Obama: I pledge allegiance to Israel

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Who said Palestine was innocent? I said innocent civilians were being killed by Israel's occupation. But pledging "unbreakable" friendship to a government that's committing atrocities seems a little off, don't you think?

I don't remember you saying that. not in this thread at least. what I remember you saying was something about an "illegal occupation" and I asked you to specify what/where/when this occupation that you speak of is and what is illegal about it?

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

As for your other question, there have been countless other threads debating the legality of Israel's occupation of Palestinian territory, and they've all been locked because neither side is gonna convince the other, and it ends up consisting of petty attacks. The legality of the occupation isn't what we're discussing here - it's America pledging unbreakable support to a government that is, as you yourself have said, actively committing atrocities. Do you not think that's wrong?

nowhere in your quote or in the part that you highlighted do you point out that thousands of Israelis have been murdered by Palestinian terrorists.

MLC2006 wrote:

are you a member of the PLO or the Nazi party by any chance? I mean, it seems to me you spend most of your time on here reporting on Israeli atrocities that are only posted on anti-Israel websites and can't be found on any legitimate news site.

you feel amnesty international and other non-profit organizations like unicef are anti-israeli???

i posted an official israeli government site that lists the suicide bombings and other attacks in israel and posted some mainstream news articles comparing how israel far surpasses the palesitnians in death countsm especially children. unicef and other organizations have reported on the effects of the roadblocks have on the children and leads to malnutrition and lacking medical care (especially when israel denies an ambulance entry or attacks it...

since you seem to think some need to crack open history books perhaps you should find a map and find the west bank...is that israeli land?




Everyone, including the 3 corporate candidates, talk about Israel's right to self-defense...but what about the Palestinians?? How can we call Israel's actions self-defense, anyway?

From the Israeli Ministry of Foriegn Affairs website:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Suicide+and+Other+Bombing+Attacks+in+Israel+Since.htm


Suicide and Other Bombing Attacks in Israel Since the Declaration of Principles (Sept 1993)

10 in 2005 - 24 dead, 3 killed no one
3 in 2006 - 15 dead
1 in 2007 - 3 dead
2 this year - 9 dead


that doesn't add up to very many dead Israeli's in the past 4 years, especially compared to just these TWO articles:

From the Independent in 2006:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/palestinian-death-toll-triples-this-year-430218.html


Palestinian death toll triples this year
The number of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza Strip tripled this year, according to an Israeli human rights organisation. B'Tselem said 660 Palestinians had been killed during 2006, including 141 minors. The report claimed that at least 322 of those killed were not fighters.

Israel eclipsed Palestine's 4 year death toll in a single year!

From Amnesty International this year:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/children-and-civilian-bystanders-gaza-death-toll-20080303


Children and civilian bystanders in Gaza death toll

Israeli military air strikes and artillery attacks on the Gaza Strip during the last few days have killed over 100 Palestinians, including dozens of children and other civilian bystanders. Three Israelis – a civilian killed by a rocket fired by a Palestinian armed group on 27 February and two soldiers – were also killed.

Many of the Palestinians killed were militants involved in attacks on Israel, but others were unarmed civilians taking no part in the hostilities, including some 25 children. The precise number of civilians killed is unclear and difficult to establish.

The Israeli chief of staff is reported to have claimed that 90 percent of those killed were militants, but the UN and other sources, including those in Gaza, suggest that as many as half of the dead were civilians. More than 250 other people, including scores of unarmed civilians, have been injured.

Israeli forces also destroyed houses and property across the Gaza Strip, including at least two medical facilities, before withdrawing on 3 March.

Again, Israel ecplises the 4 year death count in just a few days!!

and yet all we hear about is Israel's right to self-defense??

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