Gun Laws in America

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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Once you cut off my arms (arms are used in 99.9% of violent crimes) with that saw, I won't be throwing anything at anyone.

    I'd have to run after your car once I've picked up the saw before I could do that. Then I would have to make sure you didn't just eat a hot curry because you could spit in my eye and blind me.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    redrock wrote:
    Nope.. and it doesn't report people who do not commit fraud. It doesn't report people who don't rape a child. It doesn't report.... I'm sure you get my drift.....

    I do get your drift. Now, again, why do you think that "average" citizens are committing gun crimes and, citing as proof, news reports that are only reporting the actions of unaverage criminal citizens?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    redrock wrote:
    I'd have to run after your car once I've picked up the saw before I could do that. Then I would have to make sure you didn't just eat a hot curry because you could spit in my eye and blind me.

    Yes -- your "to-ban" list is getting quite long. Perhaps forced lobotomies would simply take care of the entire problem.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I do get your drift. Now, again, why do you think that "average" citizens are committing gun crimes and, citing as proof, news reports that are only reporting the actions of unaverage criminal citizens?

    It's those people who are perfectly 'normal' & 'average' when they purchase their guns.. no police record, no mental illness in the past, etc. They find themselves under pressure, stress, anger.. whatever.... They think what a lot of people may think "I'd kill the bastard if I could".. then.. Oh wait! I've got a gun... I'll use it! And act upon their impulse.

    Again, no previous record.. no nothing. How many times have we heard of these things happening with family, neighbours, witnesses saying "He/she is such a nice person.. nobody would have thought.."

    These people are the ones that I identify as 'average'. Non average would be your gangsters, etc...

    You know perfectly what I mean....
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    There are over 200 million guns floating around the U.S. A quality firearm, well cared for, will be perfectly operational for hundreds of years. A collector can easily have tens, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in his or her collection ... they're not going to simply hand them over. Dream about it all you want, it's not going to happen.

    Maybe what we should be talking about is a ban on the sale of ammunition. That is at least vaguely realistic.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jlew24asu wrote:
    police officers

    And how will those police officers take my gun, if I don't want to give it to them?
    ok ready. I want a ban on some guns, not all.

    Which guns do you not want to ban?
    call it optimism. I'm not a law maker or lawyer.

    Thank goodness. Otherwise, we might all be in some hot water.
    ok hard(er) to get one. I'll take it.

    Good. Now, why do you think making it hard to get a gun will prevent gun crime? It's harder now than ever to get a gun in this country, yet your violent crime rates are nearly triple what they were 50 years ago. Furthermore, attempts to limit the purchase of guns show little effect on violent crime. For every case where violent crime drops after the passage of such laws, there's another case where it goes up.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    hippiemom wrote:
    There are over 200 million guns floating around the U.S. A quality firearm, well cared for, will be perfectly operational for hundreds of years. A collector can easily have tens, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in his or her collection ... they're not going to simply hand them over. Dream about it all you want, it's not going to happen.

    Maybe what we should be talking about is a ban on the sale of ammunition. That is at least vaguely realistic.

    I'm not cool with banning ammo either, but at least this girl is thinking. Banning ammunition sales would make much more sense than banning guns, giving the goals of many here.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I'm not cool with banning ammo either, but at least this girl is thinking. Banning ammunition sales would make much more sense than banning guns, giving the goals of many here.

    Apparently it is easy to make ammo. Would have to ban gunpowder and all!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    There are over 200 million guns floating around the U.S. A quality firearm, well cared for, will be perfectly operational for hundreds of years. A collector can easily have tens, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in his or her collection ... they're not going to simply hand them over. Dream about it all you want, it's not going to happen.

    Maybe what we should be talking about is a ban on the sale of ammunition. That is at least vaguely realistic.


    again, I dont want a ban on all guns. some yes, the rest very hard to get.

    boo hooo for the avid gun collector.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    hippiemom wrote:
    There are over 200 million guns floating around the U.S. A quality firearm, well cared for, will be perfectly operational for hundreds of years. A collector can easily have tens, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in his or her collection ... they're not going to simply hand them over. Dream about it all you want, it's not going to happen.

