Im not saying its a myth but how on earth did they explain flooding before global warming was made such an issue?
one of the major impacts of climate change is higher incidences of extreme weather events ... we've had heatwaves in north america and europe ... flooding in various parts of the world ... drought in the south pacific ...
some people choose to connect the dots ... some don't ...
one of the major impacts of climate change is higher incidences of extreme weather events ... we've had heatwaves in north america and europe ... flooding in various parts of the world ... drought in the south pacific ...
some people choose to connect the dots ... some don't ...
connect the dots to what? you make it sound as if there is historical data from the beginning of time and we are just now entering an increase in "extreme weather events"
connect the dots to what? you make it sound as if there is historical data from the beginning of time and we are just now entering an increase in "extreme weather events"
so ... you are saying because we don't have historical data from the beginning of time? ... nothing anyone can say will have any legitimacy in your brain?
so ... you are saying because we don't have historical data from the beginning of time? ... nothing anyone can say will have any legitimacy in your brain?
i'm all for saving the earth, but global warming is nothing more then a theory used to make people to live in fear that the earth is going to explode into a fireball. i'm tired of it.
i'm all for saving the earth, but global warming is nothing more then a theory used to make people to live in fear that the earth is going to explode into a fireball. i'm tired of it.
we know you are - i would suggest not posting on these threads or reading it
if you are interested in debating the science - there are plenty here who will be happy to discuss it with you ... however, all you have done is keep posting the same myths that have been proven false years ago ...
I think the water levels will rise again. They have in the past and seem to follow a cycle throughout time.
Millions of people love living near the water. Large cities are located close to water. These people will eventually have to move to accomodate. It's an extremely realistic expectation. It's about as real as it gets.
It's not going to happen overnight. It will take many years.
Great oceans have existed where deserts once were. Miles of ice used to cover where I am sitting right now.
This is earth.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
if you are interested in debating the science - there are plenty here who will be happy to discuss it with you ... however, all you have done is keep posting the same myths that have been proven false years ago ...
what has been proven false? and I'd be happy to debate science with you.
absolutely nothing. and guys like al gore and all the other fear mongers should be fighting for that, instead of this global warming "theory"
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Well... what Al Gore has to say... to me... is irrelevant. I will continue to recycle packaging... reuse what I can... and reduce what waste I create. I will STILL be sure to leave a place I visit, nicer than the way I found it.
You will still see me on the beaches with a Hefty bag, picking up stuff I didn't toss out... I don't care how it got there, I'm just there to make sure that's as far as it goes. I do it.. not because some movie Al Gore made... but, because that trash don't pick itself up.
However... if one person sees that Al Gore movie and decides to quit dumping the trash out of his car in a Wal-Mart parking lot... then, good. That one less piece of trash that'll make its way to the beach... and one less piece of trash I have to pick up.
Is that in itself going to save the planet? No. I'm not out here to save the planet... I'm just out here because someone needs to be.
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if you are interested in debating the science - there are plenty here who will be happy to discuss it with you ...
I don't find people are willing to discuss the science. Those who seem to put the majority of the fault of climate change on man's shoulders just blithely dismiss science that says other wise. There's a complete lack of debate and most end up saying the time for debate is over.
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because it is a global problem requiring international co-operation ... if you need clean water for your ranch and there are six neighbours polluting it - will you be satisfied with only 4 farmers stopping? ...
i agree 100%. everyone must cooperate. a handfull of countries won't cut it.
my thoughts are that when government gets involved in anything the work or goal.......stops. secondly; the government can make all the laws they want. the truth is; people don't follow them. for example; look at the drug war. we've got tonnes of laws yet the drug problem becomes worse daily.
the only solution i see is for everyone to be aware and do what they can to help. the problem starts with you (not you personally;everyone). when people conserve they teach the young to do the same. as the people become more aware; they'll spot commercial pollution easier and be able to take action.
