the combination of upper and lowercase Z's really make it...
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it seems like 60,000 extra pounds up against "however many pounds the trade centers weighed" is a pointless argument anyway. if it failed without the use of explosives, it seems like it was a flawed design regardless of the 60,000 extra lbs.
Explosives were freaking used! I still can't believe people actually think this.
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Well from what I have provided, the planes can effectively have the same weight, or much lighter depending on the exact configuration (and payload), in the video it says the 767's were actually lighter. So how can something the tower is essentially designed for more or less completely obliterate it?
You have your facts wrong somewhere. The planes that hit the WTC are heavier then what the building was designed for.
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Well, do some research. They were designed to do exactly what they did.
Links please.
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The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
The study they did of why the towers collapsed is not based on fact, they had to manipulate all the data they had to make it fit what actually happened.
In other words they had to make 2+2=5.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
The study they did of why the towers collapsed is not based on fact, they had to manipulate all the data they had to make it fit what actually happened.
In other words they had to make 2+2=5.
The information I saw on why they collapsed seemed to based on engineering and physics.
Some people will never be convinced and will always think there is a conspiracy with this. I can't understand why and reading about it just frustrates me anyway.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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You have your facts wrong somewhere. The planes that hit the WTC are heavier then what the building was designed for.
see post #48. I don't automatically consume every detail the media tells me, and process it as instant fact...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The information I saw on why they collapsed seemed to based on engineering and physics.
Some people will never be convinced and will always think there is a conspiracy with this. I can't understand why and reading about it just frustrates me anyway.
seemed to be based on.... I love how vaguely approximate science is good enough for so many...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Look around your home or office. Everything you see will burn at some point. Think about all the carpet, desk, chairs, drywall, ceiling tiles, paper (can you imagine the amounts of paper in that building!!), computers, printers, clothing, even the metal pieces that your desk drawers ride on will burn eventually.(Which by the way, might explain the molten medal pile they found under the rumble. Have they ever said that was actually molten steel?) There had to be tons of combustables(sp?) in that building.
Dude seriously im looking around and i cant see any fuel that would not be consumed in a second by the sort of fire that would be produced by this thing. I seriously cant imagine there was enough fuel involved in this incident to maintain a fire of the magnitude it would take to melt steel. As far as i understand it there were very strict safety rules specific to flammable materials in this building, i mean of course there would be, you cant have the risk of fire in a place that is innaccessible at any speed where there are such a number of people. I just want to get to the truth on this and i would love nothing more than some one to say something that is reasonable to suggest it fell down at freefall speed into its own footprint because of this plane strike. But seriously look at it mate, its all pretty lame so far. But you know what, im not a US citizen and its not my country, sad for you that i dont think pretty much any other government in the World would dare to try and get away with what looks obvious to have happened, i certainly would have trouble believing it of anywhere else. But dude show me a real Fact that supports the official story.
Show me one solid fact that supports the official story.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Dude seriously im looking around and i cant see any fuel that would not be consumed in a second by the sort of fire that would be produced by this thing. I seriously cant imagine there was enough fuel involved in this incident to maintain a fire of the magnitude it would take to melt steel. As far as i understand it there were very strict safety rules specific to flammable materials in this building, i mean of course there would be, you cant have the risk of fire in a place that is innaccessible at any speed where there are such a number of people. I just want to get to the truth on this and i would love nothing more than some one to say something that is reasonable to suggest it fell down at freefall speed into its own footprint because of this plane strike. But seriously look at it mate, its all pretty lame so far. But you know what, im not a US citizen and its not my country, sad for you that i dont think pretty much any other government in the World would dare to try and get away with what looks obvious to have happened, i certainly would have trouble believing it of anywhere else. But dude show me a real Fact that supports the official story.
Show me one solid fact that supports the official story.
Have you seen ground zero? Why the hell do people think the building collapsed within its own footprint. I am out of this forum and tired of talking about this 9/11 conspiracy bullshit.
