Funny that you use Warren Buffet as the example for being full of shit on this issue, since he is one of the few multi-millioniares that is completely NOT full of shit on this point. Case in point:
The full of shit comment was about him claiming he doesn't pay enough taxes. I completely admire his business and investing acumen, and his charitable giving. But saying that the government isn't taking enough from his is bullshit, since as I said, if he felt strongly enough that that were actually the case, he could simply write a bigger check. What your link has done is validate my point. Rather than give his fortune to the government to redistribute, he has chosen, of his own accord, to give it to the Gates Foundation, which has a record of effective and efficient giving. So apparently Buffet really doesn't trust the government to do that properly, and at the same time calls for it to do more of it? That is where my horseshit comment comes from.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
wow ... no amount of make up is gonna conceal the fact this guy is OLD ... really, do you want someone that old to run the country?? ... forget about palin possibly becoming prez ... just at his age - there's no way he's gonna be able to handle the rigours of the job (unless he plans to "work" out of his ranch like W) ...
Has there ever been a time in american history (after the independance) when there was no taxes at all?
(This is a serious question btw)
Probably not, but my focus is on income tax. There was some income tax paid during the civil war, but the income tax we know today only came about in 1913 as a result of the 16th Ammendment. So for most of the history of this country, we didn't pay an income tax.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
God help us all? Where have you been the past eight years? I guess you really are new to politics.
It s funny, I am the only one in here who admits that I am new to politics, and all of you are experts. Even the ones who are a lot younger then me are all experts. Truth? Your are full of shit and you know it.
At least i am honest about who I am. I don't live a bullshit life on the internet.
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Sweep the Leg Johnny.
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It s funny, I am the only one in here who admits that I am new to politics, and all of you are experts. Even the ones who are a lot younger then me are all experts. Truth? Your are full of shit and you know it.
At least i am honest about who I am. I don't live a bullshit life on the internet.
You admit you're new, yet you bang on in such a dramtic fashion while expecting to be taken seriously? It's just too funny. I never claimed to be an expect, but I certainly don't need to be one to call someone on bullshit. You make yourself too easy a target.
Prior to the debate last night, someone on CNN.com was interviewing an undecided voter, a owman, who said that while she disagreed with Palin on her abortion stance, she felt that she could identify with her. Why? One of the first reason out of her mouth was that she graduated high school the same year as she did.
Sorry, anyone who displays such a shallow understanding of politics whilst upon their soapbox deserves to be called out. I don't care what side they're on. If you can admit that you're new and have a lot to learn, maybe you should hold off on the extreme doomsday comments. Just a suggestion.
No matter what side you are on or what your beliefs are. McCain won this debate easily. Obama was struggling a lot of the time. Just an objective review.
Obama is a very good speaker and usually comes back to McCain's comments strong but I have to say, I'm tired of him always going back to the "last 8 years" or the "last 4 years". Is he running against Bush or McCain?
I have a feeling that McCain picked up a lot of undecided voters last night.
Like a word misplaced...nothing said...what a waste
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It s funny, I am the only one in here who admits that I am new to politics, and all of you are experts. Even the ones who are a lot younger then me are all experts. Truth? Your are full of shit and you know it.
At least i am honest about who I am. I don't live a bullshit life on the internet.
seriously dude ... we all can learn more but what hurts you is you post stuff like obama is a socialist ... he is nowhere close to being a socialist and all it shows is that you are reading conservative right wing sites who focus more on semantics rather than the issues ... which should be your priority ...
mccain's focus on bill ayers just shows how little substance he has ... his way of electing himself is to cast dubious claims on someone that absolutely has no relevance ...
I also noticed that McCain said that Palin knows 'all about autism', probably referring to the fact that she has a baby with down syndrome. The two couldnt be more different. I know some parents who have to deal with autism, and my girlfriend works with autistic children. I am sure that this ignorant comment by McCain enraged a lot of parents.
And what autistic children are brought to town hall meetings?
Uncommitted voters named Barack Obama as the winner of the third and final presidential debate by a large margin, according to a CBS News/Knowledge Networks poll.
A majority of debate watchers think Sen. Barack Obama won the third and final presidential debate, according to a national poll conducted right afterward.
Fifty-eight percent of debate watchers questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll said Democratic candidate Obama did the best job in the debate, with 31 percent saying Republican Sen. John McCain performed best.
