now, i can understand that you can prefer one side to the other: republicans to democrats. But to be blind to the misbehaviour of your party (torture, lies on WMD, etc) means that you lose auto-criticism toward yourself. I think you can still support your party and be critic toward them...
now, i can understand that you can prefer one side to the other: republicans to democrats. But to be blind to the misbehaviour of your party (torture, lies on WMD, etc) means that you lose auto-criticism toward yourself. I think you can still support your party and be critic toward them...
my party? sorry I dont prefer one party. I support america. doesnt matter what party is in office. if they do something I dont like. I call them on it. same if there is something good.
my party? sorry I dont prefer one party. I support america. doesnt matter what party is in office. if they do something I dont like. I call them on it. same if there is something good.
I guess you like everything going on with this administration because I sure dont see you criticizing anything they do/have done. Wave that flag.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
I guess you like everything going on with this administration because I sure dont see you criticizing anything they do/have done. Wave that flag.
no actually I dont. I am against toture and I think we need a timetable to leave Iraq based on goals set and accomplished by the Iraqi government. and yes, I proudly wave the flag.
no actually I dont. I am against toture and I think we need a timetable to leave Iraq based on goals set and accomplished by the Iraqi government. and yes, I proudly wave the flag.
I stand corrected. I apologize.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
no actually I dont. I am against toture and I think we need a timetable to leave Iraq based on goals set and accomplished by the Iraqi government. and yes, I proudly wave the flag.
I shit on all flags. The world was round last time I checked.
only whites, huh...? it's that a bit racist in itself...? I swear I saw I couple of Asian rednecks the other day...and a Spanish speaking redneck just last week...
only whites, huh...? it's that a bit racist in itself...? I swear I saw I couple of Asian rednecks the other day...and a Spanish speaking redneck just last week...
only whites, huh...? it's that a bit racist in itself...? I swear I saw I couple of Asian rednecks the other day...and a Spanish speaking redneck just last week...
So its cool if I call crack addicts and gang-bangers niggers, then?
Didn't think so.
I think we can all admit that Rednecks are of a certain type. It's not too difficult to understand. England has it's own brand of redneck. We call them Chavs. http://www.chavscum.co.uk/culture.php
Simply put, anyone who eats 'Freedom fries', has a goatee beard, and lives in a trailer, can be safely assured that they are a redneck chicken kicker!
And I didn't even need to rely on Wikipedia for that! :cool:
So its cool if I call crack addicts and gang-bangers niggers, then?
Didn't think so.
What is your definition of the word 'nigger'? I thought it was a slang word used to describe anyone who was black back when it was generally accepted by society that they were inferior to white people. Why do you mention crack and gangs?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
What is your definition of the word 'nigger'? I thought it was a slang word used to describe anyone who was black back when it was generally accepted by society that they were inferior to white people. Why do you mention crack and gangs?
Because that word in its current form is a racist phrase that is intended to conjure up negative stereotypes ... Other than the historical context, I don't see how its that different from redneck. Ever see Chris Rocks' stand-up? He talks about using that word to specifically describe antisocial blacks (crack and gangs).
I think we can all admit that Rednecks are of a certain type. It's not too difficult to understand. England has it's own brand of redneck. We call them Chavs. http://www.chavscum.co.uk/culture.php
Simply put, anyone who eats 'Freedom fries', has a goatee beard, and lives in a trailer, can be safely assured that they are a redneck chicken kicker!
And I didn't even need to rely on Wikipedia for that! :cool:
This business about non-white rednecks is news to me, though. The word is not usually used that way.
Because that word in its current form is a racist phrase that is intended to conjure up negative stereotypes ... Other than the historical context, I don't see how its that different from redneck. Ever see Chris Rocks' stand-up? He talks about using that word to specifically describe antisocial blacks (crack and gangs).
So because Chris Rock says it then it's ok? Or is it still not ok? What are you saying, exactly? Is Chris Rock a racist? Maybe the world 'thug' is a better way to describe a crack addict, gang banger? And on the subject of comedians, the Blue Collar Comedy guys seem to be proud of their redneck status...maybe they don't need you playing the pc police for them.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So because Chris Rock says it then it's ok? Or is it still not ok? What are you saying, exactly? Is Chris Rock a racist? Maybe the world 'thug' is a better way to describe a crack addict, gang banger? And on the subject of comedians, the Blue Collar Comedy guys seem to be proud of their redneck status...maybe they don't need you playing the pc police for them.
Stop trying to bait me, please. My whole point is that people play the PC police selectively. Why is it OK to use redneck but not other slurs?
Stop trying to bait me, please. My whole point is that people play the PC police selectively. Why is it OK to use redneck but not other slurs?
Black people associate the word 'nigger' with the definition I described and take it as meaning all inclusive. That explains why they don't like white people calling them that. When other black people say the word, it is obvious they aren't meaning the whole race in most cases.
Redneck describes a certain aspect of ignorant type, uneducated people. They happen to be white most of the time but don't have to be to still fit the definition. So it's not a racial slur.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Black people associate the word 'nigger' with the definition I described and take it as meaning all inclusive. That explains why they don't like white people calling them that. When other black people say the word, it is obvious they aren't meaning the whole race in most cases.
Redneck describes a certain aspect of ignorant type, uneducated people. They happen to be white most of the time but don't have to be to still fit the definition. So it's not a racial slur.
