The universe governs itself quite nicely, don't you think? That seems self-evident to me.
Are you okay with the label for the "law" of gravity? Or other "laws" of physics? I'm saying what is Absolute, and inherent to the universe, is a law. We cannot possibly escape the laws of the universe, so it certainly seems to me that we're governed.
We can start to acknowledge and notice variables and how they play out, and how our actions create different reactions. The more we open our eyes and look at these variables, the more we begin to see how they operate for us, individually, in our lives, and how they play out around us, in our worldview. By doing this, we become more connected and start to recognize certain patterns. Eventually we can learn which patterns don't work, and which ones do. And we find when we use the working patterns, we can start to regularly create happily, and less so, with misery. Some people do this, other people consider life is just random. Pattern recognition is considered a sign of intelligence.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Are you saying your neurology is not connected to the universe? Are you saying anyone's neurology is not directly connected to the universe and the laws of this natural reality system?
That isn't how you intended to use the word "universal". Right, like if I say "Brown is a color universal to Tim Horton's" I'm saying that all Tim Horton's stores use brown as the colour. That's how you were using the word "Universal".
Either way, when you say "Universal Moral Law" you are referring to something that does not exist by either definition of the word "Universal".
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The universe governs itself quite nicely, don't you think? That seems self-evident to me.
Are you okay with the label for the "law" of gravity? Or other "laws" of physics? I'm saying what is Absolute, and inherent to the universe, is a law. We cannot possibly escape the laws of the universe, so it certainly seems to me that we're governed.
We can start to acknowledge and notice variables and how they play out, and how our actions create different reactions. The more we open our eyes and look at these variables, the more we begin to see how they operate for us, individually, in our lives, and how they play out around us, in our worldview. By doing this, we become more connected and start to recognize certain patterns. Eventually we can learn which patterns don't work, and which ones do. And we find when we use the working patterns, we can start to regularly create happily, and less so, with misery. Some people do this, other people consider life is just random. Pattern recognition is considered a sign of intelligence.
Sure, I can live with the semantics, but language is a part of the change, too, at least within "our" perspectives. Physics is a language, music, science, religion, art, chinese...all languages, millions of them...maybe billions (to use a carl sagan's vision of the stars on PBS circa 1977).
The universe may govern itself, insomuch as you can give a universe a conscience...i don't think that is possible in reality. ...the self-evidence you speak of is only in regard to homo sapiens lifespan thus far on this planet, in this universe, in this cycle.
That isn't how you intended to use the word "universal". Right, like if I say "Brown is a color universal to Tim Horton's" I'm saying that all Tim Horton's stores use brown as the colour. That's how you were using the word "Universal".
Either way, when you say "Universal Moral Law" you are referring to something that does not exist by either definition of the word "Universal".
I'm using the word exactly the way I am using it. The universal laws are universal. Meaning each action has a specific result. And each time that exact action happens, that exact result happens. And each time a slightly different action happens, a slightly different result happens. This is across the board, anytime specific actions take place. No matter what we think of these laws, they always exist. They have so many nuances to them, especially when we take into consideration that they are interacting with so many individuals, who are never exactly the same, or in exactly the same place. We are literally unable to comprehend the gravity of this. It is still an "exact science" across the board on all levels, subjectively, objectively and inter-subjectively.
As we begin to look at our own patterns in our own worldview, we start to recognize certain patterns that repeat and then we can begin to see connections between these patterns and others. Eventually, when we become familiar with the basic patterns that work through our lives, we can see how these patterns operate in the lives of others, and that there are some general themes.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Sure, I can live with the semantics, but language is a part of the change, too, at least within "our" perspectives. Physics is a language, music, science, religion, art, chinese...all languages, millions of them...maybe billions (to use a carl sagan's vision of the stars on PBS circa 1977).
The universe may govern itself, insomuch as you can give a universe a conscience...i don't think that is possible in reality. ...the self-evidence you speak of is only in regard to homo sapiens lifespan thus far on this planet, in this universe, in this cycle.
What I'm saying is that the universe is totally self contained and runs perfectly, no matter what we think about it. It is completely self governed. This is self-evident to me. Everything is in perfect synchronization.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
What I'm saying is that the universe is totally self contained and runs perfectly, no matter what we think about it. It is completely self governed. This is self-evident to me. Everything is in perfect synchronization.
That is patently, totally, and legally incomprehensible.
That's incomprehensible to you? Okay.
Anything that is pertaining to the universe is "universal". Therefore the universe is completely and totally "universal".
lets take the dictionary definition of universal. Each of these meanings of "universal" apply to the universe:
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of all or the whole
2. applicable everywhere or in all cases; general
3. affecting, concerning, or involving all
4. used or understood by all
5. present everywhere
7. of or pertaining to the universe, all nature, or all existing things
13. something that may be applied throughout the universe to many things, usually thought of as an entity that can be in many places at the same time.
