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You quote Baraka from a 1965 speech.....and everyone starts talking about Barack Obama...
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And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
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catefrances wrote:by fags, how do you know the man meant it in the homosexual sense? perhaps baraka was saying that white men are raised to just accept what is fed to them and not question a damn thing. that white men have no conviction and therefore get railroaded into believing the world should be as they see it. that white men are weak, not homosexual.
if this is the case then if he is disparaging anyone it is white men not gays.
......and as i can see baraka has indeed labelled white men as weak and blank.
Which is the equivelent of some white guy labeling all black men as thugs and criminals or lazy and irresponsible. In fact, some whites label all black men as weak of character. Which is exactly the same thing Baraka said.
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NMyTree wrote:Which is the equivelent of some white guy labeling all black men as thugs and criminals or lazy and irresponsible. In fact, some whites label all black men as weak of character. Which is exactly the same thing Baraka said.
Isn't it interesting how stereotypes work?
i didn't say i agree with the man. baraka is a black marxist, it makes sense to me that he'd say something like that.hear my name
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catefrances wrote:people people people let's not forget amiri baraka is A POET. he is not painting pretty pictures that's for sure. who knows if he expects us to read his work and take evrything he writes as gospel. but he's got us thinking and engaging with each other. and that's what it's all about.
Baraka is a racist. He may be a so-called "poet", but he's also a hateful, historically ignorant and historically selective racist.
If some white guy wrote a poem like that, with a slant against blacks (or any other race for that matter), then made a video and made the video available for public consumption; Reverand Al "Sham-a-Lama-Ding-Dong" Sharpton and Jesse "Slap-Daddy" Jackson would be on the warpath.
The NAACP would be filing lawsuits and stirring their troops to protest and riot. The Rutgers Women's Basketball team would once again fall to the floor and curl themselves into the fetal position; with thumb firmly inserted in mouth.
Kia Vaughn would be seeking 300 million dollars in damages, from the white poet.
And finally, Cheguevara6 would be in a fit of rage as he littered The Moving Train with illustrations of his racist outrage and calling for the death of the white poet.
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NMyTree wrote:Baraka is a racist. He may be a so-called "poet", but he's also a hateful, historically ignorant and historically selective racist.
If some white guy wrote a poem like that, with a slant against blacks (or any other race for that matter), then made a video and made the video available for public consumption; Reverand Al "Sham-a-Lama-Ding-Dong" Sharpton and Jesse "Slap-Daddy" Jackson would be on the warpath.
The NAACP would be filing lawsuits and stirring their troops to protest and riot. The Rutgers Women's Basketball team would once again fall to the floor and curl themselves into the fetal position; with thumb firmly inserted in mouth.
Kia Vaughn would be seeking 300 million dollars in damages, from the white poet.
And finally, Cheguevara6 would be in a fit of rage as he littered The Moving Train with illustrations of his racist outrage and calling for the death of the white poet.
Ah, racism and hypocracy ......it's not just for breakfast, anymore.
if some white man wrote a poem like that i'd be amazed.
throughout history the human condition has been different for white man.hear my name
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catefrances wrote:throughout history the human condition has been different for white man.
How so?0 -
Bu2 wrote:You quote Baraka from a 1965 speech.....and everyone starts talking about Barack Obama...
WTF??!!
I'll fill you in....this thread is about a racist bafoon named AMIRI BARACK. after the discussion was well under way, a WHITE person on this board stated that Barack is a *real, true* black man, and Barack Obama is a *not black enough* black man. now, how a white person (or any other person for that matter) could state with such authority what is an authentic black person and what is not, that's beyond me. it seems racist to me to make such a stereotype that all people of any given race should act and behave the same. I have 3 or 4 black male friends who don't seem to have the same outlook on life that Baraka has. and I went so far to ASSUME that these guys were REALLY black. but I guess if they were REAL black men, they would call me fag and want to rape my wife and children and write incredibly goofy "poems".0 -
NMyTree wrote:How so?MLC2006 wrote:I'm interested to see the answer to that one myself.
just taking into account the last 500 or so years:
the empire building of european powers.
the taking of indigenous lands and the exterminations of native people.
the treating of 'others' as just that.
the colonisation of africa.
the arrogance that white man is the epitome of everything.
the denial of basic human rights to indigenous and displaced peoples
the spreading of christianity and the denial and intolerence of other religions.