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Have you seen ground zero? Why the hell do people think the building collapsed within its own footprint. I am out of this forum and tired of talking about this 9/11 conspiracy bullshit.
I so love it when people stick their fingers in their ears and go la la la la I'm not listening....I'm right ...you're wrong....la la la la
lol...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Has anyone heard from Jlew since he posted this? I think his boring ass hobby's put him in a coma.
oh man...I almost spit out what I was drinking..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I guess I'm having a hard time believing that all three WTC buildings fell straight down as if collapsed by demolition-style imploding. I can't believe they would be "designed to collapse" architecturally speaking that is.
My thoughts and speculations would lead me to believe that under such circumstances... the WTC's weren't hit by the planes to the extent that one would assume that some internal melting or structural weakening wouldn't have caused (especially the second plane that hit mostly right of center) some pitching or lean before collapse.
What I'm seeing always leads me to believe that these towers were imploded somehow. Just doesn't seem to make sence.
Nevertheless, it shouldn't be ignored...it needs to be questioned.
I guess I'm having a hard time believing that all three WTC buildings fell straight down as if collapsed by demolition-style imploding. I can't believe they would be "designed to collapse" architecturally speaking that is.
My thoughts and speculations would lead me to believe that under such circumstances... the WTC's weren't hit by the planes to the extent that one would assume that some internal melting or structural weakening wouldn't have caused (especially the second plane that hit mostly right of center) some pitching or lean before collapse.
What I'm seeing always leads me to believe that these towers were imploded somehow. Just doesn't seem to make sence.
Nevertheless, it shouldn't be ignored...it needs to be questioned.
Always question.
It's also interesting how the media showed the towers coming down again and again for what seemed like months to make people fumed enough until the War in Iraq started up. Instantly, overnight, it all magically disappeared, and the "you're either with us or against us" mindset was ingrained into society.
Honestly what Country should ever make a threat like that? If you're not with us...you're the enemy?
building #7's collapse, in reality, is essentially impossible to have occurred.
Why are we led to believe that steel frame concrete reinforced buildings all the sudden are these brittle, flimsy structures that are apt to collapse into finely pulverized dust?
It's fucking ludicrous. I don't know how the media did it, but they did, and somehow common sense went right out the window...
That's some pretty potent jet fuel I'd say...nothing a fully loaded 707 could ever accomplish with, in all reality, even more jet fuel than what actually hit the towers :rolleyes:
nucking futs!!
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The information I saw on why they collapsed seemed to based on engineering and physics.
Some people will never be convinced and will always think there is a conspiracy with this. I can't understand why and reading about it just frustrates me anyway.
They had to manipulate the data and keep manipulating to get it to collapse, because no matter what they tried it just wouldn't.
And some people will just believe anything their told without questioning the facts or looking into how they came to the conclusions they did and that frustrates me.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
They had to manipulate the data and keep manipulating to get it to collapse, because no matter what they tried it just wouldn't.
And some people will just believe anything their told without questioning the facts or looking into how they came to the conclusions they did and that frustrates me.
Ok, all of you conspiracy people are correct and all the respected engineers and college professors that offer logical explinations as to why they collapsed are wrong. Just keep telling yourselves that. The US media and the US government were able to put together the greatest conspiracy in the history of mankind that will never be able to be duplicated.
Just fucking ridiculous.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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Ok, all of you conspiracy people are correct and all the respected engineers and college professors that offer logical explinations as to why they collapsed are wrong. Just keep telling yourselves that. The US media and the US government were able to put together the greatest conspiracy in the history of mankind that will never be able to be duplicated.
Just fucking ridiculous.
Look at it more simply. The WTC buildings were over engineered to withstand anything you could throw at them. Including an airplane and jet fuel.
Over engineered. Let that sink in for a bit.
What hit the towers were well within design specs, below design specs actually.