I don't find people are willing to discuss the science. Those who seem to put the majority of the fault of climate change on man's shoulders just blithely dismiss science that says other wise. There's a complete lack of debate and most end up saying the time for debate is over.
people don't know the science. i do and man has a big part in the cause. i'll be available to prove it tomorrow morning. about 10:00 am mountain time.
I wouldn't be looting. Inner city minorities do the looting around here. And wait, you guys got plenty of them too. The Muslim extremists in London don't drink tea and when it floods, what else are they going to do but raise some hell.
where do you think Tea comes from?
EVERYONE drinks tea here anyway, it's color/religion/class blind
and for those that don't 'believe' in global warming (that at least has some facts going for it.. funny how I'm sure half of you believe in God.. ), you REALLY want to take the chance of doing nothing?
if it's to preserve your lifestyle, big news: we still need to shift to renewable energies because petrol, which currently fuels that lifestyle is running out fast....
so even if you want to be selfish, you still need to go the way of energy conservation to protect it.
Kyoto is peanuts, but it was a start and more importantly a message: we all have to do our bits, because it's serious.
as for the argument about cyclic natural patterns, yes there are some but it's been happening more quickly, and in all likelihood, we're exacerbating what might already have been a problem, in such a time we won't be able to find a solution to it..and how many species disappeared during those changes?
of course Earth will go on ..the human species might not, let alone civilisation..
the earth is 4,500,000,000 years old. that alone is a mind boggling number. i'm sick and tired of everyone living in fear of "global warming" the earth has been around a long time before humans, and will be along time after we are gone.
the earth, its atmosphere, the sun, the axis of earth, space, the moon, are all combining factors that are much too complex for any scientist to completely understand. no one can prove anything regardling climate. everything is just a guess.
whats funny is you trust the science that has dated our planet at 4.5 billion years, but you dont trust the climate science because it is too "complex"
whats funny is you trust the science that has dated our planet at 4.5 billion years, but you dont trust the climate science becasue it is too "complex"
:rolleyes:
ROFL..
guess because the time the planet has been around doesn't affect his taking his SUV to go pick up the mail..
whats funny is you trust the science that has dated our planet at 4.5 billion years, but you dont trust the climate science because it is too "complex"
:rolleyes:
if our eliptical orbit was in it's warming cycle; you'd be 100% correct. BUT; the earth is moving away from the sun and it's not getting colder. thus you're looking at it backwards. the historical evidence proves we are moving away from the sun and entering a cold era.
NOW; what is wrong with everybody doing the right thing. don't do it because of global warming; do it because it's right. most of us have children who will have children who will have children; etc. don't you people feel any obligation to your children and decendants? one generation raped and destroyed this planet and that is how they will hand it to their children. most parents want better for their children than they had. wtf is wrong with people.
NOW; what is wrong with everybody doing the right thing. don't do it because of global warming; do it because it's right. most of us have children who will have children who will have children; etc. don't you people feel any obligation to your children and decendants? one generation raped and destroyed this planet and that is how they will hand it to their children. most parents want better for their children than they had. wtf is wrong with people.
i wish that could fit on a bumper sticker....:)....ok one doesn't believe in global warming or hates al gore......does that mean one should still destroy the planet?....how about everybody get their heads out of their asses and do the right thing.....
What I love about the global warming debate is a whole lot of people getting half assed facts and running with it (I'm referring to the naysayers). You can tell who gets their debating points from Fox News. I've heard almost identical arguments from countless conservatives, who happen to be skeptical that global warming even exists, let alone that man could somehow be influencing it. I'm just curious how 95% of the world's expert climatologists could be so wrong. I suppose they've got better scientists at Fox News.
NOW; what is wrong with everybody doing the right thing. don't do it because of global warming; do it because it's right. most of us have children who will have children who will have children; etc. don't you people feel any obligation to your children and decendants? one generation raped and destroyed this planet and that is how they will hand it to their children. most parents want better for their children than they had. wtf is wrong with people.
this is exactly what I'm getting at.
hands, spare me the bullshit. no scientist can prove global warming to a degree of certainty that is proven. or else there wouldnt be so much deate on it now would there?
and as far as the earth being 4.5 billion years old. your right, that isnt proven either. its a best guess.