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I realized today that hate is the enemy to success... in every instance of the inmagination
fuck...what a tightrope of persistence...(in my case)
It's the right direction though.
the only way to true clarity and serenity.
be strong in it...
If there isn't humor behind it...it's most likely not the right mode of thinking.
hard to be this way...
we are taught hatred and intolerance in the media on a daily basis...Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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catefrances wrote:just taking into account the last 500 or so years:
the empire building of european powers.
the taking of indigenous lands and the exterminations of native people.
the treating of 'others' as just that.
the colonisation of africa.
the arrogance that white man is the epitome of everything.
the denial of basic human rights to indigenous and displaced peoples
the spreading of christianity and the denial and intolerence of other religions.
the world is ruled by rich old white men. surely you can see that.
Selective history.
Certainly your list is accurate to a certain degree (although, several of your submissions are incomplete or partial, because you are only telling one side of the story).
But your comment was this:
" throughout history the human condition has been different for white man."
The term "throughout the history of the human condition..." is an all encompassing statement. It includes all of the history of human beings.
The list you submitted only covers (in a one sided manner) the last 400-500 years.
You are excluding the fact that there were many reasons and events (perpetuated by those of non-white or christian), which led to many of the things you listed. Not all, but certainly many significant and pivotal.
Furthermore, white men were not and are not the only people who followed/follow christianity. They certainly were not the first christians, nor were they they first to wage war, invade or kill in the name of Christianity.
It's clear, as any legitimate and honest historian will tell you; that christianity was created, founded and developed by human beings of a darker skin color.catefrances wrote:.....the empire building of european powers.
1) Yes, that's true. But how does that differ from the empire building, for thousands of years, by people who were non-white?
Are you implying they (non-whites) built their empires by the way of hugs, kisses and the distribution of lovely and colorful flower pedals; without ever shedding a drop of blood or oppressing and denying the basic human rights of other indigenous and displaced peoples?catefrances wrote:....the taking of indigenous lands and the exterminations of native people.
2) An accurate statement. But again, how does that differ from what non-whites have done, through out the history of human beings?
Do you mean to suggest that when white people do it, it's some how more evil, devious and wrong; than when non-whites did it; hence the "white devil" label? You do realize white people have been in existence for so very much longer than 400-500 years, right?catefrances wrote:...the treating of 'others' as just that.
3) Certainly white people are no different than any other human beings, when it comes to that.
African blacks for thousands of years commited genocide, invasions of villages, rape, enslavement and discrimination; based on certain black tribes believing they were superior to the other black tribes and it's people.
In fact, it still continues to occur in Africa, to this day. Genocide, mass slaughters and all kinds of hideous attrocities are committed by african blacks on their own people and others.
Middle Easterners (Muslims, Jews, Christians, Catholics....etc of non-white skin) have a long and blood-filled history of exactly the same behavior. And it continues, today.
As do the people of India, China, Japan, South America/Latin America ......the list goes on. And it continues in most of those countries, to this very day.
Do you realize there are few hundred non-white races and cultures in the world, this very day; committing the very same attrocities you only apply to white people? Do you realize they have been committing these attrocities, for the last 400-500 years; as well?catefrances wrote:.......the colonisation of africa.....
4) True.
But white people are hardly the only ones to attempt that. A whole lot of brown-skinned people and people of other colors, races and religions made trouble in Africa; and continue to do so, today.catefrances wrote:.....the arrogance that white man is the epitome of everything..
5) I'm sorry, I had to laugh at this one.
Are saying white people are the only race that have arrogant, power-hungry, greedy, self-righteous and narcissistic people within their race?
Have you heard some of these muslims, Jews, blacks, Latinos ...etc, talk about their race and religion? They are all arrogant, believe they are "the chosen ones" and that their race and religion is the superior one. Not just in the far distant past, but right now.....today!
What seperates a white person's arrogance from their arrogance?catefrances wrote:...the denial of basic human rights to indigenous and displaced peoples....
6) See response numbers......1 through 6.catefrances wrote:the spreading of christianity and the denial and intolerence of other religions.
7) See responses 2,3 and 5.
Are you implying it's acceptable for non-whites to spread their religion and be intolerent of other people, and their religions (Muslims and Islam come immediately to mind); but that some how it's evil when christians spread christianity?
Once again I am compelled to remid you. White people were not and are not the only people who followed/follow and spread christianity.catefrances wrote:.....the world is ruled by rich old white men. surely you can see that.
8) Partially true.
What world do you speak of?
