The Final Debate Thread

jked3 · October 2008

MayDay10 wrote:

I was flipping around a number of things during the debate.

I think I heard that McCain wants to bring troops home and give tem jobs as teachers without training.
Is thsi true?

He said we should put our military people to work as teachers without having to take all the (scoffing) exams and getting the (scoffing) certifications.

It made me and my wife (a teacher) almost throw up. I completely support our military (though not the war) but just putting them to work as teachers without having passed the tests and gotten their certifications is just foolish.

cincybearcat · October 2008

inmytree wrote:

and when did it become a bad thing to be eloquent...?

It's not. McCain was trying to show that Obama talks around issues and tells 1/2 truths and hides it with elequence....a decent point really.

jdr3777 · October 2008

prytoj wrote:

I hope you're wrong, but the silver lining there is Paul '12 when this next four years of bumbling incompetence we'll call the Obama years wakes people up for once.

Are You kidding me?Ron paul will be close to 80 in 2012.

inmytree · October 2008

cincybearcat wrote:

It's not. McCain was trying to show that Obama talks around issues and tells 1/2 truths and hides it with elequence....a decent point really.

oh, I didn't see it that way...I saw it as McCain implying it was a bad thing, implying that Obama is a smartypants elitist....if he want to call him out on the 1/2 thing, which McCain is a big fan of....the should have done so, imo...

jked3 · October 2008

lastexit78 wrote:

...Problem is that he's down by 20 with 3 minutes to go. Meanwhile Obama just keeps hitting jumpers in his face....

cincybearcat · October 2008

inmytree wrote:

oh, I didn't see it that way...I saw it as McCain implying it was a bad thing, implying that Obama is a smartypants elitist....if he want to call him out on the 1/2 thing, which McCain is a big fan of....the should have done so, imo...

I thought he did. Goes to show how much of what you hear is what you expect to hear and what you want to hear, not what's actually said...

I wonder which one of us is more right on this issue.

cincybearcat · October 2008

dream_on_it wrote:

imho, Obama seemed to address the issues and McCain seemed like a whiner.

I saw it as McCain finally taking a strong stance and Obama skirting the truths again...now if McCain had some good solid plans to back up his positions, i'd vote for that McCain.

digster · October 2008

jked3 wrote:

He said we should put our military people to work as teachers without having to take all the (scoffing) exams and getting the (scoffing) certifications.

It made me and my wife (a teacher) almost throw up. I completely support our military (though not the war) but just putting them to work as teachers without having passed the tests and gotten their certifications is just foolish.

I didn't pick up on that during the debate. That idea makes absolutely no sense to me. How would army officers with no training, no testing and no certification be able to adequately teach students? Also, how would they handle career advancement? Better-paying schools might not consider teachers with no certification or training. Senseless idea.

inmytree · October 2008

cincybearcat wrote:

I thought he did. Goes to show how much of what you hear is what you expect to hear and what you want to hear, not what's actually said...

I wonder which one of us is more right on this issue.

Of course you know I'm right...;)

seriously, I do agree with your point that we hear what we want to hear...perhaps I was picking up on McCain's non-verbals more that his words....he appeared flustered and angry....

I watched the debate on Cspan, I didn't want to get caught up with those stupid squiggly lines on CNN, and Cspan showed the split screen of the entire debate. Based on what I saw, it's safe to say the McCain pulled an Gore, huffin' and a puffin' and a growlin'....

jked3 · October 2008

cincybearcat wrote:

If McCain could have be more clear and not stumbled when talking abotu Judges and a few other topics, it would have been a huge victory for him.

I thought he was absolutley clear when discussing potential Supreme Court Justice appointments at least in regards to Roe vs. Wade. McCain said he will have no "litmus test" for Judges and will base his appointments on experience, judgement, and qualifications. When pressed by the moderator to answer the question "Could you appoint Judges who support Roe vs. Wade," McCain said that Judges who support Roe vs. Wade are NOT qualified.

