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Five U.S. troops killed in Iraq

AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
edited October 2006 in A Moving Train
wont be long before Bush surpasses Osama in killing Americans

He is already recognized as a far more prolific killer of non-Americans.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abuskedti wrote:
    wont be long before Bush surpasses Osama in killing Americans

    He is already recognized as a far more prolific killer of non-Americans.


    Bush didnt kill any Americans. those Americans who died choose to put themselves in harms way. the people osama killed did not. nice try though
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    i wonder what cheney and rummy's stats are?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Bush didnt kill any Americans. those Americans who died choose to put themselves in harms way. the people osama killed did not. nice try though


    really they chose it or they were ordered to go?

    didn't they just tell a bunch of soliders that were 2 weeks away from going home that their time had been extended another 4 months? did they choose that or were they told?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Scratchin a LetterScratchin a Letter Posts: 2,303
    Abuskedti wrote:
    wont be long before Bush surpasses Osama in killing Americans

    He is already recognized as a far more prolific killer of non-Americans.
    as much as i hate the cunt, i dont think he and his administration knew how bad the war was going to get. it was more like, 'lets invade eye-rak now because they're a threat' bullshit rather than, 'lets wait until we know eye-rak is a threat to the usa and plan how we are going to do this effectively'... they are dead beacuse of his disasterous decisiveness which has also caused caused the iraqi insurgency to commit such atrocities.

    but y'know, all in the name of freedom. even if the iraqis dont want the false branded freedom they are being force-fed, we must "stay the course".

    the war will never be won. that is becoming more and more evident each day.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Scratchin a Letter wrote:
    as much as i hate the cunt, i dont think he and his administration knew how bad the war was going to get. it was more like, 'lets invade eye-rak now because they're a threat' bullshit rather than, 'lets wait until we know eye-rak is a threat to the usa and plan how we are going to do this effectively'... they are dead beacuse of his disasterous decisiveness which has also caused caused the iraqi insurgency to commit such atrocities.

    but y'know, all in the name of freedom. even if the iraqis dont want the false branded freedom they are being force-fed, we must "stay the course".

    the war will never be won. that is becoming more and more evident each day.

    top military ppl said these things would happen, maybe not down to the letter but a long drawn out occupation, starting a civil war...it's not that they didn't know, rather they just didn't care
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Scratchin a LetterScratchin a Letter Posts: 2,303
    El_Kabong wrote:
    top military ppl said these things would happen, maybe not down to the letter but a long drawn out occupation, starting a civil war...it's not that they didn't know, rather they just didn't care
    that also.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    El_Kabong wrote:
    really they chose it or they were ordered to go?

    didn't they just tell a bunch of soliders that were 2 weeks away from going home that their time had been extended another 4 months? did they choose that or were they told?


    they chose to go. they chose when they signed up to be in the military. your argument is so weak.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    they chose to go. they chose when they signed up to be in the military. your argument is so weak.

    no, they chose to defend their country, fighting in iraq is not the same thing.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Bush didnt kill any Americans. those Americans who died choose to put themselves in harms way. the people osama killed did not. nice try though
    oh yes, right... it's the soldiers that made a meeting and decided that they wanted to invade iraq. not bush that made the decision and decided to send someone else to do that...
    www.amnesty.org
    www.amnesty.org.uk
  • Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    jlew24asu wrote:
    they chose to go. they chose when they signed up to be in the military. your argument is so weak.
    uhm, are you so sure that all the soldiers signed for patriotism? isn't it that a lot of them applied to have a job, due to the lack of jobs in the area whre they come from, and other similar reasons?
    I also want to remind you that it is duty of leaders to make safe their soldiers...
    www.amnesty.org
    www.amnesty.org.uk
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Bush didnt kill any Americans. those Americans who died choose to put themselves in harms way. the people osama killed did not. nice try though

    And the 650,000 Iraqi civilians killed didn't choose to put themselves in harms way. So what's your point?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    And the 650,000 Iraqi civilians killed didn't choose to put themselves in harms way. So what's your point?


    stop using that bullshit number.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    El_Kabong wrote:
    no, they chose to defend their country, fighting in iraq is not the same thing.

