"If we get 50 of the most brilliant religious people that believe in free-will, and put them in a room for a 50 year long comity meeting. They'd be no longer, no closer to working out what happened to Joshua than when they went in."
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I think it makes more sense to say, Universality is Universal.
but even that's kind of flowery.
I take issue when people butter up their words to try and make life poetic. The most I will accept is, "We are patterns in the fabric of nature" that's about as poetic as I will go.
Recently I'm hearing that "Satanic" is synonymous with "Bad". Well it certainly is not, it's an extravagant way of saying it, if anything. It's taking a word like "Bad" and making it worse.
sa·tan·ic /səˈtænɪk, seɪ-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[suh-tan-ik, sey-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of Satan.
2. characteristic of or befitting Satan; extremely wicked; devillike; diabolical.
American Psychological Association (APA):
satanic. (n.d.). Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Retrieved June 01, 2007, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/satanic
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Sure, universe is the root of universal, but "universe" is not what the universal is. You're saying it is.
They are different. You equate them as the same.
You're missing a simple law there in the english language. It sounds nice. Just as Freedom isn't Free sounds nice, but it's redundant.
Now, if you want to come up with a new word, that would be splendid...
I agree!
The notion of universalism is in fact colonial-expansionist, and designed in as the root of nationalism gone large. Its mindset is flea-small and Bushite big: in terms of consciousness, it contracts. Universalism as a concept is like a crazy person's projective identification, and an insistence on absolute Law, the opposite of the relativistic principle of tolerance that maintains and stretches the universe.
And one more point.
Arse, feck, bollocks, wank, toss, shit, fuck and excuse me, to it all.
I take issue when people butter up their words to try and make life poetic. The most I will accept is, "We are patterns in the fabric of nature" that's about as poetic as I will go.
Recently I'm hearing that "Satanic" is synonymous with "Bad". Well it certainly is not, it's an extravagant way of saying it, if anything. It's taking a word like "Bad" and making it worse.
sa·tan·ic /səˈtænɪk, seɪ-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[suh-tan-ik, sey-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of Satan.
2. characteristic of or befitting Satan; extremely wicked; devillike; diabolical.
American Psychological Association (APA):
satanic. (n.d.). Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Retrieved June 01, 2007, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/satanic
You should do a degree in English, or two. I could bore the arse off everyone on the topic of etymological variants and their known, relative sources and analogues; we'd then discuss the reception histories - plural - of signifiers in language, become exhausted by the infinity of changing contexts in words are used to denote and connote meaning, and finally decide that debate is completely pointless. We'd have progressed beyond pseudoscepticism into real scepticism, which is just a term that has no more relevance to reality than the language of mathematics has to actual physical things. Then we could talk.
You should do a degree in English, or two. I could bore the arse off everyone on the topic of etymological variants and their known, relative sources and analogues; we'd then discuss the reception histories - plural - of signifiers in language, become exhausted by the infinity of changing contexts in words are used to denote and connote meaning, and finally decide that debate is completely pointless. We'd have progressed beyond pseudoscepticism into real scepticism, which is just a term that has no more relevance to reality than the language of mathematics has to actual physical things. Then we could talk.
Man that is rape. I wish queers wouldn't shit with the english fucker.
Sorry, just using words any ol' way I feel like.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yet luck is one of the most useful gifts in the Universe.
why is luck seen as a gift?
personally i don't believe in luck. things dont just happen. there is always a cause. just because the cause can't be seen, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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The beauty of it is, I could have said "I like eating brocolli and colliflower" you'd never know because words carry no meaning at all.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
why is luck seen as a gift?
personally i don't believe in luck. things dont just happen. there is always a cause. just because the cause can't be seen, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Luck is not a random thing. Luck is the degree to which cause and effect work in your favor. Also known as fortune. If you get dealth a straight flush in 5-card stud, that is extremely lucky.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The beauty of it is, I could have said "I like eating brocolli and colliflower" you'd never know because words carry no meaning at all.
You're missing the point, aren't you? Language interacts within itself, and signifiers relate to other signifiers, which are always unstable but never a reflection of meaning, which is something extra-linguistic. There are linguistic conventions, through which the intertexture of dialogue is maintained, but are we getting close to "meaning"?