Forty-nine percent of respondents said that Obama won the debate, compared to 46 who believed his opponent, Sen. John McCain, came out on top. The three-point gap separating the two candidates was equal to the poll’s margin of error. Five percent said they were unsure which candidate had the better evening.
I saw it as McCain finally taking a strong stance and Obama skirting the truths again...now if McCain had some good solid plans to back up his positions, i'd vote for that McCain.
Apparently a lot of people (including my husband) saw it the same way you did...? I know I am biased towards Obama, but am I really so biased that I am the only one who saw McCain as whiney? (ie: Obama didn't agree to do 10 town hall meetings like McCain wanted, so that is why McCain started negative ads?) And I thought McCain, when he wasn't whining, was skirting the truths. (How can a new tax on healthcare not be an increase in taxes? How can veterans teach and improve our school system if they have no teacher training/certification?)
I am not very eloquent so I hope that made sense. And, I love Cincinnati! Wish I was there!
No matter what side you are on or what your beliefs are. McCain won this debate easily. Obama was struggling a lot of the time. Just an objective review.
Obama is a very good speaker and usually comes back to McCain's comments strong but I have to say, I'm tired of him always going back to the "last 8 years" or the "last 4 years". Is he running against Bush or McCain?
I have a feeling that McCain picked up a lot of undecided voters last night.
I think McCain winning is arguable. Even if he didn't it wasn't easily and I don't think he'll have gained much, if any, ground. His composure was pretty awful. He came across as desperate at times. Honestly, I don't think he projects himself as a confident leader, whatsoever. Obama, meanwhile, didn't need to take any risks last night and held his ground. He wouldn't have benefitted much from attacking as McCain did. I think the past 8 years are terribly relevant and Obama is right to address that. How much of where we are today is due to the past 8 years? He may not be running against Bush, but he is running against the Republicans who are largely at fault (not that the Dems have been more than useless mind, but don't expect Obama to admit that).
For all the experience McCain has, Obama has made him look second rate in presentation. Now whether you agree or disagree, I think that goes a long way- especially with the US and the global economy in the condition it is.
Obama came out really flat at the begining and was on defence for most of the first part of the debate.
I gotta say...McCain stopped Obama dead in his tracks with the whole:
"I'm not George Bush...Mr. Obama if you want to run against George W Bush, You should have run 4 years ago".
As much as I loath John McCain, I give him credit on that one...It was a total burn, and It really knocked Obama against the ropes.
But that being said...Once the smoke cleared, it was obvious once again that John McCain really doesn't have either the plan or temperment to lead the United States for the next 4 years.
The whole McCain demanding an apology from Obama over something that
A REPUBLICAN SAID was just ridiculous. McCain kept pressing Obama on the AYERS issue and ACORN even after Obama had already addressed it. It was like he wasn't even listening.
McCain just kept blabbering on and on trying to bait Obama, and as the debate wore on it was clear that McCain had nothing. Obama just kept his cool and really made McCain look like a crochety old fool.
McCain's body language was hilarious. He could barely contain his anger. You just see the utter contempt that he has for Obama and the total fustration as he realized that he's fighting a losing battle. McCain knows he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning this election and it just burns him up inside.
Senator McCain looked terrible. Old, angry and weary. He is looking more and more like Palpatine every day. It was interesting to see Obama take the high ground when asked about his thoughts towards Sarah Palin. History has shown that she has been more than keen over the last few weeks to fire up her supporters with ridiculous comments relating to Obama. It's good to see that he didn't revert to her style because people can see right through it.
(How can a new tax on healthcare not be an increase in taxes?
McCain has just done a really poor job explaining his healthcare plan.
Let's use Obama's example of 12,000 a year for health insurance he reference last night. Now yes that 12,000 would be taxed and let's say the income tax bracket the family is at the $75,000 level.
The family would be taxed at 28% for the $12,000 a year insurance plan which is $3,360.
But under McCain's plan, the family gets $5,000 and in the end winds up plus $1,640.
McCain has just failed to explain this ever and I think if people actually understood his plan he would be doing better in regards to the healthcare issue.
I know under McCain's plan, I would do a lot better in terms of healthcare than under Obama's.
This debate had the worst moderator of all of them. He kept letting McCain get the last word on nearly every question. In spite of that I think Obama still did a better job there.