14. a trait, characteristic, or property, as distinguished from a particular individual or event, that can be possessed in common
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Anything that is pertaining to the universe is "universal". Therefore the universe is completely and totally "universal".
lets take the dictionary definition of universal. Each of these meanings of "universal" apply to the universe:
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of all or the whole
2. applicable everywhere or in all cases; general
3. affecting, concerning, or involving all
4. used or understood by all
5. present everywhere
7. of or pertaining to the universe, all nature, or all existing things
13. something that may be applied throughout the universe to many things, usually thought of as an entity that can be in many places at the same time.
14. a trait, characteristic, or property, as distinguished from a particular individual or event, that can be possessed in common
Sure, universe is the root of universal, but "universe" is not what the universal is. You're saying it is.
They are different. You equate them as the same.
You're missing a simple law there in the english language. It sounds nice. Just as Freedom isn't Free sounds nice, but it's redundant.
Now, if you want to come up with a new word, that would be splendid...
Sure, universe is the root of universal, but "universe" is not what the universal is. You're saying it is.
They are different. You equate them as the same.
You're missing a simple law there in the english language. It sounds nice. Just as Freedom isn't Free sounds nice, but it's redundant.
Now, if you want to come up with a new word, that would be splendid...
I identified 8 dictionary definitions of "universal" that apply to and describe the universe. That's 8 definitions beyond being a root word!
That's all the evidence I need that the universe is universal--in 8 very "universal" ways!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Well this is what happens when you don't separate psychotic illness from religious beliefs.
Clearly this man was suffering from a psychiotic illness, and no-one helped him cos they believe enough in God and the Devil to think he was sane.
Well this is what happens when you don't separate psychotic illness from religious beliefs.
Clearly this man was suffering from a psychiotic illness, and no-one helped him cos they believe enough in God and the Devil to think he was sane.
This is the lie on full tilt. Parents, you gotta tell your kids that these stories are stories.
At least, it sounds like the baby will be alright.
gue...I'm going to show you how the universe is also universal.
I'm taking each of those dictionary definitions to show you how the word "universal" and it's meaning applies to the universe:
The universe is...1: characteristic of the whole
The universe is...2: applicable everywhere
The universe is...3: affecting, concerning or involving all
The universe is...4: understood by all
The universe is...5: present everywhere
The universe is...7: pertaining to all existing things
The universe is..13: usually thought of as an entity that is in numerous places at the same time.
The universe is..14: possessed in common
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
gue...I'm going to show you how the universe is also universal.
I'm taking each of those dictionary definitions to show you how the word "universal" and it's meaning applies to the universe:
The universe is...1: characteristic of the whole
The universe is...2: applicable everywhere
The universe is...3: affecting, concerning or involving all
The universe is...4: understood by all
The universe is...5: present everywhere
The universe is...7: pertaining to all existing things
The universe is..13: usually thought of as an entity that is in numerous places at the same time.
The universe is..14: possessed in common
I know what universe means. I know what universal means. I know there are many characteristics and usages for both. I also know how the English language is used.
If you want to be you, give me something other than dictionary proofs.
I'm using the word exactly the way I am using it. The universal laws are universal. Meaning each action has a specific result. And each time that exact action happens, that exact result happens. And each time a slightly different action happens, a slightly different result happens. This is across the board, anytime specific actions take place. No matter what we think of these laws, they always exist. They have so many nuances to them, especially when we take into consideration that they are interacting with so many individuals, who are never exactly the same, or in exactly the same place. We are literally unable to comprehend the gravity of this. It is still an "exact science" across the board on all levels, subjectively, objectively and inter-subjectively.
As we begin to look at our own patterns in our own worldview, we start to recognize certain patterns that repeat and then we can begin to see connections between these patterns and others. Eventually, when we become familiar with the basic patterns that work through our lives, we can see how these patterns operate in the lives of others, and that there are some general themes.
What does that have to do with ethics?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
gue...I'm going to show you how the universe is also universal.
I think que is saying that if you say "The Universe is Universal" it is like saying "Socks are Socks" or "Butter is Buttery" "Black is Black" "Good is Good" "A is A" etc..
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I think que is saying that if you say "The Universe is Universal" it is like saying "Socks are Socks" or "Butter is Buttery" "Black is Black" "Good is Good" "A is A" etc..
He may be saying it's redundant, and I'm am going over the myriad ways the universe, itself, is universal, because people are disconnected from that connection. I love to bring it up. People tend to think they are operating independent of the governing laws of the universe. And that those laws are not universal. Yet people are intimately connected with all things universal, and our laws are universal.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
He may be saying it's redundant, and I'm am going over the myriad ways the universe, itself, is universal, because people are disconnected from that connection. I love to bring it up. People tend to think they are operating independent of the governing laws of the universe. And that those laws are not universal. Yet people are intimately connected with all things universal, and our laws are universal.