I recommend a play to you. try Endgame by Samuel Beckett:
The notion of universalism is in fact colonial-expansionist, and designed in as the root of nationalism gone large. Its mindset is flea-small and Bushite big: in terms of consciousness, it contracts. Universalism as a concept is like a crazy person's projective identification, and an insistence on absolute Law, the opposite of the relativistic principle of tolerance that maintains and stretches the universe.
What do you mean that universalism contracts in terms of consciousness?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
What do you mean that universalism contracts in terms of consciousness?
it makes one eurocentric. that is if you are from europe or have european heritage. it makes all other outlooks and opinions that are contrary to the eurocentric(in this instance) view irrelevant and basically non existent.
the universal concept of motherhood for example in the portrayal of the madonna and child. this is only and can only be representative of a christian ideal in a society that knows who the madonna and child are and what they represent. therefore to hold madonna and child up as a universal symbol of motherhood is wrong and discounts the majority of the world, whose contrary view is dismissed. what counts is what the dominant society decides irrelevant of whether it is 'truth' or not.
of course i could be misunderstanding. help me out fins.
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it makes one eurocentric. that is if you are from europe orr aahve european heritage. it makes all other outlooks and opinions that are contrary to the eurocentric(in this instance) view irrelevant and basically non existent.
the universal concept of motherhood for example in the portrayal of the madonna and child. this is only and can only be representative of a christian ideal in a society that knows who the madonna and child are and what they represent. therefore to hold madonna and child up as a universal symbol of motherhood is wrong and discounts the majority of the world, whose contrary view is dismissed. what counts is what the dominant society decides irrelevant of whether it is 'truth' or not.
of course i could be misunderstanding. help me out fins.
I'm still looking forward to hearing Fins' take on it.
And I thank you for your answer, cate. So when you are referring to "universalism" here, are you referring to a defined school of thought? I would like to hear a definition of "universalism" as you have defined it, or as Fins describes it.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I'm still looking forward to hearing Fins' take on it.
And I thank you for your answer, cate. So when you are referring to "universalism" here, are you referring to a defined school of thought? I would like to hear a definition of "universalism" as you have defined it, or as Fins describes it.
oh im waiting for fins explanation as well. he's smarter than me for sure and im not even confidant im understanding it correctly anyway. i'm here to learn.
what i am referring to is cultural imperalism basically and how just cause 'we', 'the West' say something is so, it is taken as gospel by us. that anything else on the subject from an alternative other cultural viewpoint is dismissed or submerged.
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why is luck seen as a gift?
personally i don't believe in luck. things dont just happen. there is always a cause. just because the cause can't be seen, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I think luck exists, but I still think it's a gift because it isn't given to everyone.
I think luck exists, but I still think it's a gift because it isn't given to everyone.
I think luck exists for those who believe they are lucky thus giving it a cause. So it's not so much as being lucky as it is being open to the positive.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
oh im waiting for fins explanation as well. he's smarter than me for sure and im not even confidant im understanding it correctly anyway. i'm here to learn.
what i am referring to is cultural imperalism basically and how just cause 'we', 'the West' say something is so, it is taken as gospel by us. that anything else on the subject from an alternative other cultural viewpoint is dismissed or submerged.
Okay, thank-you, cate.
I was curious, because the way I have been referring to universals is as a concept that is not in any way defined by anyone or any system. By it's universal nature, it cannot be defined. No one can hold a market on it. And when one tries, they reveal that they are not talking about that which is universal. Given this concept, it fully encompasses consciousness, allowing it to be it's full potential. So I see the idea of "contracted consciousness" as a definition of some sort, whether personal or as defined within a school of thought.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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And from what I see, you are very perceptive about things that "don't exist", by most people's standards, too.
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Abstracts.
I've been told that before.
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I am the creator of the new universal language of the universe.
It's a work in progress, obviously.
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Luck.
Luck is the underdog.
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Yet luck is one of the most useful gifts in the Universe.
I think it makes more sense to say, Universality is Universal.
but even that's kind of flowery.
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I take issue when people butter up their words to try and make life poetic. The most I will accept is, "We are patterns in the fabric of nature" that's about as poetic as I will go.
Recently I'm hearing that "Satanic" is synonymous with "Bad". Well it certainly is not, it's an extravagant way of saying it, if anything. It's taking a word like "Bad" and making it worse.
sa·tan·ic /səˈtænɪk, seɪ-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[suh-tan-ik, sey-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of Satan.