McCain has just done a really poor job explaining his healthcare plan.
Let's use Obama's example of 12,000 a year for health insurance he reference last night. Now yes that 12,000 would be taxed and let's say the income tax bracket the family is at the $75,000 level.
The family would be taxed at 28% for the $12,000 a year insurance plan which is $3,360.
But under McCain's plan, the family gets $5,000 and in the end winds up plus $1,640.
McCain has just failed to explain this ever and I think if people actually understood his plan he would be doing better in regards to the healthcare issue.
I know under McCain's plan, I would do a lot better in terms of healthcare than under Obama's.
Thank you for the explanation, that makes a little more sense to me now. However, I am still concerned because so many employers around here are no longer able to provide insurance because it is too expensive. So in that case, under McCain's plan I would get $5000.00 to buy my own insurance? Where do I get the additional $7000.00 needed?
My father grew up in very shitty circumstances in the projects in New York City. Mind you, we are White, not Black or any other minority. Were he still in that position today he'd benefit very much from Mr. Obama's plan. But he still doesn't support Obama. My dad worked his ass off, went to law school, made his way into the mid to upper Middle Class. He's not rich by any means, even now. But he understands how capitalism and free enterprise works. As regrettable as it is that people have to suffer in poverty, people's money is still their property, and, therefore, theirs to own. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the government has a right to seize anyone's property and give it to others. In fact, after my dad worked as hard as he did, he may wind up now paying higher taxes on the money he worked hard to earn. That's just not right. Everyone has an equal opportunity to advance in our society. People who don't take advantage of the opportunity should not be bailed out by the government.
Hmm, eminent domain.
Throw "eminent domain, Sarah Palin, and hockey arena" into a google news search and see what the constitution says about hockey moms. Really, put em in and hit enter. That woman is the scariest part of McCain!
I don't get it. How can you people be so fucking superficial? It's insanity. All I heard from most of you a few weeks ago is that they need to address the issues. Now, when they are addressing the issues, you start talking about how they look and how many times they blinked. You're seriously gonna let the fate of the country lie in the balance of who reacted nicer or who blinked less?? Are you clinging that desperately to Obama that now the only way you can justify why you still support him is because he didn't blink as much?
The guy's a fricken socialist, Obama that is. "Spread the wealth around." Direct quote. If that's not Socialism, I don't know what the fuck is!! And if you think people's money should be taken for no reason and given to other people for no reason you're insane. That's the most un-American thing I've ever heard a politician say. It doesn't matter what the reason is, people still have a right to their own property, and the government has no right to take it and give it to others, no matter how poor those others are. We are violating basic rights here.
Well that's exactly what McCain wants to do too. With this whole mortgage crisis and his ideas of the bail out/rescue plan. Tax payers are going to bail out all the people who made horrible home buying decisions. You have people that wanted to live their $1.5 million house dream. When all they really could afford was a 300K home but they just had to keep up with the Jones! Well their 1.5 million dream is becoming my nightmare.
So are they going to restructure my mortgage so that I am paying the actual market price for my home? Don't think so. I made a decision to buy my home with a price that we felt that we could afford, it was still way too much, but we tried not to live outside our means. I get nothing from this package! Other than increased taxes picking up the mess that was created, the fear that my husband could lose his job, and interest rates through the roof. You're damn right I want the wealthy to pay up. They have been subjected to loop holes, tax breaks, tax credits you name it. All I have been subject to is more increases in what I pay out ,and no increases to what I get paid in. So both guys in one way or another want to spread the wealth around.
You know I was on fence for a long time. It wasn't until McCain picked Palin for his running mate, that's when I said enough's enough. And seeing how he was acting last night was a clear indication that he is not level headed enough to run a country. Honestly, if he can not handle a debate without rolling his eyes or interrupting, blinking, or whatever you want to call his behavior last night. How on earth is he going to handle the pressure of talking to another country during any other type of crisis.
Seriously. His behavior last night is an insight to how this guy ticks. I do not find it as petty as you, that people are talking about this over topics that face this nation. I think it is a true picture of the 2 people we have as our choices. And last night the choice become a whole lot clearer for most of the undecided votes.
Thank you for the explanation, that makes a little more sense to me now. However, I am still concerned because so many employers around here are no longer able to provide insurance because it is too expensive. So in that case, under McCain's plan I would get $5000.00 to buy my own insurance? Where do I get the additional $7000.00 needed?