You do realize that there are many rich, wealthy and powerful men who rule "the world"; who are non-white, right?
The fact is, on the global scale; wealth and power transcend race/color.
There are an awfully lot of wealthy and powerful men all over the world, who are non-white (including the Middle East, Africa, China, Japan, India, South/Latin America) and a shit load of other contries. You have to realize that these men, regardless of color/race interact, share similar philosophies, similar lifestyles and similar bank accounts and similar amounts of power; in their respective regions or reach.
You see, there's no doubt some rich, weathy white people are creating a lot of problems not only here in the United States, but also on a global scale.
But to demonize white people and imply they are the only one's doing this; is naive, racist, hypocritical and completely unobjective.
You are doing exactly the same thing (demonizing and selectively generalizing) that you and so many here (and around the world) get all upset and outraged about, when someone sterotypes and demonizes blacks, Latinos, Jews or Muslims. It's pure racism and hypocrisy.
This list you provided in nothing more than a testement to the species of human beings. Whites are merely one genra of the species. But all generas have behaved and continue to behave, exactly the same.
You have to understand that the there's always an action...and a reaction. There's always a push, a pull and then a push back. Whites have never had a monopoly on this.
If you truely want to address the problems on our planet and our species, then, we have to focus on the human condition and human behavior. No race is exempt. No race worse than the other. All races do the very same crap and behave in exactly the the same manner you have listed. Both historically speaking and in current times.
Demonizing one race is absurd.
Those who claim to know where all the trouble started, who's to blame for it and advocate the demonization of one race; are only contributing to the problem in a racist and biased manner. Or thye are complete fools.
The truth is, everyone is to blame. There are no innocents, here.
White americans, white europeans, middle eastern muslims, muslims all over the world, jews, american blacks, african blacks, latinos...asians...it goes on and on. They all have played their roles in bring this world to it's miserable current state.
Where is the demand for resposibility and acountability on everyone's part?
Blaming one race or one religion or one country accomplishes nothing. The problems of our species runs so much deeper than that. It's a problem that has been several thousand years in the making and every race and religion has played it's bloody role through out the history of our species and continue to play their bloody role, now.
Demand responsibility from all sides.....all involved. Let no one off the hook.
Not finger-pointing and the blame-game. Everyone is guilty. That's way too many pointing fingers and it acomplishes nothing.
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NMyTree wrote:Amiri Baraka.
Not you:D
Unless, of course.....you are Amiri Baraka?
If that's the case, then yeah, you're a racist.
Oh no, you guys are on to me!!!
Ha ha, it was humorous to me to see 'Baraka is a racist'. I know you weren't referring to me.
FYI: My name was not inspired by Amiri Baraka.The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
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catefrances wrote:Somebody Blew Up America
They say its some terrorist,
some barbaric
A Rab,
in Afghanistan
It wasn't our American terrorists
It wasn't the Klan or the Skin heads
Or the them that blows up nigger
Churches, or reincarnates us on Death Row
It wasn't Trent Lott
Or David Duke or Giuliani
Or Schundler, Helms retiring
It wasn't
The gonorrhea in costume
The white sheet diseases
That have murdered black people
Terrorized reason and sanity
Most of humanity, as they pleases
They say (who say?)
Who do the saying
Who is them paying
Who tell the lies
Who in disguise
Who had the slaves
Who got the bux out the Bucks
Who got fat from plantations
Who genocided Indians
Tried to waste the Black nation
Who live on Wall Street
The first plantation
Who cut your nuts off
Who rape your ma
Who lynched your pa
Who got the tar, who got the feathers
Who had the match, who set the fires
Who killed and hired
Who say they God & still be the Devil
Who the biggest only
Who the most goodest
Who do Jesus resemble
Who created everything
Who the smartest
Who the greatest
Who the richest
Who say you ugly and they the goodlookingest
Who define art
Who define science
Who made the bombs
Who made the guns
Who bought the slaves, who sold them
Who called you them names
Who say Dahmer wasn't insane
Who? Who? Who?
Who stole Puerto Rico
Who stole the Indies, the Philipines, Manhattan
Australia & The Hebrides
Who forced opium on the Chinese
Who own them buildings
Who got the money
Who think you funny
Who locked you up
Who own the papers
Who owned the slave ship
Who run the army
Who the fake president
Who the ruler
Who the banker
Who? Who? Who?