An hour later the buildings are dust...not just collapsed...dust... with molten pools of metal that were still red hot a week later
right....sprinkle a little jet fuel and poof it's magic....gmafb...
....whatever you need to tell yourself...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Look at it more simply. The WTC buildings were over engineered to withstand anything you could throw at them. Including an airplane and jet fuel.
Over engineered. Let that sink in for a bit.
What hit the towers were well within design specs, below design specs actually.
An hour later the buildings are dust...not just collapsed...dust... with molten pools of metal that were still red hot a week later
right....sprinkle a little jet fuel and poof it's magic....gmafb...
....whatever you need to tell yourself...
I don't know where you get this information but the WTC towers were not designed to withstand a hit that they took. and by the way it wasn't just jet fuel burning once the freaking building caught on fire. I still don't see why people think this fire was basically cold.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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I don't know where you get this information but the WTC towers were not designed to withstand a hit that they took. and by the way it wasn't just jet fuel burning once the freaking building caught on fire. I still don't see why people think this fire was basically cold.
This is where a lot of people just gulped down what the media shit out.
The 767's were not at max weight capacity and fuel. The WTC buildings were designed for a fully loaded max capacity 707 which would have had MORE jet fuel than the 767's that hit WTC. A 707 can also go about 100 mph faster than a 767.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
This is where a lot of people just gulped down what the media shit out.
The 767's were not at max weight capacity and fuel. The WTC buildings were designed for a fully loaded max capacity 707 which would have had MORE jet fuel than the 767's that hit WTC.
Ok, so you really believe that the government was able to get the media involved with this conspiracy also. So that would mean thousands of people are in on this cover up.
Now tell me what is wrong with the following.
"FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."
"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.
But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.
"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."
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Ok, so you really believe that the government was able to get the media involved with this conspiracy also. So that would mean thousands of people are in on this cover up.
Now tell me what is wrong with the following.
"FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."
"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.
But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.
"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."
The bottom line is that we were made to believe a 707 is not comparable to a 767 which is what hit the towers. I'm saying in reality the building was totally designed to handle this and should have. It's simple to think about.
They were over engineered and designed for exactly what hit them. Actually more than what hit them.
So address that logic and mindset first before you start digesting all the gov't reports which are essentially flawed and grossly inadequate.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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well, we really haven't even discussed the beams that look like that are cut at an angle with once melted steel surrounding the cut.
so was the picture taken right after it happened or was it after they maybe had a chance to get in there and clean up?
i think the 'maybe later' argument is weak b/c they probably would have cut it to the ground, right?
then again: why would the firefighters be in the picture?
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the combination of upper and lowercase Z's really make it...
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Explosives were freaking used! I still can't believe people actually think this.
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You have your facts wrong somewhere. The planes that hit the WTC are heavier then what the building was designed for.
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Links please.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
In other words they had to make 2+2=5.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Sounds like the public skools here is the States.
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
The information I saw on why they collapsed seemed to based on engineering and physics.
Some people will never be convinced and will always think there is a conspiracy with this. I can't understand why and reading about it just frustrates me anyway.
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see post #48. I don't automatically consume every detail the media tells me, and process it as instant fact...
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seemed to be based on.... I love how vaguely approximate science is good enough for so many...
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Dude seriously im looking around and i cant see any fuel that would not be consumed in a second by the sort of fire that would be produced by this thing. I seriously cant imagine there was enough fuel involved in this incident to maintain a fire of the magnitude it would take to melt steel. As far as i understand it there were very strict safety rules specific to flammable materials in this building, i mean of course there would be, you cant have the risk of fire in a place that is innaccessible at any speed where there are such a number of people. I just want to get to the truth on this and i would love nothing more than some one to say something that is reasonable to suggest it fell down at freefall speed into its own footprint because of this plane strike. But seriously look at it mate, its all pretty lame so far. But you know what, im not a US citizen and its not my country, sad for you that i dont think pretty much any other government in the World would dare to try and get away with what looks obvious to have happened, i certainly would have trouble believing it of anywhere else. But dude show me a real Fact that supports the official story.
