England under water: Scientists confirm global warming link to increased rain

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    polaris wrote:
    1. do you believe in climate change? ... if so,

    2. what international framework do you think would work best to address climate change?

    global warming is a proven fact. those who say they don't believe just don't want to believe. denial is common in almost every aspect of life.

    why does it have to be an international political action? we are the ones that make change. everyone is looking to the other person. but if the people demand change; we will get change. look at the civil rights movement in the 60's. later the gay rights issue. they stood up and demanded change. and they got it. it's not a politicion that can make the change. we must stand together to bring change. and if you don't want to do that; start packing if you live near water.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Collin wrote:
    Then why make comments like this one?


    So you admit you don't know anything about it, neither does anyone else but yet you know there's no such thing as global warming?

    So instead of calling stupid, perhaps you could try to be a little bit less ... ambiguous next time so stupid guys like me don't have to say stupid things.

    the earth is 4,500,000,000 years old. that alone is a mind boggling number. i'm sick and tired of everyone living in fear of "global warming" the earth has been around a long time before humans, and will be along time after we are gone.


    the earth, its atmosphere, the sun, the axis of earth, space, the moon, are all combining factors that are much too complex for any scientist to completely understand. no one can prove anything regardling climate. everything is just a guess.

    for example, there have been patterns before in the past of this exact type of weather pattern (ie global warming) when humans werent even around. what caused it then? what caused it to get cold again? fuck if I know, fuck if anyone really knows.


    but please, by all means, live in fear that the earth will slowly melt down to its core and we will all die a terrible over heated death.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    lazygun_99 wrote:
    Of course if this happened in the states you'd all be out looting but us Brits just think best have a nice cup of tea. Proven to solve all problems.

    if it's earl grey.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Cosmo wrote:
    Global Warming aside... what's wrong with the view that we should care takers of our planet? What's wrong with trying to pollute less? What's wrong with trying to at least preserve some of the planet's beauty for our kids... their kids... and their grand kids?
    absolutely nothing. and guys like al gore and all the other fear mongers should be fighting for that, instead of this global warming "theory"
  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    jlew24asu wrote:
    absolutely nothing. and guys like al gore and all the other fear mongers should be fighting for that, instead of this global warming "theory"

    Al Gore HAS been fighting for that for years. He has written about environmental problems for years.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I've never seen orange soda come out of a bank machine...dammit.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    jlew24asu wrote:
    the earth is 4,500,000,000 years old. that alone is a mind boggling number. i'm sick and tired of everyone living in fear of "global warming" the earth has been around a long time before humans, and will be along time after we are gone.


    the earth, its atmosphere, the sun, the axis of earth, space, the moon, are all combining factors that are much too complex for any scientist to completely understand. no one can prove anything regardling climate. everything is just a guess.

    for example, there have been patterns before in the past of this exact type of weather pattern (ie global warming) when humans werent even around. what caused it then? what caused it to get cold again? fuck if I know, fuck if anyone really knows.


    but please, by all means, live in fear that the earth will slowly melt down to its core and we will all die a terrible over heated death.

    what causes it is the earths eliptical orbit around the sun. that's what brings warming and cooling patterns. so now YOU know. other times it can because the earth was still young and developing. there was extreeme volcanic activity; and don't forget the earth itself has been cooling. back then the earths core was much hotter. so now you have another explaination.
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    lazygun_99 wrote:
    Of course if this happened in the states you'd all be out looting but us Brits just think best have a nice cup of tea. Proven to solve all problems.

    I wouldn't be looting. Inner city minorities do the looting around here. And wait, you guys got plenty of them too. The Muslim extremists in London don't drink tea and when it floods, what else are they going to do but raise some hell.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    surferdude wrote:
    I believe the climate is changing and man has a role in it. The extent of man's role in climate change is virtually unknown. I also believe that man has an abysmal track record at managing eco-systems and for us to try to do the same with the climate will have the same results.

    There's never been the case made that an international framework is the only way or best to address the problem.

    The problem has never even been adequately quantified due to the lack of an accurate climate model. The IPCC has become politicized and it is affecting their "scientific" output as evidenced by accords such as Kyoto.

    The environmental movement is slowly taking on religion like qualities where peoples actions are found to be moral or immoral, where indulgences can be bought by the rich, where hypocracy amongst the leaders and spokespersons has become the norm.

    Man has an entirely better track record at adapting to environment than controlling environment. This along with the fact that we have no idea of man's impact on climate change makes it prudent for there to be some policies and financial resources be made available for adaptation strategies. Strangely this is entirely missing from every IPCC report, wonder if it's because IPCC scientists have found their is no research money to be had in this approach.

    I believe consumers have the ultimate responsible and are the ones best able to address environmental issues by making informed purchases. Governments have shown over and over to be biased and corrupt. I do not look to government or international bodies for solutions. About the only thing they have any record of success with is providing financing to private business to address problems.

    I think we should all reduce, re-use and recycle. I think government should be financing green energy research. I think in the interim that the greenest sources of energy we have should be exploited even given their shortcomings; hydro power and nuclear power.