    True. Although there are many different motivations for joining the armed forces. Poverty is one. Being raised on a diet of Hollywood Gung-ho war movies is another. The search for excitement and adventure is another. Family tradition may be another reason for wanting to join up. I honestly don't believe that ANYBODY joins the armed forces to 'defend their country', because this is just too abstract and meaningless a concept. Firstly, what exactly is a 'country'?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Puck78 wrote:
    oh yes, right... it's the soldiers that made a meeting and decided that they wanted to invade iraq. not bush that made the decision and decided to send someone else to do that...


    soliders are well aware that they might go to war and be put in harms way.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    stop using that bullshit number.

    Yes Sir! :cool:

    Please may I be permitted to ask why it's a bullshit number Sir? :confused: Do you have evidence to support your statement Sir? :confused:
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    soliders are well aware that they might go to war and be put in harms way.

    how do you know...?
  • JackhammerJackhammer Posts: 122
    I guess he meant that by serving in the army (no matter which country), you should expect to kill or get killed when doing what armies are made for: war.

    Maybe it was the case in the past, but I'm naive enough to think we can live on without armies, weapons and people like Junior.
    Reality isn't what it used to be.
  • lastexit78lastexit78 Posts: 618
    Scratchin a Letter wrote:
    as much as i hate the cunt, i dont think he and his administration knew how bad the war was going to get. it was more like, 'lets invade eye-rak now because they're a threat' bullshit rather than, 'lets wait until we know eye-rak is a threat to the usa and plan how we are going to do this effectively'... they are dead beacuse of his disasterous decisiveness which has also caused caused the iraqi insurgency to commit such atrocities.

    but y'know, all in the name of freedom. even if the iraqis dont want the false branded freedom they are being force-fed, we must "stay the course".

    the war will never be won. that is becoming more and more evident each day.


    I agree on this theory 100%. Bush and company thought this war would take a few weeks. Completely destroy their military in the first week and enjoy the liberators celebration party the second week. I honestly think if we would have just left after the famous "Mission Accomplished" debacle we would all be better off now. Iraq's civil war would probably be winding down by now and we could have been focusing our attention on the other dozens of more important issues facing us. Is this really even a war anymore? It's unlike any war I've ever observed. It's more like a temporary occupation gone horribly wrong. They think we won't leave so they keep killing us. We want to leave but only when they stop killing us. What an endless mess.
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Byrnzie wrote:
    True. Although there are many different motivations for joining the armed forces. Poverty is one. Being raised on a diet of Hollywood Gung-ho war movies is another. The search for excitement and adventure is another. Family tradition may be another reason for wanting to join up. I honestly don't believe that ANYBODY joins the armed forces to 'defend their country', because this is just too abstract and meaningless a concept. Firstly, what exactly is a 'country'?


    oh, i agree, i meant that the REASON of the military is to defend the country. naturally there;s all sorts of reasons...i saw some recruitment ad on some site today w/ some figure of how much they will pay for you to go to college...for lots of ppl it's a job at wal-mart or mcdonalds or the army <and not b/c of education or whatever but their location, transportation, lack of public transit...> the army to go to college or probably no college....
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    El_Kabong wrote:
    no, they chose to defend their country, fighting in iraq is not the same thing.

    Exactly. Some people are so damn blind it is pitiful. Slap that decal on their car and pretend everything is OK.
    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Are people really trying to argue that someone who signs up for the military is oblivious to the possibility of seeing combat? I mean, unless you have a serious cognitive deficit, how can that be, especially the American military, in this day and age?
    I agree with the poster who said that Bush is a cunt, but probably didn't know how bad things were going to get. Gross negligence. Not some hidden desire to kill Americans. And also, can we stop treating the Iraqis as if they are sunhumans who have no ability to stop killing one another? Cripes. People hate Bush so much that they wind up reducing the whole situation down to him. The Iraqis can take some steps to reduce the killing too. Its not all about the Americans.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    how do you know...?


    common sense
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Are people really trying to argue that someone who signs up for the military is oblivious to the possibility of seeing combat? I mean, unless you have a serious cognitive deficit, how can that be, especially the American military, in this day and age?
    I agree with the poster who said that Bush is a cunt, but probably didn't know how bad things were going to get. Gross negligence. Not some hidden desire to kill Americans. And also, can we stop treating the Iraqis as if they are sunhumans who have no ability to stop killing one another? Cripes. People hate Bush so much that they wind up reducing the whole situation down to him. The Iraqis can take some steps to reduce the killing too. Its not all about the Americans.