Has anyone heard of the upcoming polar shift that might happen? Apparently we are due for one between 2007 and 2012. It happens every so many hundred thousand years. Forces in space and nature force the crust of the earth to slide into a new position causing the poles to change as much as 90 degrees..
If we think global warming is bad, just think of the shit hitting the fan when this happens.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
What I love about the global warming debate is a whole lot of people getting half assed facts and running with it (I'm referring to the naysayers). You can tell who gets their debating points from Fox News. I've heard almost identical arguments from countless conservatives, who happen to be skeptical that global warming even exists, let alone that man could somehow be influencing it. I'm just curious how 95% of the world's expert climatologists could be so wrong. I suppose they've got better scientists at Fox News.
...ok one doesn't believe in global warming or hates al gore......does that mean one should still destroy the planet?...
that made one sound like one's Queen
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
hands, spare me the bullshit. no scientist can prove global warming to a degree of certainty that is proven. or else there wouldnt be so much deate on it now would there?
No scientist can claim with certainty that the sun will rise tomorrow, yet they do fairly accurate predictions about it. You seem to pick and choose what you like in science, dismissing theories and/or facts that disturb you (like global warming or the lancet study about Iraq) while believing blindly other theories and/or facts (such as the age of the earth, age of the universe, causation from cigarettes to cancer etc.).
As for the use of an international action, it seems logical. Let's stop being naive and believing that the consumers will, on their own, stop pollution and manmade co2 production. There has to be a way to bind countries (europe, us, china and india) to limit pollution and gaz emissions. Or else the consumer will do all the efforts for a very limited result. That's the basis for things such as Kyoto.
the earth is 4,500,000,000 years old. that alone is a mind boggling number. i'm sick and tired of everyone living in fear of "global warming" the earth has been around a long time before humans, and will be along time after we are gone.
the earth, its atmosphere, the sun, the axis of earth, space, the moon, are all combining factors that are much too complex for any scientist to completely understand. no one can prove anything regardling climate. everything is just a guess.
for example, there have been patterns before in the past of this exact type of weather pattern (ie global warming) when humans werent even around. what caused it then? what caused it to get cold again? fuck if I know, fuck if anyone really knows.
but please, by all means, live in fear that the earth will slowly melt down to its core and we will all die a terrible over heated death.
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one of the major impacts of climate change is higher incidences of extreme weather events ... we've had heatwaves in north america and europe ... flooding in various parts of the world ... drought in the south pacific ...
some people choose to connect the dots ... some don't ...
connect the dots to what? you make it sound as if there is historical data from the beginning of time and we are just now entering an increase in "extreme weather events"
so ... you are saying because we don't have historical data from the beginning of time? ... nothing anyone can say will have any legitimacy in your brain?
i'm all for saving the earth, but global warming is nothing more then a theory used to make people to live in fear that the earth is going to explode into a fireball. i'm tired of it.
we know you are - i would suggest not posting on these threads or reading it
if you are interested in debating the science - there are plenty here who will be happy to discuss it with you ... however, all you have done is keep posting the same myths that have been proven false years ago ...
Millions of people love living near the water. Large cities are located close to water. These people will eventually have to move to accomodate. It's an extremely realistic expectation. It's about as real as it gets.
It's not going to happen overnight. It will take many years.
Great oceans have existed where deserts once were. Miles of ice used to cover where I am sitting right now.
This is earth.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Well... what Al Gore has to say... to me... is irrelevant. I will continue to recycle packaging... reuse what I can... and reduce what waste I create. I will STILL be sure to leave a place I visit, nicer than the way I found it.
You will still see me on the beaches with a Hefty bag, picking up stuff I didn't toss out... I don't care how it got there, I'm just there to make sure that's as far as it goes. I do it.. not because some movie Al Gore made... but, because that trash don't pick itself up.