Ignorant, uneducated people happen to be white most of the time? I am going to assume you meant rednecks are a specific type of ignorant, uneducated person, who usually happens to be white. I can kind of see your point, but I still think the term basically does have a racial connatation. I read that wikipedia piece, and it mentions how the word is basically the same as "cracker", which is a racial slur usually used by black people to refer to whites.
And yes, I know some people embrace the redneck label. Some people embrace the term nigger, too.
Ignorant, uneducated people happen to be white most of the time? I am going to assume you meant rednecks are a specific type of ignorant, uneducated person, who usually happens to be white. I can kind of see your point, but I still think the term basically does have a racial connatation. I read that wikipedia piece, and it mentions how the word is basically the same as "cracker", which is a racial slur usually used by black people to refer to whites.
And yes, I know some people embrace the redneck label. Some people embrace the term nigger, too.
Yes, that is what I meant.
I don't think of 'cracker' and 'redneck' as meaning the same thing, personally. I do see 'cracker' as a racial slur refering to white people.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I don't think of 'cracker' and 'redneck' as meaning the same thing, personally. I do see 'cracker' as a racial slur refering to white people.
For what it's worth, my impression has always been that redneck wasn't really racist -- it was more "class-ist." It's the thing that my educated Southern in-laws call poor, less educated whites.
I've always thought that Cracker was the word African-Americans used for whites.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
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Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
For what it's worth, my impression has always been that redneck wasn't really racist -- it was more "class-ist." It's the thing that my educated Southern in-laws call poor, less educated whites.
I've always thought that Cracker was the word African-Americans used for whites.
Well, I'm poor, white and southern but I'm not a redneck....so I think it goes back to the 'dumb' thing as I stated before.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The first time I heard the term redneck was when Charlie Daniels used it in a song in the early seventies. It was always used as a reference to describe the southern white farmers who hated the longhaired hippies. You had a red sundurnt neck because your hair was short.
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redneck behaviour. thats a new one. nice racists comment
www.amnesty.org.uk
I didn't know "redneck" was a race...I guess you learn something new every day...
my party? sorry I dont prefer one party. I support america. doesnt matter what party is in office. if they do something I dont like. I call them on it. same if there is something good.
I guess you like everything going on with this administration because I sure dont see you criticizing anything they do/have done. Wave that flag.
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
no actually I dont. I am against toture and I think we need a timetable to leave Iraq based on goals set and accomplished by the Iraqi government. and yes, I proudly wave the flag.
I stand corrected. I apologize.
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
redneck is a slang term refering to white people
I shit on all flags. The world was round last time I checked.
only whites, huh...? it's that a bit racist in itself...? I swear I saw I couple of Asian rednecks the other day...and a Spanish speaking redneck just last week...
these are interesting times we live in...
Whatever, Billy Bob!
an asian redneck? I learned something new today
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
the world also has borders. and soveign countries that are recongized by flags within those borders.
yup....amazing, ain't it...
Who are you? Mork? Tell that shit to Orson dude!
No, just the real dumb ones.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Was one of them called Billy Bob Krishnamurti?
So its cool if I call crack addicts and gang-bangers niggers, then?
Didn't think so.
I think we can all admit that Rednecks are of a certain type. It's not too difficult to understand. England has it's own brand of redneck. We call them Chavs. http://www.chavscum.co.uk/culture.php
Simply put, anyone who eats 'Freedom fries', has a goatee beard, and lives in a trailer, can be safely assured that they are a redneck chicken kicker!
And I didn't even need to rely on Wikipedia for that! :cool:
What is your definition of the word 'nigger'? I thought it was a slang word used to describe anyone who was black back when it was generally accepted by society that they were inferior to white people. Why do you mention crack and gangs?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Because that word in its current form is a racist phrase that is intended to conjure up negative stereotypes ... Other than the historical context, I don't see how its that different from redneck. Ever see Chris Rocks' stand-up? He talks about using that word to specifically describe antisocial blacks (crack and gangs).
This business about non-white rednecks is news to me, though. The word is not usually used that way.
As for the Chavs ... Interesting.
So because Chris Rock says it then it's ok? Or is it still not ok? What are you saying, exactly? Is Chris Rock a racist? Maybe the world 'thug' is a better way to describe a crack addict, gang banger? And on the subject of comedians, the Blue Collar Comedy guys seem to be proud of their redneck status...maybe they don't need you playing the pc police for them.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Stop trying to bait me, please. My whole point is that people play the PC police selectively. Why is it OK to use redneck but not other slurs?
Black people associate the word 'nigger' with the definition I described and take it as meaning all inclusive. That explains why they don't like white people calling them that. When other black people say the word, it is obvious they aren't meaning the whole race in most cases.
Redneck describes a certain aspect of ignorant type, uneducated people. They happen to be white most of the time but don't have to be to still fit the definition. So it's not a racial slur.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Ignorant, uneducated people happen to be white most of the time? I am going to assume you meant rednecks are a specific type of ignorant, uneducated person, who usually happens to be white. I can kind of see your point, but I still think the term basically does have a racial connatation. I read that wikipedia piece, and it mentions how the word is basically the same as "cracker", which is a racial slur usually used by black people to refer to whites.
And yes, I know some people embrace the redneck label. Some people embrace the term nigger, too.
Yes, that is what I meant.
I don't think of 'cracker' and 'redneck' as meaning the same thing, personally. I do see 'cracker' as a racial slur refering to white people.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I've always thought that Cracker was the word African-Americans used for whites.
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
Well, I'm poor, white and southern but I'm not a redneck....so I think it goes back to the 'dumb' thing as I stated before.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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