq, but against a idealogy. This is a war of idealogies, and no matter how much you try diplomacy, you cant reason with madmen, and those who are hell bent on war aren't going to be talked out of it.

    Some of us don't cringe at the number of US casualties, because we know thats a soldiers job. Soldiers arent peace keepers. Their job is to kill, and/or die, doing the JOB they get paid to do.

    where did I say you were a warmonger...? please re-read my post...

    anyway, the rest of your post is sad...it's sad to me that you see life as expendable...you talk as if soliders are less than human...

    to be honest, you flippent attitude toward soldiers kinda makes me sick...
  • 1970RR
    1970RR Posts: 281
    jlew24asu wrote:
    stop using that bullshit number.
    Yeah, because only 50,000 dead is OK.

    How high does the body count have to go to qualify as a problem?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    1970RR wrote:
    Yeah, because only 50,000 dead is OK.

    How high does the body count have to go to qualify as a problem?


    who said it was ok? its not ok. but why lie about it. why say a number that is not correct just to make it seem alot worse then it is.

    its like saying 4 million people died on 9/11. actually no, it was more like 3000. there is a difference
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    inmytree wrote:
    where did I say you were a warmonger...? please re-read my post...

    anyway, the rest of your post is sad...it's sad to me that you see life as expendable...you talk as if soliders are less than human...

    to be honest, you flippent attitude toward soldiers kinda makes me sick...


    and your flippant attitude towards dealing with terrorist nations who want nothing but to harm the US, makes me sick. Deal with it. Soldiers arent less than human, where did I say that?
    Why go home

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  • SundaySilence
    SundaySilence Posts: 537
    jlew24asu wrote:
    who said it was ok? its not ok. but why lie about it. why say a number that is not correct just to make it seem alot worse then it is.

    its like saying 4 million people died on 9/11. actually no, it was more like 3000. there is a difference

    Who is lying, you claiming to have knowledge on Iraqi civilian deaths or a team of epidemiologists from John Hopkins published in a respected medical journal?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    SundaySilence wrote:
    Who is lying, you claiming to have knowledge on Iraqi civilian deaths or a team of epidemiologists from John Hopkins published in a respected medical journal?


    find one other "respected person" who will agree with that number. All of them say its greatly exaggerated. the report itself says its not based on a body count. I guess they just assumed alot more are dead.

    no other report puts the estimated dead at over 50-60 thousand.

    does that make it right? fuck no. see my previous post for an example on why.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    jlew24asu wrote:
    find one other "respected person" who will agree with that number. All of them say its greatly exaggerated. the report itself says its not based on a body count. I guess they just assumed alot more are dead.

    no other report puts the estimated dead at over 50-60 thousand.

    does that make it right? fuck no. see my previous post for an example on why.

    all those reports are on specific groups - a clever way of keeping the number low in the mind of the willing
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abuskedti wrote:
    all those reports are on specific groups - a clever way of keeping the number low in the mind of the willing


    they call that specific group civillians. what other group am I missing? terrorists? no need to count them
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    jlew24asu wrote:
    they call that specific group civillians. what other group am I missing? terrorists? no need to count them

    no - not if you're willing to kill 650,000 people simply by calling them terrorists.
    The effort is obviously working.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abuskedti wrote:
    no - not if you're willing to kill 650,000 people simply by calling them terrorists.
    The effort is obviously working.


    would be nice to kill 600,000 terrorists. then maybe Islam can get back to being a peaceful religion.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    jlew24asu wrote:
    would be nice to kill 600,000 terrorists. then maybe Islam can get back to being a peaceful religion.

    by our methods we'll get millions easily..

    In America it takes us months or years to find a single serial killer.

    In Iraq we use the following method

    Bang! Dead, must have been a terrorist 1
    Band! Dead, must have been a terrorist 2
    .......
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abuskedti wrote:
    by our methods we'll get millions easily..

    In America it takes us months or years to find a single serial killer.

    In Iraq we use the following method

    Bang! Dead, must have been a terrorist 1
    Band! Dead, must have been a terrorist 2
    .......


    most of the terrorists on the battle field carry a large bullseye, single serial killers are much more smart about not getting caught. i.e. osama
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    jlew24asu wrote:
    most of the terrorists on the battle field carry a large bullseye, single serial killers are much more smart about not getting caught. i.e. osama

    A bullseye? Like the Jews did in Germany? What does it look like?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abuskedti wrote:
    A bullseye? Like the Jews did in Germany? What does it look like?


    http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap/Al%20Qaeda%20compressed%20guns%20raised.jpg
  • Hope&Anger
    Hope&Anger Posts: 260
    jlew24asu wrote:
    http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap/Al%20Qaeda%20compressed%20guns%20raised.jpg
    ROTFL -- the Alabama department of homeland security has a picture of a terrorist training camp??? That is SO FUNNY!!!

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- the people most afraid of terrorism live in places where it's least likely to occur.
    "Things will just get better and better even though it
    doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
    idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
    Hope! Hope is the underdog!"

    -- EV, Live at the Showbox
  • stu gee
    stu gee Posts: 1,174
    inmytree wrote:
    how do you know...?

    He probably knows because that is one of the risks that a soldier takes when they sign up for the army, being sent to war or war affected area is always a possibility and arguably a probability.

    It saddens me greatly to hear of soldiers dying; a guy i used to play in the same football team with died last week in Afghanistan. I was very upset to hear of is death, but he knew that this was always a possibility when he joined up. Its a shitty war, as are all wars, but i still agree with military action in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.

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