Show me one solid fact that supports the official story.
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In the Video at 19 mins re: 707 impact v.s. 767
Thanks Abook.
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Have you seen ground zero? Why the hell do people think the building collapsed within its own footprint. I am out of this forum and tired of talking about this 9/11 conspiracy bullshit.
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I so love it when people stick their fingers in their ears and go la la la la I'm not listening....I'm right ...you're wrong....la la la la
lol...
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Has anyone heard from Jlew since he posted this? I think his boring ass hobby's put him in a coma.
oh man...I almost spit out what I was drinking..
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careful dude
It was only orange juice...
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My thoughts and speculations would lead me to believe that under such circumstances... the WTC's weren't hit by the planes to the extent that one would assume that some internal melting or structural weakening wouldn't have caused (especially the second plane that hit mostly right of center) some pitching or lean before collapse.
What I'm seeing always leads me to believe that these towers were imploded somehow. Just doesn't seem to make sence.
Nevertheless, it shouldn't be ignored...it needs to be questioned.
Always question.
It's also interesting how the media showed the towers coming down again and again for what seemed like months to make people fumed enough until the War in Iraq started up. Instantly, overnight, it all magically disappeared, and the "you're either with us or against us" mindset was ingrained into society.
Honestly what Country should ever make a threat like that? If you're not with us...you're the enemy?
building #7's collapse, in reality, is essentially impossible to have occurred.
Why are we led to believe that steel frame concrete reinforced buildings all the sudden are these brittle, flimsy structures that are apt to collapse into finely pulverized dust?
It's fucking ludicrous. I don't know how the media did it, but they did, and somehow common sense went right out the window...
That's some pretty potent jet fuel I'd say...nothing a fully loaded 707 could ever accomplish with, in all reality, even more jet fuel than what actually hit the towers :rolleyes:
nucking futs!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzOuyin_2as
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They had to manipulate the data and keep manipulating to get it to collapse, because no matter what they tried it just wouldn't.
And some people will just believe anything their told without questioning the facts or looking into how they came to the conclusions they did and that frustrates me.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Ok, all of you conspiracy people are correct and all the respected engineers and college professors that offer logical explinations as to why they collapsed are wrong. Just keep telling yourselves that. The US media and the US government were able to put together the greatest conspiracy in the history of mankind that will never be able to be duplicated.
Just fucking ridiculous.
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Look at it more simply. The WTC buildings were over engineered to withstand anything you could throw at them. Including an airplane and jet fuel.
Over engineered. Let that sink in for a bit.
What hit the towers were well within design specs, below design specs actually.
An hour later the buildings are dust...not just collapsed...dust... with molten pools of metal that were still red hot a week later
right....sprinkle a little jet fuel and poof it's magic....gmafb...
....whatever you need to tell yourself...
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I don't know where you get this information but the WTC towers were not designed to withstand a hit that they took. and by the way it wasn't just jet fuel burning once the freaking building caught on fire. I still don't see why people think this fire was basically cold.
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This is where a lot of people just gulped down what the media shit out.
The 767's were not at max weight capacity and fuel. The WTC buildings were designed for a fully loaded max capacity 707 which would have had MORE jet fuel than the 767's that hit WTC. A 707 can also go about 100 mph faster than a 767.
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Ok, so you really believe that the government was able to get the media involved with this conspiracy also. So that would mean thousands of people are in on this cover up.
Now tell me what is wrong with the following.
"FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."
"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.
But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.
"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."
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The bottom line is that we were made to believe a 707 is not comparable to a 767 which is what hit the towers. I'm saying in reality the building was totally designed to handle this and should have. It's simple to think about.
They were over engineered and designed for exactly what hit them. Actually more than what hit them.
So address that logic and mindset first before you start digesting all the gov't reports which are essentially flawed and grossly inadequate.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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