Who own the mine
Who twist your mind
Who got bread
Who need peace
Who you think need war
Who own the oil
Who do no toil
Who own the soil
Who is not a nigger
Who is so great ain't nobody bigger
Who own this city
Who own the air
Who own the water
Who own your crib
Who rob and steal and cheat and murder
and make lies the truth
Who call you uncouth
Who live in the biggest house
Who do the biggest crime
Who go on vacation anytime
Who killed the most niggers
Who killed the most Jews
Who killed the most Italians
Who killed the most Irish
Who killed the most Africans
Who killed the most Japanese
Who killed the most Latinos
Who? Who? Who?
Who own the ocean
Who own the airplanes
Who own the malls
Who own television
Who own radio
Who own what ain't even known to be owned
Who own the owners that ain't the real owners
Who own the suburbs
Who suck the cities
Who make the laws
Who made Bush president
Who believe the confederate flag need to be flying
Who talk about democracy and be lying
Who the Beast in Revelations
Who 666
Who know who decide
Jesus get crucified
Who the Devil on the real side
Who got rich from Armenian genocide
Who the biggest terrorist
Who change the bible
Who killed the most people
Who do the most evil
Who don't worry about survival
Who have the colonies
Who stole the most land
Who rule the world
Who say they good but only do evil
Who the biggest executioner
Who? Who? Who?
Who own the oil
Who want more oil
Who told you what you think that later you find out a lie
Who? Who? Who?
Who found Bin Laden, maybe they Satan
Who pay the CIA,
Who knew the bomb was gonna blow
Who know why the terrorists
Learned to fly in Florida, San Diego
Who know why Five Israelis was filming the explosion
And cracking they sides at the notion
Who need fossil fuel when the sun ain't goin' nowhere
Who make the credit cards
Who get the biggest tax cut
Who walked out of the Conference
Against Racism
Who killed Malcolm, Kennedy & his Brother
Who killed Dr King, Who would want such a thing?
Are they linked to the murder of Lincoln?
Who invaded Grenada
Who made money from apartheid
Who keep the Irish a colony
Who overthrow Chile and Nicaragua later
Who killed David Sibeko, Chris Hani,
the same ones who killed Biko, Cabral,
Neruda, Allende, Che Guevara, Sandino,
Who killed Kabila, the ones who wasted Lumumba, Mondlane,
Betty Shabazz, Die, Princess Di, Ralph Featherstone,
Little Bobby
Who locked up Mandela, Dhoruba, Geronimo,
Assata, Mumia, Garvey, Dashiell Hammett, Alphaeus Hutton
Who killed Huey Newton, Fred Hampton,
Medgar Evers, Mikey Smith, Walter Rodney,
Was it the ones who tried to poison Fidel
Who tried to keep the Vietnamese Oppressed
Who put a price on Lenin's head
Who put the Jews in ovens,
and who helped them do it
Who said "America First"
and ok'd the yellow stars
Who killed Rosa Luxembourg, Liebneckt
Who murdered the Rosenbergs
And all the good people iced,
tortured, assassinated, vanished
Who got rich from Algeria, Libya, Haiti,
Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Kuwait, Lebanon,
Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Palestine,
Who cut off peoples hands in the Congo
Who invented Aids
Who put the germs
In the Indians' blankets
Who thought up "The Trail of Tears"
Who blew up the Maine
& started the Spanish American War
Who got Sharon back in Power
Who backed Batista, Hitler, Bilbo,
Chiang kai Chek
Who decided Affirmative Action had to go
Reconstruction, The New Deal,
The New Frontier, The Great Society,
Who do Tom Ass Clarence Work for
Who doo doo come out the Colon's mouth
Who know what kind of Skeeza is a Condoleeza
Who pay Connelly to be a wooden negro
Who give Genius Awards to Homo Locus
Subsidere
Who overthrew Nkrumah, Bishop,
Who poison Robeson,
who try to put DuBois in Jail
Who frame Rap Jamil al Amin, Who frame the Rosenbergs,
Garvey,
The Scottsboro Boys,
The Hollywood Ten
Who set the Reichstag Fire
Who knew the World Trade Center was gonna get bombed
Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin Towers
To stay home that day
Why did Sharon stay away?
Who? Who? Who?
Explosion of Owl the newspaper say
The devil face cd be seen
Who make money from war
Who make dough from fear and lies
Who want the world like it is
Who want the world to be ruled by imperialism and national
oppression and terror violence, and hunger and poverty.
Who is the ruler of Hell?
Who is the most powerful
Who you know ever
Seen God?