That is the problem with McCain's plan. It is the end of employer based health care. Once this $5K "tax break" goes to the individual and tax breaks are taken away from businesses, what incentive does a business have to provide health care to its employees? I work for a small business that now covers 100% of my health care (I use to pay 100% of it and it is $12K/year). Under McCain's plan, I suspect my employer will stop paying 100% immediately (and he supports McCain :eek: ). You will have that $7K shortfall that Obama described. McCain's single payer health care model will lead to soaring costs and leave even more people without coverage.
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Thank you for the explanation, that makes a little more sense to me now. However, I am still concerned because so many employers around here are no longer able to provide insurance because it is too expensive. So in that case, under McCain's plan I would get $5000.00 to buy my own insurance? Where do I get the additional $7000.00 needed?
Well if your employer wasn't giving you insurance benefits, you would shop around to find a cheaper policy that the $5,000 could help you afford. Under McCain's policy you could buy insurance in any state so say health insurance is cheaper in Montana than in NY, you could buy a policy there and pay cheaper premiums than you would if you had to use an instate insurance company and still see your same doctors. McCain doesn't believe in universal healthcare. He thinks the government should be out of it.
But if you were already paying $12,000 already and would be doing so going forward, under McCain's plan, you would be paying about $10,500 now.
Mind you, I'm not voting for McCain because I think we need less gov and am voting Libertarian. But that's how I understand his policy.
Does this mean it's the final debate... OR... the final debate THREAD?
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His behavior last night is an insight to how this guy ticks. I do not find it as petty as you, that people are talking about this over topics that face this nation. I think it is a true picture of the 2 people we have as our choices. And last night the choice become a whole lot clearer for most of the undecided votes.
Just my 2 cents.
His behavior is more a reflection of his frustration at how un-genuine Obama is.
The difficulty surrounding the issue of health care is that personally I feel Senator Obama's proposal have been successfully defined by the McCain campaign as being a "universal" (i.e. entirely government-run) health care system. It's not the case, but what's troubling about that argument is that it sets up a false choice that the American people have to make between completely private health care industry and a government-mandated health care industry under the direct and total auspices of the federal government. The truth is that there is a compromise, and Obama's plan sits between the two whereas McCain is primarily in the typically conservative absolutely no regulation camp. Obama's plan is not government-run or mandated; there will be no free health care coverage, and people will be able to keep their coverage if they prefer it. There will be more government regulation, there's no doubt about that, but the sobering statistics prove we need it.
Personally, I'm libertarian in the sense that I feel the government should only be involved in the so-called private sector if and only if 1) the program or "goods" are necessary for the general welfare of the American people and 2) the private sector has proven to be inadequate to the challenge. I don't see how anyone could argue that the 'health care' industry fits both of those. When 1 in 6 Americans are without any health care coverage (quick math; about 47(?) million without coverage with approximately 300 million Americans), that is not 'the nature of capitalism' or how private industry operates. That's a glaring failure. Unfortunately, a lot of McCain's health care policies do not add up; he wants strict de-regulation, but he wants to enforce coverage that travels with a person from job-to-job; how will he do the latter without regulation? Obama plans to do the same thing, but at least he's honest about how he intends to do it (with regulation); McCain's offered no such solution.
Plus, it's hard to see how McCain's plan will alleviate the glaring problem of Americans without health care coverage, since practically every watchdog agency (that is liberal AND non-partisan) who have analyzed the two plans say that the number of uninsured will increase under McCain's plan. That's exacerbating the main problem that health care policy needs to solve! Under McCain's plan, there is no regulation that states that insurance companies cannot continue to cherry pick their preferred patients on the basis of pre-existing conditions. That means patients who need the coverage most will continue to be denied. With all this in mind, what exactly is it that the McCain plan intends to fix?