2. characteristic of or befitting Satan; extremely wicked; devillike; diabolical.
American Psychological Association (APA):
satanic. (n.d.). Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Retrieved June 01, 2007, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/satanic
I agree!
The notion of universalism is in fact colonial-expansionist, and designed in as the root of nationalism gone large. Its mindset is flea-small and Bushite big: in terms of consciousness, it contracts. Universalism as a concept is like a crazy person's projective identification, and an insistence on absolute Law, the opposite of the relativistic principle of tolerance that maintains and stretches the universe.
And one more point.
Arse, feck, bollocks, wank, toss, shit, fuck and excuse me, to it all.
Great post, gue!
You should do a degree in English, or two. I could bore the arse off everyone on the topic of etymological variants and their known, relative sources and analogues; we'd then discuss the reception histories - plural - of signifiers in language, become exhausted by the infinity of changing contexts in words are used to denote and connote meaning, and finally decide that debate is completely pointless. We'd have progressed beyond pseudoscepticism into real scepticism, which is just a term that has no more relevance to reality than the language of mathematics has to actual physical things. Then we could talk.
Man that is rape. I wish queers wouldn't shit with the english fucker.
Sorry, just using words any ol' way I feel like.
why is luck seen as a gift?
personally i don't believe in luck. things dont just happen. there is always a cause. just because the cause can't be seen, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Interesting.
The beauty of it is, I could have said "I like eating brocolli and colliflower" you'd never know because words carry no meaning at all.
Luck is not a random thing. Luck is the degree to which cause and effect work in your favor. Also known as fortune. If you get dealth a straight flush in 5-card stud, that is extremely lucky.
and with that shitty spelling how are we to know what the heck you're talking about anyway ryan.
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this could be the day
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You're missing the point, aren't you? Language interacts within itself, and signifiers relate to other signifiers, which are always unstable but never a reflection of meaning, which is something extra-linguistic. There are linguistic conventions, through which the intertexture of dialogue is maintained, but are we getting close to "meaning"?
I recommend a play to you. try Endgame by Samuel Beckett:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXKIGquILkg
Then read some Derrida.
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ah jacques, my education would be incomplete without your pearls of wisdom.
p.s. i hate the way you've made me think sometimes when i didnt want to.
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I like winding you up, cate. You're funny when you go off.
But I love ya, too.
it makes one eurocentric. that is if you are from europe or have european heritage. it makes all other outlooks and opinions that are contrary to the eurocentric(in this instance) view irrelevant and basically non existent.
the universal concept of motherhood for example in the portrayal of the madonna and child. this is only and can only be representative of a christian ideal in a society that knows who the madonna and child are and what they represent. therefore to hold madonna and child up as a universal symbol of motherhood is wrong and discounts the majority of the world, whose contrary view is dismissed. what counts is what the dominant society decides irrelevant of whether it is 'truth' or not.
of course i could be misunderstanding. help me out fins.
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glad to be of use fins.
and that was hardly going off. i just have a love-hate relationship with deconstruction.
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I'm still looking forward to hearing Fins' take on it.
And I thank you for your answer, cate. So when you are referring to "universalism" here, are you referring to a defined school of thought? I would like to hear a definition of "universalism" as you have defined it, or as Fins describes it.
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oh im waiting for fins explanation as well. he's smarter than me for sure and im not even confidant im understanding it correctly anyway. i'm here to learn.
what i am referring to is cultural imperalism basically and how just cause 'we', 'the West' say something is so, it is taken as gospel by us. that anything else on the subject from an alternative other cultural viewpoint is dismissed or submerged.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I think luck exists, but I still think it's a gift because it isn't given to everyone.
I think luck exists for those who believe they are lucky thus giving it a cause. So it's not so much as being lucky as it is being open to the positive.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I was curious, because the way I have been referring to universals is as a concept that is not in any way defined by anyone or any system. By it's universal nature, it cannot be defined. No one can hold a market on it. And when one tries, they reveal that they are not talking about that which is universal. Given this concept, it fully encompasses consciousness, allowing it to be it's full potential. So I see the idea of "contracted consciousness" as a definition of some sort, whether personal or as defined within a school of thought.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!