short 9/11 video (includes molten steel columns

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  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    jlew24asu wrote:
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    well, we really haven't even discussed the beams that look like that are cut at an angle with once melted steel surrounding the cut.

    so was the picture taken right after it happened or was it after they maybe had a chance to get in there and clean up?

    i think the 'maybe later' argument is weak b/c they probably would have cut it to the ground, right?

    then again: why would the firefighters be in the picture?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    ZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZz

    the combination of upper and lowercase Z's really make it...
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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    sonicreducer wrote:
    it seems like 60,000 extra pounds up against "however many pounds the trade centers weighed" is a pointless argument anyway. if it failed without the use of explosives, it seems like it was a flawed design regardless of the 60,000 extra lbs.

    Explosives were freaking used! I still can't believe people actually think this.
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  • MakingWaves
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Well from what I have provided, the planes can effectively have the same weight, or much lighter depending on the exact configuration (and payload), in the video it says the 767's were actually lighter. So how can something the tower is essentially designed for more or less completely obliterate it?

    You have your facts wrong somewhere. The planes that hit the WTC are heavier then what the building was designed for.
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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    austin wrote:
    Well, do some research. They were designed to do exactly what they did.

    Links please.
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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    The study they did of why the towers collapsed is not based on fact, they had to manipulate all the data they had to make it fit what actually happened.

    In other words they had to make 2+2=5.
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  • mookie9999
    mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    spiral out wrote:

    In other words they had to make 2+2=5.

    Sounds like the public skools here is the States.
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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    spiral out wrote:
    The study they did of why the towers collapsed is not based on fact, they had to manipulate all the data they had to make it fit what actually happened.

    In other words they had to make 2+2=5.

    The information I saw on why they collapsed seemed to based on engineering and physics.
    Some people will never be convinced and will always think there is a conspiracy with this. I can't understand why and reading about it just frustrates me anyway.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MakingWaves wrote:
    You have your facts wrong somewhere. The planes that hit the WTC are heavier then what the building was designed for.


    see post #48. I don't automatically consume every detail the media tells me, and process it as instant fact...
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MakingWaves wrote:
    The information I saw on why they collapsed seemed to based on engineering and physics.
    Some people will never be convinced and will always think there is a conspiracy with this. I can't understand why and reading about it just frustrates me anyway.

    seemed to be based on.... I love how vaguely approximate science is good enough for so many...
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  • Specifics
    Specifics Posts: 417
    therover wrote:
    Look around your home or office. Everything you see will burn at some point. Think about all the carpet, desk, chairs, drywall, ceiling tiles, paper (can you imagine the amounts of paper in that building!!), computers, printers, clothing, even the metal pieces that your desk drawers ride on will burn eventually.(Which by the way, might explain the molten medal pile they found under the rumble. Have they ever said that was actually molten steel?) There had to be tons of combustables(sp?) in that building.

    Dude seriously im looking around and i cant see any fuel that would not be consumed in a second by the sort of fire that would be produced by this thing. I seriously cant imagine there was enough fuel involved in this incident to maintain a fire of the magnitude it would take to melt steel. As far as i understand it there were very strict safety rules specific to flammable materials in this building, i mean of course there would be, you cant have the risk of fire in a place that is innaccessible at any speed where there are such a number of people. I just want to get to the truth on this and i would love nothing more than some one to say something that is reasonable to suggest it fell down at freefall speed into its own footprint because of this plane strike. But seriously look at it mate, its all pretty lame so far. But you know what, im not a US citizen and its not my country, sad for you that i dont think pretty much any other government in the World would dare to try and get away with what looks obvious to have happened, i certainly would have trouble believing it of anywhere else. But dude show me a real Fact that supports the official story.

    Show me one solid fact that supports the official story.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4039654&postcount=210
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Obey the media!

    pay your taxes!

    consume!
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:

    http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=4026073566596731782&hl=en-CA

    In the Video at 19 mins re: 707 impact v.s. 767

    Thanks Abook.
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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    Specifics wrote:
    Dude seriously im looking around and i cant see any fuel that would not be consumed in a second by the sort of fire that would be produced by this thing. I seriously cant imagine there was enough fuel involved in this incident to maintain a fire of the magnitude it would take to melt steel. As far as i understand it there were very strict safety rules specific to flammable materials in this building, i mean of course there would be, you cant have the risk of fire in a place that is innaccessible at any speed where there are such a number of people. I just want to get to the truth on this and i would love nothing more than some one to say something that is reasonable to suggest it fell down at freefall speed into its own footprint because of this plane strike. But seriously look at it mate, its all pretty lame so far. But you know what, im not a US citizen and its not my country, sad for you that i dont think pretty much any other government in the World would dare to try and get away with what looks obvious to have happened, i certainly would have trouble believing it of anywhere else. But dude show me a real Fact that supports the official story.

    Show me one solid fact that supports the official story.

    Have you seen ground zero? Why the hell do people think the building collapsed within its own footprint. I am out of this forum and tired of talking about this 9/11 conspiracy bullshit.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MakingWaves wrote:
    Have you seen ground zero? Why the hell do people think the building collapsed within its own footprint. I am out of this forum and tired of talking about this 9/11 conspiracy bullshit.

    I so love it when people stick their fingers in their ears and go la la la la I'm not listening....I'm right ...you're wrong....la la la la

    lol...
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  • Specifics
    Specifics Posts: 417
    jlew24asu wrote:
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    Has anyone heard from Jlew since he posted this? I think his boring ass hobby's put him in a coma.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Specifics wrote:
    Has anyone heard from Jlew since he posted this? I think his boring ass hobby's put him in a coma.

    oh man...I almost spit out what I was drinking.. :D:D
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  • Specifics
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    oh man...I almost spit out what I was drinking.. :D:D

    careful dude ;)
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Specifics wrote:
    careful dude ;)

    It was only orange juice... :D
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