The problem, in the end, I feel, with McCain's plan is that, at it's core, it is basing it's success on the assurance that by increasing competition, and by letting the free market reign in the industry, capitalism will lower the costs. Problem is, that hasn't happened. We've been trying it for quite a while and when the dust has settled we have 47 million people without coverage. Capitalism and free market are not going to be the cure, because at it's core capitalism is concerned with profit and financial success to alleviate the nation (and I'm no socialist; I think overall capitalism is the way to go, but it does have problem spots like this). The thing about this is that it's not in the financial interest of companies to offer extensive, necessary coverage; a health care insurance corporation is not going to lower their costs for 'the good of the people.' That's not how a corporation, by definition, works. Although I'm never crazy about government intervention, there's been no better viable option offered. And McCain wants to keep it how it is, only more so. Unless you feel like health care has been ruined by the extremely limited government intervention that is in place, I don't see how that is a successful approach.
I definetely get this feeling that McCain thinks that Obama is 'beneath' him (and for God's sake, I don't mean in a racial sense). It seems to me that he feels, for lack of a better word, a sense of entitlement. I've been in the Senate for decades, served my country and this young yuppie from Chicago is going to come and win what I deserve? I mean, this is only a possibility, but it's clear that McCain clearly does not like Obama as a person.
Look at the record. See to whole picture. Vote with your head.
OK, this is starting to get a little irritating; we're voting with our heads, thank you very much. Although I think you're wrong to vote for McCain, I respect that your thought process and ideology has led you to that choice. I think you should grow up a little and offer me and other Obama supporters a bit of that same respect.
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Sweep the Leg Johnny.
The full of shit comment was about him claiming he doesn't pay enough taxes. I completely admire his business and investing acumen, and his charitable giving. But saying that the government isn't taking enough from his is bullshit, since as I said, if he felt strongly enough that that were actually the case, he could simply write a bigger check. What your link has done is validate my point. Rather than give his fortune to the government to redistribute, he has chosen, of his own accord, to give it to the Gates Foundation, which has a record of effective and efficient giving. So apparently Buffet really doesn't trust the government to do that properly, and at the same time calls for it to do more of it? That is where my horseshit comment comes from.
Probably not, but my focus is on income tax. There was some income tax paid during the civil war, but the income tax we know today only came about in 1913 as a result of the 16th Ammendment. So for most of the history of this country, we didn't pay an income tax.
God help us all? Where have you been the past eight years? I guess you really are new to politics.
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At least i am honest about who I am. I don't live a bullshit life on the internet.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
You admit you're new, yet you bang on in such a dramtic fashion while expecting to be taken seriously? It's just too funny. I never claimed to be an expect, but I certainly don't need to be one to call someone on bullshit. You make yourself too easy a target.
Prior to the debate last night, someone on CNN.com was interviewing an undecided voter, a owman, who said that while she disagreed with Palin on her abortion stance, she felt that she could identify with her. Why? One of the first reason out of her mouth was that she graduated high school the same year as she did.
Sorry, anyone who displays such a shallow understanding of politics whilst upon their soapbox deserves to be called out. I don't care what side they're on. If you can admit that you're new and have a lot to learn, maybe you should hold off on the extreme doomsday comments. Just a suggestion.
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No matter what side you are on or what your beliefs are. McCain won this debate easily. Obama was struggling a lot of the time. Just an objective review.
Obama is a very good speaker and usually comes back to McCain's comments strong but I have to say, I'm tired of him always going back to the "last 8 years" or the "last 4 years". Is he running against Bush or McCain?
I have a feeling that McCain picked up a lot of undecided voters last night.
seriously dude ... we all can learn more but what hurts you is you post stuff like obama is a socialist ... he is nowhere close to being a socialist and all it shows is that you are reading conservative right wing sites who focus more on semantics rather than the issues ... which should be your priority ...
mccain's focus on bill ayers just shows how little substance he has ... his way of electing himself is to cast dubious claims on someone that absolutely has no relevance ...
And what autistic children are brought to town hall meetings?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/16/politics/2008debates/main4525289.shtml
Uncommitted voters named Barack Obama as the winner of the third and final presidential debate by a large margin, according to a CBS News/Knowledge Networks poll.
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/15/debate.poll/index.html
A majority of debate watchers think Sen. Barack Obama won the third and final presidential debate, according to a national poll conducted right afterward.
Fifty-eight percent of debate watchers questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll said Democratic candidate Obama did the best job in the debate, with 31 percent saying Republican Sen. John McCain performed best.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14618.html
Forty-nine percent of respondents said that Obama won the debate, compared to 46 who believed his opponent, Sen. John McCain, came out on top. The three-point gap separating the two candidates was equal to the poll’s margin of error. Five percent said they were unsure which candidate had the better evening.
