If you don't understand the validity of the logic of what I'm saying about universals and how you can tap the whole through what is universal within you, and/or if you don't comprehend the value of the map of what I've said, and if you are not interested in finding out the "truthiness" for yourself, then you will not see what I'm saying about universals. And I can live with that.
That's what they all say Angelica. I'd be a catholic if I thought that was the key to knowledge. It isn't.
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nice try ryan. by the definition of natural, the built environment can not be natural.
social constructs are also an extension of us, but that doesnt make them natural.
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nice try ryan. by the definition of natural, the built environment can not be natural.
social constructs are also an extension of us, but that doesnt make them natural.
I'm not using that definition of natural. That definition serves a purpose as to be the opposite of artificial. But nothing artificial or unnatural truly exists, they are only words for the purpose of distinction between man-made and anything that is not man-made. At what point did humans become a bridge between the natural and the unnatural. Certainly we are natural. If a colony of ants constructs a home, do we consider their home unnatural? Certainly not! We are natural and by extension our actions and constructs are also natural. A horse having sex with a donkey is not unnatural, in may seem unusual, however that is the essence of evolution.
The definition you are using stems from dogma. The belief that humans are superior to nature by possession of a divine soul and free-will. By extension of this definition, what we create is unnatural.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm not using that definition of natural. That definition serves a purpose as to be the opposite of artificial. But nothing artificial or unnatural truly exists, they are only words for the purpose of distinction between man-made and anything that is not man-made. At what point did humans become a bridge between the natural and the unnatural. Certainly we are natural. If a colony of ants constructs a home, do we consider their home unnatural? Certainly not! We are natural and by extension our actions and constructs are also natural. A horse having sex with a donkey is not unnatural, in may seem unusual, however that is the essence of evolution.
The definition you are using stems from dogma. The belief that humans are superior to nature by possession of a divine soul and free-will. By extension of this definition, what we create is unnatural.
i do not believe that humans are superior, you should know that by now ryan. i believe that by their actions and supposed progress, humans have put themselves outside nature, whilst they remain a product of nature. they do everything they can to tame nature but in the end they can not and never will.
if humans were to construct their homes from wood or stone and nothing else they dont find in nature, then that would be akin to your ant colony example. a two storey brick and tile mcmansion is rather removed from nature wouldnt you say?
At what point did humans become a bridge between the natural and the unnatural you ask. when they became able to manipulate natural objects into manmade artificial objects. iron ore into sheet metal. for example.
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That's what they all say Angelica. I'd be a catholic if I thought that was the key to knowledge. It isn't.
I'm talking about the key to the totality of all possibility that lies beneath all knowledge.
As I mentioned before, there is a reason the underlying truths have been kept hidden, and occult through the years. The masses and the more common worldviews really do not seem comprehend them, which makes sense. Not only do they not comprehend these truths, but they degrade and demean them and much much worse. Those who do perceive such concepts are touching base with an uncommon worldview (the road less travelled). What I am seeing is that the close-mindedness is shifting. And a certain group of people are at the crucial certain perceptive and "high" worldview, and are opening to these ideas. Given this, these truths spread like wildfire.
As for you, it's fair enough that you seek your own path to knowledge. I wouldn't suggest any other way for people. The key is to follow what works for each individual. Even for getting to more rarefied levels of perception.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I'm not using that definition of natural. That definition serves a purpose as to be the opposite of artificial. But nothing artificial or unnatural truly exists, they are only words for the purpose of distinction between man-made and anything that is not man-made. At what point did humans become a bridge between the natural and the unnatural. Certainly we are natural. If a colony of ants constructs a home, do we consider their home unnatural? Certainly not! We are natural and by extension our actions and constructs are also natural. A horse having sex with a donkey is not unnatural, in may seem unusual, however that is the essence of evolution.
The definition you are using stems from dogma. The belief that humans are superior to nature by possession of a divine soul and free-will. By extension of this definition, what we create is unnatural.
Obviously you and I are using the same understanding of natural, which is why we agree all laws are natural, or universal or whatever it was.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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That's what they all say Angelica. I'd be a catholic if I thought that was the key to knowledge. It isn't.
nice try ryan. by the definition of natural, the built environment can not be natural.
social constructs are also an extension of us, but that doesnt make them natural.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I'm not using that definition of natural. That definition serves a purpose as to be the opposite of artificial. But nothing artificial or unnatural truly exists, they are only words for the purpose of distinction between man-made and anything that is not man-made. At what point did humans become a bridge between the natural and the unnatural. Certainly we are natural. If a colony of ants constructs a home, do we consider their home unnatural? Certainly not! We are natural and by extension our actions and constructs are also natural. A horse having sex with a donkey is not unnatural, in may seem unusual, however that is the essence of evolution.
The definition you are using stems from dogma. The belief that humans are superior to nature by possession of a divine soul and free-will. By extension of this definition, what we create is unnatural.
i do not believe that humans are superior, you should know that by now ryan. i believe that by their actions and supposed progress, humans have put themselves outside nature, whilst they remain a product of nature. they do everything they can to tame nature but in the end they can not and never will.
if humans were to construct their homes from wood or stone and nothing else they dont find in nature, then that would be akin to your ant colony example. a two storey brick and tile mcmansion is rather removed from nature wouldnt you say?
At what point did humans become a bridge between the natural and the unnatural you ask. when they became able to manipulate natural objects into manmade artificial objects. iron ore into sheet metal. for example.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
As I mentioned before, there is a reason the underlying truths have been kept hidden, and occult through the years. The masses and the more common worldviews really do not seem comprehend them, which makes sense. Not only do they not comprehend these truths, but they degrade and demean them and much much worse. Those who do perceive such concepts are touching base with an uncommon worldview (the road less travelled). What I am seeing is that the close-mindedness is shifting. And a certain group of people are at the crucial certain perceptive and "high" worldview, and are opening to these ideas. Given this, these truths spread like wildfire.
As for you, it's fair enough that you seek your own path to knowledge. I wouldn't suggest any other way for people. The key is to follow what works for each individual. Even for getting to more rarefied levels of perception.
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