WTF is that? That statement somehow got lost and not brought up again as they immediately cut back to Obama. That's fucking alarming.

acoustic guy · October 2008

MCCain blew it. He is finished. God help us all.

jeffbr · October 2008

digster wrote:

Funny that you use Warren Buffet as the example for being full of shit on this issue, since he is one of the few multi-millioniares that is completely NOT full of shit on this point. Case in point:

http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/25/magazines/fortune/charity1.fortune/

The full of shit comment was about him claiming he doesn't pay enough taxes. I completely admire his business and investing acumen, and his charitable giving. But saying that the government isn't taking enough from his is bullshit, since as I said, if he felt strongly enough that that were actually the case, he could simply write a bigger check. What your link has done is validate my point. Rather than give his fortune to the government to redistribute, he has chosen, of his own accord, to give it to the Gates Foundation, which has a record of effective and efficient giving. So apparently Buffet really doesn't trust the government to do that properly, and at the same time calls for it to do more of it? That is where my horseshit comment comes from.

polaris · October 2008

wow ... no amount of make up is gonna conceal the fact this guy is OLD ... really, do you want someone that old to run the country?? ... forget about palin possibly becoming prez ... just at his age - there's no way he's gonna be able to handle the rigours of the job (unless he plans to "work" out of his ranch like W) ...

jeffbr · October 2008

Kann wrote:

Has there ever been a time in american history (after the independance) when there was no taxes at all?
(This is a serious question btw)

Probably not, but my focus is on income tax. There was some income tax paid during the civil war, but the income tax we know today only came about in 1913 as a result of the 16th Ammendment. So for most of the history of this country, we didn't pay an income tax.

SoonForgotten2 · October 2008

acoustic guy wrote:

MCCain blew it. He is finished. God help us all.

God help us all? Where have you been the past eight years? I guess you really are new to politics.

acoustic guy · October 2008

nd want to pr-

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

God help us all? Where have you been the past eight years? I guess you really are new to politics.

It s funny, I am the only one in here who admits that I am new to politics, and all of you are experts. Even the ones who are a lot younger then me are all experts. Truth? Your are full of shit and you know it.
At least i am honest about who I am. I don't live a bullshit life on the internet.

SoonForgotten2 · October 2008

acoustic guy wrote:

nd want to pr-
It s funny, I am the only one in here who admits that I am new to politics, and all of you are experts. Even the ones who are a lot younger then me are all experts. Truth? Your are full of shit and you know it.
At least i am honest about who I am. I don't live a bullshit life on the internet.

You admit you're new, yet you bang on in such a dramtic fashion while expecting to be taken seriously? It's just too funny. I never claimed to be an expect, but I certainly don't need to be one to call someone on bullshit. You make yourself too easy a target.

Prior to the debate last night, someone on CNN.com was interviewing an undecided voter, a owman, who said that while she disagreed with Palin on her abortion stance, she felt that she could identify with her. Why? One of the first reason out of her mouth was that she graduated high school the same year as she did.

Sorry, anyone who displays such a shallow understanding of politics whilst upon their soapbox deserves to be called out. I don't care what side they're on. If you can admit that you're new and have a lot to learn, maybe you should hold off on the extreme doomsday comments. Just a suggestion.

faithful2you · October 2008

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Can Obama land the knock-out punch?

Stay tuned...

No matter what side you are on or what your beliefs are. McCain won this debate easily. Obama was struggling a lot of the time. Just an objective review.

Obama is a very good speaker and usually comes back to McCain's comments strong but I have to say, I'm tired of him always going back to the "last 8 years" or the "last 4 years". Is he running against Bush or McCain?

I have a feeling that McCain picked up a lot of undecided voters last night.

polaris · October 2008

acoustic guy wrote:

nd want to pr-
It s funny, I am the only one in here who admits that I am new to politics, and all of you are experts. Even the ones who are a lot younger then me are all experts. Truth? Your are full of shit and you know it.
At least i am honest about who I am. I don't live a bullshit life on the internet.

seriously dude ... we all can learn more but what hurts you is you post stuff like obama is a socialist ... he is nowhere close to being a socialist and all it shows is that you are reading conservative right wing sites who focus more on semantics rather than the issues ... which should be your priority ...

mccain's focus on bill ayers just shows how little substance he has ... his way of electing himself is to cast dubious claims on someone that absolutely has no relevance ...

MayDay10 · October 2008

I also noticed that McCain said that Palin knows 'all about autism', probably referring to the fact that she has a baby with down syndrome. The two couldnt be more different. I know some parents who have to deal with autism, and my girlfriend works with autistic children. I am sure that this ignorant comment by McCain enraged a lot of parents.
And what autistic children are brought to town hall meetings?

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