    I'd be happy to see individual governments (rather than an international body) develop environmental tariffs and excessive packaging on imports, and environmental and excessive packaging taxes internally. All money raised through the tariffs and taxes would be poured directly into green energy research.

    the ipcc report doesn't make recommendations on international accords ... it presents its findings by which the international community must act ... as someone who has said many times before that as long as countries such as india and china are not part of kyoto - it's not fair ... well, that should be a clear indication that an international agreement is a necessity ...

    let's face it - the reality is that without regulatory agreements - we will not make any progress ... do you think the gasoline industry would take the lead out on their own? ... or any other plethora of chemicals if there wasn't a ban? ... in china - they still use chemicals that were outlawed here in north america decades ago because some company can still make money selling it to countries that don't have LAWS ...

    climate change is a global program with local consequences - everyone needs to be on board to make the necessary changes ...

    and finally, this isn't about managing ecosystems ... it's about mitigatiing the impacts ...
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    onelongsong wrote:
    global warming is a proven fact. those who say they don't believe just don't want to believe. denial is common in almost every aspect of life.

    why does it have to be an international political action? we are the ones that make change. everyone is looking to the other person. but if the people demand change; we will get change. look at the civil rights movement in the 60's. later the gay rights issue. they stood up and demanded change. and they got it. it's not a politicion that can make the change. we must stand together to bring change. and if you don't want to do that; start packing if you live near water.

    because it is a global problem requiring international co-operation ... if you need clean water for your ranch and there are six neighbours polluting it - will you be satisfied with only 4 farmers stopping? ...
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    my2hands wrote:
    ...In Gloucester water levels had reached 34 feet, just 12 inches below flood defences the same level as during the flood of 1947 although a police spokesman said last night that the River Severn had stopped rising.

    now i do believe we are aiding global warming... but as the quote above (from the orginal article) shows... we've had floods bigger.

    England once suffered a flood so bad that they reckon 20k+ peple died... this was in about the 14th century or something.

    mother nature is a murdering psychopath it would seem ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    If they can look back millions of years through ice and sedimentary layers to see the repeating patterns again and again and again of O2 levels CO2 levels temperature etc etc and actually see physical evidence of it...that's good enough for me.

    It would appear that's the habitual tendency of this stellar space machine were all riding on.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    Al Gore HAS been fighting for that for years. He has written about environmental problems for years.

    good for him. I support that
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    onelongsong wrote:
    what causes it is the earths eliptical orbit around the sun. that's what brings warming and cooling patterns. so now YOU know.
    great, thank you Dr. so what causes the earth's elliptical orbit to move? can it be stopped? can it be altered?
    onelongsong wrote:
    other times it can because the earth was still young and developing. there was extreeme volcanic activity; and don't forget the earth itself has been cooling. back then the earths core was much hotter. so now you have another explaination.
    again, the earth is 4,500,000,000 billion years old. humans arent even a spec on the radar. the earths core is still hot and there is still plenty of volcanic activity. your statement has no bearing on how those forces are effecting the earth today.
  • lazygun_99
    lazygun_99 Posts: 73
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    I wouldn't be looting. Inner city minorities do the looting around here. And wait, you guys got plenty of them too. The Muslim extremists in London don't drink tea and when it floods, what else are they going to do but raise some hell.


    Seems kinda unlikely that a muslim extremist is going to take the opportunity to bag himself a new widescreen TV but you never know. More likely to be laughing as god meats out his judgment on the heathen masses.
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    lazygun_99 wrote:
    Seems kinda unlikely that a muslim extremist is going to take the opportunity to bag himself a new widescreen TV but you never know. More likely to be laughing as god meats out his judgment on the heathen masses.

    Blimey. I'll take a widescreen TV, on second thought.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    jlew24asu wrote:
    absolutely nothing. and guys like al gore and all the other fear mongers should be fighting for that, instead of this global warming "theory"

    and i'm sure the people that predict tsunamis and earthquakes; volcano eruptions are fear mongers too. don't forget people that watch for tornados and flooding. they bring fear so they're fear mongers too. i almost forgot places like the CDC when they warn people about diseases scaring them. i could give you examples all day but i think you get the point.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    onelongsong wrote:
    and i'm sure the people that predict tsunamis and earthquakes; volcano eruptions are fear mongers too
    these events aren't predicted. they are reported after they have already begun to take place.

    onelongsong wrote:
    don't forget people that watch for tornados and flooding. they bring fear so they're fear mongers too.
    again, these arent predicted.
    onelongsong wrote:
    almost forgot places like the CDC when they warn people about diseases scaring them.
    not a relevant example.



    edit: they are predicted. but a prediction isn't proof that a particular event is going to happen. its a best guess.
  • stu gee
    stu gee Posts: 1,174
    Im not saying its a myth but how on earth did they explain flooding before global warming was made such an issue?
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    stu gee wrote:
    Im not saying its a myth but how on earth did they explain flooding before global warming was made such an issue?

    You think the Flinstones switched to foot powered cars by choice?
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