Obama: I pledge allegiance to Israel
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http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=54913§ionid=3510203
"Democratic White House contender Barack Obama says the US would be fully committed to Israel's security if he is elected president.
"America's commitment to Israel's security is unshakable," the 46-year-old presidential hopeful said Thursday during a brief speech at a celebration to mark the 60th anniversary of Israel.
"I am absolutely convinced that our friendship between the two nations is unbreakable, the Illinois senator added.
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http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=54913§ionid=3510203
"Democratic White House contender Barack Obama says the US would be fully committed to Israel's security if he is elected president.
"America's commitment to Israel's security is unshakable," the 46-year-old presidential hopeful said Thursday during a brief speech at a celebration to mark the 60th anniversary of Israel.
"I am absolutely convinced that our friendship between the two nations is unbreakable, the Illinois senator added.
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I have no problem with America being dedicated to the Israeli people. But their "unbreakable" friendship with the Israeli government isn't America being big brother to a little underdog country. It's supporting a country that's illegally occupying another country. Birds of a feather, eh?
Yeah.
Its hard to feel safe when you are sitting on one of the largest nuclear weapon caches in the world.
:rolleyes:
surely they need every bit of military assistance we can provide.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
please explain how the Israelis are "illegally occupying another country"?
illegally occupying land that is NOT there's....how's that?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Okay, I should have said "part of another country". But there are enough other threads on that topic that have been locked. My point is, pledging "unbreakable" friendship to a government that's knowingly ignoring UN laws isn't the best way for America to do its business.
AND who has a secret nuke program, which under US law makes it illegal for us to supply them w/ any aid....but since when does our government follow it's laws? look at reagan and daddy bush (which obama says he will have a foreign policy like them)
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I guess the US can't expect Israel to follow all these "international laws" when they make as much of a habit of breaking them.
I'm not following. I'm assuming that by saying "illegally occupying land", you mean they have no right to be where they are? is that what you're saying?
i'm saying they have no right to be living on illegal settlements in the occupied territories which even the UN has told them they must leave and yet.....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yeah, maybe obama can bring back the glory days of israel selling iran thousands of missiles for us?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
elaborate please? illegal settlements? set up when? pre-1900? post WWI? post WWII? 1960s? 1990s? when exactly did these "illegal settlements" that you speak of come about?
Gimme a break. You know we're talking about Palestine. Spare me the "Israel are innocently looking for a home" spin. We both know they're illegally occupying Palestinian territories, killing hundreds of innocent civilians in the process.
just google: occupied territories and you should find answers easy enough
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
gee thanks. I think we all know we're talking about Palestine here, thanks for clearing that up. the part I'm asking about is......."We both know they're illegally occupying Palestinian territories, killing hundreds of innocent civilians in the process". I mean, I've read the history of Israel. I know about the Ottoman Empire's defeat in WWI. the British Mandate over Palestine from the League of Nation's post WWI treaty. I know about the mass immigration's to Palestine. the British pulling out per the League of Nations, Israel's declaration of independence, victory over Arab invaders. I know all that. I just don't know what part you're referring to as being "illegal"?
Ask the UN. They'll make it nice and clear for you.
when you say "UN", are you referring to the "United Nations"? as in, the UN that the arab league thumbed their noses at when they declared war on Israel in 1948? cracking a history book open would make it nice and clear for you.
Are you a member of CUFI by any chance?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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are you a member of the PLO or the Nazi party by any chance? I mean, it seems to me you spend most of your time on here reporting on Israeli atrocities that are only posted on anti-Israel websites and can't be found on any legitimate news site.
I highlighted the problem...
It's no mystery what is going here...
btw...my CUFI link was aired on mainstream TV...
check out the vids...
nice brainwashed war cult..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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you highlighted "legitimate", as in you feel that websites that make up propaganda for stirring up anti-semitic sentiment are legitimate news sources.
what's happening in Palestine is a messed up situation where innocent people are suffering and atrocities are being committed by BOTH SIDES, not just Israel.