    Is oblivious the only alternative to knowing they were going to be invading Iraq and occupying it for 5 years as hundreds of thousands are killed for absolutely no reason?

    And sure.. many people maybe could stand up and help correct the horror created in Iraq - at the risk of being killed by any number of possible enemies in that war zone.. hopefully one day that will happen, but not likely while America is still there blowing up whomever they choose. If that lessons the burdon for you - well then yes it is true

    You often site hate for Bush... how is it you are obsessed with that thought - when perhaps its hate for all the murder.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Is oblivious the only alternative to knowing they were going to be invading Iraq and occupying it for 5 years as hundreds of thousands are killed for absolutely no reason?
    .

    based on the wars of the past, every solider knows what is possible.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Abuskedti wrote:
    wont be long before Bush surpasses Osama in killing Americans

    He is already recognized as a far more prolific killer of non-Americans.

    I'd like to see when the death toll of American soldiers in Iraq reach 3,000, if it will be a big deal since that's how many people we lost on 9/11.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    common sense

    hmm...common sense...perhaps your right..."common sense" would said prior to invading another country, every angle and possible outcome would have been explored..."common sense" would had dictated the need to have body armor and proper equipment...."common sense" would have meant an exit plan would be in place....

    yes, yes...apples to oranges....I guess my point is: "common sense" is a rather subjective term that can be interpreted in different ways...
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I'd like to see when the death toll of American soldiers in Iraq reach 3,000, if it will be a big deal since that's how many people we lost on 9/11.


    the number of dead soliders has already passed the number of dead from 9/11. where have you been

    but its good to know you are waiting for it to happen, just to see if "its a big deal"
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    hmm...common sense...perhaps your right..."common sense" would said prior to invading another country, every angle and possible outcome would have been explored..."common sense" would had dictated the need to have body armor and proper equipment...."common sense" would have meant an exit plan would be in place....

    yes, yes...apples to oranges....I guess my point is: "common sense" is a rather subjective term that can be interpreted in different ways...


    no I used common sense to know that soliders are aware of the possibility of going to war and dying.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    jlew24asu wrote:
    the number of dead soliders has already passed the number of dead from 9/11. where have you been

    but its good to know you are waiting for it to happen, just to see if "its a big deal"

    No, it hasn't, oh "smart one". USA Today reported that it's in the 2,750 mark, and a neighbor of mine has been using his acreage to plant yellow flags for each U.S. soldier that has dies over there. And, he posts the number, changing it as the death toll increases.

    ETA: http://www.icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_conflict_in_Iraq_since_2003

    The number is up to 2,810.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Is oblivious the only alternative to knowing they were going to be invading Iraq and occupying it for 5 years as hundreds of thousands are killed for absolutely no reason?

    And sure.. many people maybe could stand up and help correct the horror created in Iraq - at the risk of being killed by any number of possible enemies in that war zone.. hopefully one day that will happen, but not likely while America is still there blowing up whomever they choose. If that lessons the burdon for you - well then yes it is true

    You often site hate for Bush... how is it you are obsessed with that thought - when perhaps its hate for all the murder.

    It doesn't lessen the burden, Iraq is still a bad, bad situation either way. But its a true statement, in sync with reality. The U.S. kicked a hornet's nest and set things off, but it didn't make a bunch of otherwise peaceful hornets ornery. Not trying to dehumanize with this analogy, by the way. Just trying to make the point that sectarian hatred is the fuel that keeps the fire burning, along with an American presence.
    And yes, I often site hatred for Bush ... Without trying to argue that this hatred is unjustified. I think you still have me pegged as a Bush supporter. Nope. I just do not wish to simplify the situation too much.
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