Understanding Joshua Mauldin (Man Who Microwaved Baby)

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    How is consciousness related to universalism?
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    How is consciousness related to universalism?
    Can you have consciousness that is not connected to the universe? Can you have consciousness not connected to the individual? Can you have consciousness not connected to culture/society? What is universal is universal to consciousness too.
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    angelica wrote:
    Can you have consciousness that is not connected to the universe? Can you have consciousness not connected to the individual? Can you have consciousness not connected to culture/society? What is universal is universal to consciousness too.

    That is a no-brainer. Everything is natural and therefor universal.

    Universalism is never used that way though. It implies something that exist amongst all agents of a particular group. I.e. Consciousness is universal to humans. Which can be argued for comatose patients.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    That is a no-brainer. Everything is natural and therefor universal.

    Universalism is never used that way though. It implies something that exist amongst all agents of a particular group. I.e. Consciousness is universal to humans. Which can be argued for comatose patients.

    everything is natural?
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    catefrances wrote:
    everything is natural?

    I've no evidence to suggest otherwise. Do you?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    That is a no-brainer. Everything is natural and therefor universal.

    Universalism is never used that way though. It implies something that exist amongst all agents of a particular group. I.e. Consciousness is universal to humans. Which can be argued for comatose patients.
    I know. The universe also is universally present across the board for everything. Which is the same thing you are referring to. Something that exists amongst all agents of ANY group. The universe is universal to everything. This is the drop of water/ocean thing. This is how an individual can tap into universiality. We do all the time. Through the universal in us, we have access to glimpsing/communing with the universal in everything.
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    w00t w00t hybernate in my cave, east-lake viewing, contemplate in my brain shit that I been through and hey, these positronic pathways are groovin' wackacon skull on the wall just to prove it.

    "Measure what is measurable, and make measurable what is not so."
    - Galileo

    "If we subject everything to reason, our religion will have nothing mysterious or supernatural in it. If we violate the principles of reason, our religion will be absurd and ridiculous."
    - Pascal
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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    angelica wrote:
    I know. The universe also is universally present across the board for everything. Which is the same thing you are referring to. Something that exists amongst all agents of ANY group. The universe is universal to everything. This is the drop of water/ocean thing. This is how an individual can tap into universiality. We do all the time. Through the universal in us, we have access to glimpsing/communing with the universal in everything.

    Uh. Forgive me for being skeptical. Where is your proof?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    Uh. Forgive me for being skeptical. Where is your proof?
    The universe is in everything. What is "universal" to everything flows through each of us. By aligning to what is universal, we align with the totality of all and can perceive it.

    I'll understand if the logic is lost on you, though. ;) It's a "you gotta experience it to really believe it type of thing" for sure.

    By the way, remember awhile back when I asked you to prove to me that atoms exist? I'm still waiting on that.................
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    Ahnimus wrote:
    I've no evidence to suggest otherwise. Do you?

    define everything.
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    angelica wrote:
    The universe is in everything. What is "universal" to everything flows through each of us. By aligning to what is universal, we align with the totality of all and can perceive it.

    I'll understand if the logic is lost on you, though. ;) It's a "you gotta experience it to really believe it type of thing" for sure.

    By the way, remember awhile back when I asked you to prove to me that atoms exist? I'm still waiting on that.................

    Atoms have been proven by scientific method.

    Where are your double-blind controlled experiments?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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    catefrances wrote:
    define everything.

    I'm not getting into that. You know what I mean. I'm not gonna debate over this bullshit about language.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm not getting into that. You know what I mean. I'm not gonna debate over this bullshit about language.

    its not about language ryan. as not everything in our universe is natural, i was curious to get a definition from you so i could move forward. all i asked for was a clarification.
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    catefrances wrote:
    its not about language ryan. as not everything in our universe is natural, i was curious to get a definition from you so i could move forward. all i asked for was a clarification.

    Give me an example of something that is supernatural?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    Give me an example of something that is supernatural?

    did i say supernatural?

    the built environment is not natural.
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    Give me an example of something that is supernatural?

    human imagination?
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    Atoms have been proven by scientific method.

    Where are your double-blind controlled experiments?
    I'm asking you to prove them to me.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    angelica wrote:
    I'm asking you to prove them to me.
    Anyway, I'm not serious here.

    If you don't understand the validity of the logic of what I'm saying about universals and how you can tap the whole through what is universal within you, and/or if you don't comprehend the value of the map of what I've said, and if you are not interested in finding out the "truthiness" for yourself, then you will not see what I'm saying about universals. And I can live with that.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
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    catefrances wrote:
    did i say supernatural?

    the built environment is not natural.

    Most certainly it is.

    By extension of us, it is natural.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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    gue_barium wrote:
    human imagination?

    It exists as a pattern in the brain.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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