Actually that's a misnomer... it's all rather imbalanced to put it lightly.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Who said Palestine was innocent? I said innocent civilians were being killed by Israel's occupation. But pledging "unbreakable" friendship to a government that's committing atrocities seems a little off, don't you think?
I don't remember you saying that. not in this thread at least. what I remember you saying was something about an "illegal occupation" and I asked you to specify what/where/when this occupation that you speak of is and what is illegal about it?
of course, if you believe most of the stuff you post from jihad.com and eviljews.com, it's very imbalanced. I usually try not to take propaganda for fact, so through my eyes, I see it as pretty balanced/
Your claim on my source information is total nonsense... if that's all you have.
The sources are all there, and they legitimize.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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As for your other question, there have been countless other threads debating the legality of Israel's occupation of Palestinian territory, and they've all been locked because neither side is gonna convince the other, and it ends up consisting of petty attacks. The legality of the occupation isn't what we're discussing here - it's America pledging unbreakable support to a government that is, as you yourself have said, actively committing atrocities. Do you not think that's wrong?
nowhere in your quote or in the part that you highlighted do you point out that thousands of Israelis have been murdered by Palestinian terrorists.
yeah, one brief glance over at sabbath.biz is all it takes to prove to a rational person how "legitimate" that site is.
you feel amnesty international and other non-profit organizations like unicef are anti-israeli???
i posted an official israeli government site that lists the suicide bombings and other attacks in israel and posted some mainstream news articles comparing how israel far surpasses the palesitnians in death countsm especially children. unicef and other organizations have reported on the effects of the roadblocks have on the children and leads to malnutrition and lacking medical care (especially when israel denies an ambulance entry or attacks it...
since you seem to think some need to crack open history books perhaps you should find a map and find the west bank...is that israeli land?
Everyone, including the 3 corporate candidates, talk about Israel's right to self-defense...but what about the Palestinians?? How can we call Israel's actions self-defense, anyway?
From the Israeli Ministry of Foriegn Affairs website:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Suicide+and+Other+Bombing+Attacks+in+Israel+Since.htm
Suicide and Other Bombing Attacks in Israel Since the Declaration of Principles (Sept 1993)
10 in 2005 - 24 dead, 3 killed no one
3 in 2006 - 15 dead
1 in 2007 - 3 dead
2 this year - 9 dead
that doesn't add up to very many dead Israeli's in the past 4 years, especially compared to just these TWO articles:
From the Independent in 2006:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/palestinian-death-toll-triples-this-year-430218.html
Palestinian death toll triples this year
The number of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza Strip tripled this year, according to an Israeli human rights organisation. B'Tselem said 660 Palestinians had been killed during 2006, including 141 minors. The report claimed that at least 322 of those killed were not fighters.
Israel eclipsed Palestine's 4 year death toll in a single year!
From Amnesty International this year:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/children-and-civilian-bystanders-gaza-death-toll-20080303
Children and civilian bystanders in Gaza death toll
Israeli military air strikes and artillery attacks on the Gaza Strip during the last few days have killed over 100 Palestinians, including dozens of children and other civilian bystanders. Three Israelis – a civilian killed by a rocket fired by a Palestinian armed group on 27 February and two soldiers – were also killed.
Many of the Palestinians killed were militants involved in attacks on Israel, but others were unarmed civilians taking no part in the hostilities, including some 25 children. The precise number of civilians killed is unclear and difficult to establish.
The Israeli chief of staff is reported to have claimed that 90 percent of those killed were militants, but the UN and other sources, including those in Gaza, suggest that as many as half of the dead were civilians. More than 250 other people, including scores of unarmed civilians, have been injured.
Israeli forces also destroyed houses and property across the Gaza Strip, including at least two medical facilities, before withdrawing on 3 March.
Again, Israel ecplises the 4 year death count in just a few days!!
and yet all we hear about is Israel's right to self-defense??
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way