But everybody seen
The Devil
Like an Owl exploding
In your life in your brain in your self
Like an Owl who know the devil
All night, all day if you listen, Like an Owl
Exploding in fire. We hear the questions rise
In terrible flame like the whistle of a crazy dog
Like the acid vomit of the fire of Hell
Who and Who and WHO who who
Whoooo and Whooooooooooooooooooooo!
- amiri baraka
Mr. Green Disease.
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catefrances wrote:just taking into account the last 500 or so years:
the empire building of european powers.
the taking of indigenous lands and the exterminations of native people.
the treating of 'others' as just that.
the colonisation of africa.
the arrogance that white man is the epitome of everything.
the denial of basic human rights to indigenous and displaced peoples
the spreading of christianity and the denial and intolerence of other religions.
the world is ruled by rich old white men. surely you can see that.
ohhhh, now I see, thanks for clearing that up. so I'm some joe schmo in South Carolina stuck in what is pretty much a deadend job basically living paycheck to paycheck to pay the bills and support my family. I worked 30-40 hours a week from the 11th grade all the way through college and had to get a student loan that I'm STILL paying on 8 years after graduating from college. but I've had it so good in life, just as good as Bush, and Bill Gates, and Carnegie, and who the fuck ever else, because I'm part of their elite "white male American club". thanks, that's solid logic you're using there.0 -
MLC2006 wrote:ohhhh, now I see, thanks for clearing that up. so I'm some joe schmo in South Carolina stuck in what is pretty much a deadend job basically living paycheck to paycheck to pay the bills and support my family. I worked 30-40 hours a week from the 11th grade all the way through college and had to get a student loan that I'm STILL paying on 8 years after graduating from college. but I've had it so good in life, just as good as Bush, and Bill Gates, and Carnegie, and who the fuck ever else, because I'm part of their elite "white male American club". thanks, that's solid logic you're using there.
you class yourself as an old rich white man do you? you think you are one of thsoe ruling the world do you?
and yeah perhaps you are some joe schmo stuck in south carolina working in a deadend job living paycheck to paycheck. but then perhaps not. but seeings how you admit you work 30-40 hours a week and are still paying off your student loan and all the other bills you accumulate, then yes again perhaps you are one of those joe schmos YOU speak of. i never said anything about being stuck in the conditions you speak of. YOU brought all that up when you decided to join the kings of the world. so i say again unless you consider yourself a rich old white guy happily ensconced amongst those who really rule the world then i don't know what the hell you're going on about.
but hey i understand that but for accident of birth you and i both could have been born into wretched conditions where the opportunity to discuss this would be non existent. where the opportunity to even reach adulthood would be vastly impaired as we struggle just to survive. fortunately you and i both were born into, or have come to live in, white western so called democracies where depending on how much we are willing to sell our souls for, we can achieve anything. or so we're told. we have choices millions of other people couldn't even dare to wish for.hear my name
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catefrances wrote:you class yourself as an old rich white man do you? you think you are one of thsoe ruling the world do you?
and yeah perhaps you are some joe schmo stuck in south carolina working in a deadend job living paycheck to paycheck. but then perhaps not. but seeings how you admit you work 30-40 hours a week and are still paying off your student loan and all the other bills you accumulate, then yes again perhaps you are one of those joe schmos YOU speak of. i never said anything about being stuck in the conditions you speak of. YOU brought all that up when you decided to join the kings of the world. so i say again unless you consider yourself a rich old white guy happily ensconced amongst those who really rule the world then i don't know what the hell you're going on about.
but hey i understand that but for accident of birth you and i both could have been born into wretched conditions where the opportunity to discuss this would be non existent. where the opportunity to even reach adulthood would be vastly impaired as we struggle just to survive. fortunately you and i both were born into, or have come to live in, white western so called democracies where depending on how much we are willing to sell our souls for, we can achieve anything. or so we're told. we have choices millions of other people couldn't even dare to wish for.
here's your quote........."throughout history the human condition has been different for white man."
so no, *I* didn't group myself with old rich white men that are ruling the world, YOU did. which is extremely racist, imo, because it follows racial stereotypes, that all people of a particular race are the exact same thing with the exact same life laid out for them.
you're right, it's the luck of the draw that we are born where we are and to who we are. so what? what the fuck does that have to do with anything whatsoever? I'm supposed to apologize or to blame my parents for me being born in a wealthy country like the US rather than some 3rd world country? fuck off.0
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