Apparently a lot of people (including my husband) saw it the same way you did...? I know I am biased towards Obama, but am I really so biased that I am the only one who saw McCain as whiney? (ie: Obama didn't agree to do 10 town hall meetings like McCain wanted, so that is why McCain started negative ads?) And I thought McCain, when he wasn't whining, was skirting the truths. (How can a new tax on healthcare not be an increase in taxes? How can veterans teach and improve our school system if they have no teacher training/certification?)
I am not very eloquent so I hope that made sense. And, I love Cincinnati! Wish I was there!
I think McCain winning is arguable. Even if he didn't it wasn't easily and I don't think he'll have gained much, if any, ground. His composure was pretty awful. He came across as desperate at times. Honestly, I don't think he projects himself as a confident leader, whatsoever. Obama, meanwhile, didn't need to take any risks last night and held his ground. He wouldn't have benefitted much from attacking as McCain did. I think the past 8 years are terribly relevant and Obama is right to address that. How much of where we are today is due to the past 8 years? He may not be running against Bush, but he is running against the Republicans who are largely at fault (not that the Dems have been more than useless mind, but don't expect Obama to admit that).
For all the experience McCain has, Obama has made him look second rate in presentation. Now whether you agree or disagree, I think that goes a long way- especially with the US and the global economy in the condition it is.
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I gotta say...McCain stopped Obama dead in his tracks with the whole:
"I'm not George Bush...Mr. Obama if you want to run against George W Bush, You should have run 4 years ago".
As much as I loath John McCain, I give him credit on that one...It was a total burn, and It really knocked Obama against the ropes.
But that being said...Once the smoke cleared, it was obvious once again that John McCain really doesn't have either the plan or temperment to lead the United States for the next 4 years.
The whole McCain demanding an apology from Obama over something that
A REPUBLICAN SAID was just ridiculous. McCain kept pressing Obama on the AYERS issue and ACORN even after Obama had already addressed it. It was like he wasn't even listening.
McCain just kept blabbering on and on trying to bait Obama, and as the debate wore on it was clear that McCain had nothing. Obama just kept his cool and really made McCain look like a crochety old fool.
McCain's body language was hilarious. He could barely contain his anger. You just see the utter contempt that he has for Obama and the total fustration as he realized that he's fighting a losing battle. McCain knows he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning this election and it just burns him up inside.
McCain has just done a really poor job explaining his healthcare plan.
Let's use Obama's example of 12,000 a year for health insurance he reference last night. Now yes that 12,000 would be taxed and let's say the income tax bracket the family is at the $75,000 level.
The family would be taxed at 28% for the $12,000 a year insurance plan which is $3,360.
But under McCain's plan, the family gets $5,000 and in the end winds up plus $1,640.
McCain has just failed to explain this ever and I think if people actually understood his plan he would be doing better in regards to the healthcare issue.
I know under McCain's plan, I would do a lot better in terms of healthcare than under Obama's.
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Thank you for the explanation, that makes a little more sense to me now. However, I am still concerned because so many employers around here are no longer able to provide insurance because it is too expensive. So in that case, under McCain's plan I would get $5000.00 to buy my own insurance? Where do I get the additional $7000.00 needed?
Hmm, eminent domain.
Throw "eminent domain, Sarah Palin, and hockey arena" into a google news search and see what the constitution says about hockey moms. Really, put em in and hit enter. That woman is the scariest part of McCain!
Well that's exactly what McCain wants to do too. With this whole mortgage crisis and his ideas of the bail out/rescue plan. Tax payers are going to bail out all the people who made horrible home buying decisions. You have people that wanted to live their $1.5 million house dream. When all they really could afford was a 300K home but they just had to keep up with the Jones! Well their 1.5 million dream is becoming my nightmare.
So are they going to restructure my mortgage so that I am paying the actual market price for my home? Don't think so. I made a decision to buy my home with a price that we felt that we could afford, it was still way too much, but we tried not to live outside our means. I get nothing from this package! Other than increased taxes picking up the mess that was created, the fear that my husband could lose his job, and interest rates through the roof. You're damn right I want the wealthy to pay up. They have been subjected to loop holes, tax breaks, tax credits you name it. All I have been subject to is more increases in what I pay out ,and no increases to what I get paid in. So both guys in one way or another want to spread the wealth around.