So determinism is true.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
He may be saying it's redundant, and I'm am going over the myriad ways the universe, itself, is universal, because people are disconnected from that connection. I love to bring it up. People tend to think they are operating independent of the governing laws of the universe. And that those laws are not universal. Yet people are intimately connected with all things universal, and our laws are universal.
I'm not disconnected from the notion that I am connected to the Universe. Or the Spheres. Or Time. Mostly Time, for me.
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I'm okay with that statement.
Do we have to call them laws, though?
The Universe isn't governed, ultimately.
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Are you okay with the label for the "law" of gravity? Or other "laws" of physics? I'm saying what is Absolute, and inherent to the universe, is a law. We cannot possibly escape the laws of the universe, so it certainly seems to me that we're governed.
We can start to acknowledge and notice variables and how they play out, and how our actions create different reactions. The more we open our eyes and look at these variables, the more we begin to see how they operate for us, individually, in our lives, and how they play out around us, in our worldview. By doing this, we become more connected and start to recognize certain patterns. Eventually we can learn which patterns don't work, and which ones do. And we find when we use the working patterns, we can start to regularly create happily, and less so, with misery. Some people do this, other people consider life is just random. Pattern recognition is considered a sign of intelligence.
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That isn't how you intended to use the word "universal". Right, like if I say "Brown is a color universal to Tim Horton's" I'm saying that all Tim Horton's stores use brown as the colour. That's how you were using the word "Universal".
Either way, when you say "Universal Moral Law" you are referring to something that does not exist by either definition of the word "Universal".
Sure, I can live with the semantics, but language is a part of the change, too, at least within "our" perspectives. Physics is a language, music, science, religion, art, chinese...all languages, millions of them...maybe billions (to use a carl sagan's vision of the stars on PBS circa 1977).
The universe may govern itself, insomuch as you can give a universe a conscience...i don't think that is possible in reality. ...the self-evidence you speak of is only in regard to homo sapiens lifespan thus far on this planet, in this universe, in this cycle.
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As we begin to look at our own patterns in our own worldview, we start to recognize certain patterns that repeat and then we can begin to see connections between these patterns and others. Eventually, when we become familiar with the basic patterns that work through our lives, we can see how these patterns operate in the lives of others, and that there are some general themes.
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Self-evidence is not universal.
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You aren't going to change my language.
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Then let's get back to English.
You said: The Universe is Universal.
That is patently, totally, and legally incomprehensible.
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Anything that is pertaining to the universe is "universal". Therefore the universe is completely and totally "universal".
lets take the dictionary definition of universal. Each of these meanings of "universal" apply to the universe:
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of all or the whole
2. applicable everywhere or in all cases; general
3. affecting, concerning, or involving all
4. used or understood by all
5. present everywhere
7. of or pertaining to the universe, all nature, or all existing things
13. something that may be applied throughout the universe to many things, usually thought of as an entity that can be in many places at the same time.
14. a trait, characteristic, or property, as distinguished from a particular individual or event, that can be possessed in common
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They are different. You equate them as the same.
You're missing a simple law there in the english language. It sounds nice. Just as Freedom isn't Free sounds nice, but it's redundant.
Now, if you want to come up with a new word, that would be splendid...
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That's all the evidence I need that the universe is universal--in 8 very "universal" ways!
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Arrrgh. You missed it completely!
The universe can only be the root word of universal. Sorry. That's english. The Universe and Universal are not the same.
When you say the "universe is universal". You are saying the Universe = Universal.
It may be poetic, but it's impossible. Think of it as math. English is ruled by mathematical balance.
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Clearly this man was suffering from a psychiotic illness, and no-one helped him cos they believe enough in God and the Devil to think he was sane.
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This is the lie on full tilt. Parents, you gotta tell your kids that these stories are stories.
At least, it sounds like the baby will be alright.
Amen.
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If you want to be poetic, that's fine.
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I'm taking each of those dictionary definitions to show you how the word "universal" and it's meaning applies to the universe:
The universe is...1: characteristic of the whole
The universe is...2: applicable everywhere
The universe is...3: affecting, concerning or involving all
The universe is...4: understood by all
The universe is...5: present everywhere
The universe is...7: pertaining to all existing things
The universe is..13: usually thought of as an entity that is in numerous places at the same time.
The universe is..14: possessed in common
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I know what universe means. I know what universal means. I know there are many characteristics and usages for both. I also know how the English language is used.
If you want to be you, give me something other than dictionary proofs.
I'm insulted.
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What does that have to do with ethics?
I think que is saying that if you say "The Universe is Universal" it is like saying "Socks are Socks" or "Butter is Buttery" "Black is Black" "Good is Good" "A is A" etc..
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So determinism is true.
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I'm not disconnected from the notion that I am connected to the Universe. Or the Spheres. Or Time. Mostly Time, for me.
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Determinism is getting laid when you didn't think you would, because you tried real hard.
And probably drank more than usual.
And said things you might regret later.
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