However... if one person sees that Al Gore movie and decides to quit dumping the trash out of his car in a Wal-Mart parking lot... then, good. That one less piece of trash that'll make its way to the beach... and one less piece of trash I have to pick up.
Is that in itself going to save the planet? No. I'm not out here to save the planet... I'm just out here because someone needs to be.
Hail, Hail!!!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
i agree 100%. everyone must cooperate. a handfull of countries won't cut it.
my thoughts are that when government gets involved in anything the work or goal.......stops. secondly; the government can make all the laws they want. the truth is; people don't follow them. for example; look at the drug war. we've got tonnes of laws yet the drug problem becomes worse daily.
the only solution i see is for everyone to be aware and do what they can to help. the problem starts with you (not you personally;everyone). when people conserve they teach the young to do the same. as the people become more aware; they'll spot commercial pollution easier and be able to take action.
people don't know the science. i do and man has a big part in the cause. i'll be available to prove it tomorrow morning. about 10:00 am mountain time.
EVERYONE drinks tea here anyway, it's color/religion/class blind
and for those that don't 'believe' in global warming (that at least has some facts going for it.. funny how I'm sure half of you believe in God.. ), you REALLY want to take the chance of doing nothing?
if it's to preserve your lifestyle, big news: we still need to shift to renewable energies because petrol, which currently fuels that lifestyle is running out fast....
so even if you want to be selfish, you still need to go the way of energy conservation to protect it.
Kyoto is peanuts, but it was a start and more importantly a message: we all have to do our bits, because it's serious.
as for the argument about cyclic natural patterns, yes there are some but it's been happening more quickly, and in all likelihood, we're exacerbating what might already have been a problem, in such a time we won't be able to find a solution to it..and how many species disappeared during those changes?
of course Earth will go on ..the human species might not, let alone civilisation..
um, i think we do... it is trapped in the ice, rock, etc...
much like rings in a tree tell it's life story
obviously you dont believe in science or trust it, at least climate/earth/weather science...
so why debate someone that rejects the overwhelming evidence? especially someone that rejects it out of personal skepticism
whats funny is you trust the science that has dated our planet at 4.5 billion years, but you dont trust the climate science because it is too "complex"
:rolleyes:
guess because the time the planet has been around doesn't affect his taking his SUV to go pick up the mail..
if our eliptical orbit was in it's warming cycle; you'd be 100% correct. BUT; the earth is moving away from the sun and it's not getting colder. thus you're looking at it backwards. the historical evidence proves we are moving away from the sun and entering a cold era.
NOW; what is wrong with everybody doing the right thing. don't do it because of global warming; do it because it's right. most of us have children who will have children who will have children; etc. don't you people feel any obligation to your children and decendants? one generation raped and destroyed this planet and that is how they will hand it to their children. most parents want better for their children than they had. wtf is wrong with people.
i wish that could fit on a bumper sticker....:)....ok one doesn't believe in global warming or hates al gore......does that mean one should still destroy the planet?....how about everybody get their heads out of their asses and do the right thing.....
hands, spare me the bullshit. no scientist can prove global warming to a degree of certainty that is proven. or else there wouldnt be so much deate on it now would there?
and as far as the earth being 4.5 billion years old. your right, that isnt proven either. its a best guess.
If we think global warming is bad, just think of the shit hitting the fan when this happens.
see, this is where your not holding water... there is no debate, 99% of all the science/expert community agree on this
9 out of 10 dentists agree dude
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No scientist can claim with certainty that the sun will rise tomorrow, yet they do fairly accurate predictions about it. You seem to pick and choose what you like in science, dismissing theories and/or facts that disturb you (like global warming or the lancet study about Iraq) while believing blindly other theories and/or facts (such as the age of the earth, age of the universe, causation from cigarettes to cancer etc.).
As for the use of an international action, it seems logical. Let's stop being naive and believing that the consumers will, on their own, stop pollution and manmade co2 production. There has to be a way to bind countries (europe, us, china and india) to limit pollution and gaz emissions. Or else the consumer will do all the efforts for a very limited result. That's the basis for things such as Kyoto.
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