You know I was on fence for a long time. It wasn't until McCain picked Palin for his running mate, that's when I said enough's enough. And seeing how he was acting last night was a clear indication that he is not level headed enough to run a country. Honestly, if he can not handle a debate without rolling his eyes or interrupting, blinking, or whatever you want to call his behavior last night. How on earth is he going to handle the pressure of talking to another country during any other type of crisis.
Seriously. His behavior last night is an insight to how this guy ticks. I do not find it as petty as you, that people are talking about this over topics that face this nation. I think it is a true picture of the 2 people we have as our choices. And last night the choice become a whole lot clearer for most of the undecided votes.
Just my 2 cents.
Well if your employer wasn't giving you insurance benefits, you would shop around to find a cheaper policy that the $5,000 could help you afford. Under McCain's policy you could buy insurance in any state so say health insurance is cheaper in Montana than in NY, you could buy a policy there and pay cheaper premiums than you would if you had to use an instate insurance company and still see your same doctors. McCain doesn't believe in universal healthcare. He thinks the government should be out of it.
But if you were already paying $12,000 already and would be doing so going forward, under McCain's plan, you would be paying about $10,500 now.
Mind you, I'm not voting for McCain because I think we need less gov and am voting Libertarian. But that's how I understand his policy.
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
His behavior is more a reflection of his frustration at how un-genuine Obama is.
Personally, I'm libertarian in the sense that I feel the government should only be involved in the so-called private sector if and only if 1) the program or "goods" are necessary for the general welfare of the American people and 2) the private sector has proven to be inadequate to the challenge. I don't see how anyone could argue that the 'health care' industry fits both of those. When 1 in 6 Americans are without any health care coverage (quick math; about 47(?) million without coverage with approximately 300 million Americans), that is not 'the nature of capitalism' or how private industry operates. That's a glaring failure. Unfortunately, a lot of McCain's health care policies do not add up; he wants strict de-regulation, but he wants to enforce coverage that travels with a person from job-to-job; how will he do the latter without regulation? Obama plans to do the same thing, but at least he's honest about how he intends to do it (with regulation); McCain's offered no such solution.
Plus, it's hard to see how McCain's plan will alleviate the glaring problem of Americans without health care coverage, since practically every watchdog agency (that is liberal AND non-partisan) who have analyzed the two plans say that the number of uninsured will increase under McCain's plan. That's exacerbating the main problem that health care policy needs to solve! Under McCain's plan, there is no regulation that states that insurance companies cannot continue to cherry pick their preferred patients on the basis of pre-existing conditions. That means patients who need the coverage most will continue to be denied. With all this in mind, what exactly is it that the McCain plan intends to fix?
The problem, in the end, I feel, with McCain's plan is that, at it's core, it is basing it's success on the assurance that by increasing competition, and by letting the free market reign in the industry, capitalism will lower the costs. Problem is, that hasn't happened. We've been trying it for quite a while and when the dust has settled we have 47 million people without coverage. Capitalism and free market are not going to be the cure, because at it's core capitalism is concerned with profit and financial success to alleviate the nation (and I'm no socialist; I think overall capitalism is the way to go, but it does have problem spots like this). The thing about this is that it's not in the financial interest of companies to offer extensive, necessary coverage; a health care insurance corporation is not going to lower their costs for 'the good of the people.' That's not how a corporation, by definition, works. Although I'm never crazy about government intervention, there's been no better viable option offered. And McCain wants to keep it how it is, only more so. Unless you feel like health care has been ruined by the extremely limited government intervention that is in place, I don't see how that is a successful approach.
Correction my friend. McCain's fustration is a reflection of his realization that he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning in November.
McCain can't stand the fact that he will never be Commander and Chief. It just fills him with rage and he can't contain his anger any longer.
Must hurt to know that:
1) He will never rank higher than his father
2) He's getting his ass whipped by a politician nearly half his age.
if he's get's his ass whooped, as the polls suggest, it's because the idiots have take over.
Look at the record. See to whole picture. Vote with your head.
OK, this is starting to get a little irritating; we're voting with our heads, thank you very much. Although I think you're wrong to vote for McCain, I respect that your thought process and ideology has led you to that choice. I think you should grow up a little and offer me and other Obama supporters a bit of that same respect.