    Maybe what we should be talking about is a ban on the sale of ammunition. That is at least vaguely realistic.

    Chris does a routine on charging $1000.00 per round.....no more drive by's...no more bystanders being hit......and a line...."You know Mo Fo that once I save up I'm gonna come back and shoot your a$$." Really quite funny....course on practicle side of things...amo can be easily made...so this wouldn't work......
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    redrock wrote:
    It's those people who are perfectly 'normal' & 'average' when they purchase their guns.. no police record, no mental illness in the past, etc. They find themselves under pressure, stress, anger.. whatever.... They think what a lot of people may think "I'd kill the bastard if I could".. then.. Oh wait! I've got a gun... I'll use it! And act upon their impulse.

    Again, no previous record.. no nothing. How many times have we heard of these things happening with family, neighbours, witnesses saying "He/she is such a nice person.. nobody would have thought.."

    These people are the ones that I identify as 'average'. Non average would be your gangsters, etc...

    You know perfectly what I mean....

    Hehe...so that's what you think the average gun criminal is? Not only does the average person who uses a gun in a crime have a significant record of criminal behavior, the average victim also has a record of criminal behavior. You might want to reconsider any perspective that pretends that the gun itself makes the decision.

    Your example above, while certainly not without precendent, is very much the exception to the rule.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    farfromglorified wrote:
    And how will those police officers take my gun, if I don't want to give it to them?

    you get arrested


    farfromglorified wrote:
    Which guns do you not want to ban?

    I told you what I would like to see banned. anything else, extremely hard to get.


    farfromglorified wrote:
    Thank goodness. Otherwise, we might all be in some hot water.

    I like hot showers


    farfromglorified wrote:
    Good. Now, why do you think making it hard to get a gun will prevent gun crime?

    less guns, less crime. like the example of the guy who shot the kid for throwing an egg at his car.

    farfromglorified wrote:
    It's harder now than ever to get a gun in this country, yet your violent crime rates are nearly triple what they were 50 years ago.

    there were alot less people around 50 years ago. and times have changed.
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Furthermore, attempts to limit the purchase of guns show little effect on violent crime. For every case where violent crime drops after the passage of such laws, there's another case where it goes up.

    sounds made up
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    redrock wrote:
    Apparently it is easy to make ammo.

    It's also easy to make a gun.
    Would have to ban gunpowder and all!

    That's the easiest of all.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, I dont want a ban on all guns. some yes, the rest very hard to get.

    boo hooo for the avid gun collector.
    jlew, I never would have expected this from you! Are you trying to tell me that you are in favor of the government forcibly confiscating private property from law-abiding citizens?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    jlew, I never would have expected this from you! Are you trying to tell me that you are in favor of the government forcibly confiscating private property from law-abiding citizens?


    collectibles? no.

    an arsenal of machine guns and assault rifles, yes
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jlew24asu wrote:
    they get arrested

    Is that magic? How do they get arrested?
    I told you what I would like to see banned. anything else, extremely hard to get.

    I can't find a post where you say which guns should get banned. Can you point the way?
    less guns, less crime. like the example of the guy who shot the kid for throwing an egg at his car.

    Perhaps we should ban eggs. Because if there hadn't been an egg, the kid wouldn't have been shot, right?
    there were alot less people around 50 years ago. and times have changed.

    Note the term violent crime rate. That's not the number of violent crimes, that's the rate at which people are involved in them.
    sounds made up

    Made up? Do the research. Look at states like Texas that have high rates of gun ownership, but moderate violent crime rates. Look at the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, to which no drop in violent crime can be attributed. Look at the Brady Bill, which did show a drop in violent crime rates. Look at the restrictive laws in New Jersey, after which violent crime increased 50%. It may be time to realize that gun control and violent crime are not linked like you think they are.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jlew24asu wrote:
    collectibles? no.

    an arsenal of machine guns and assault rifles, yes

    And what if I collect machine guns and assault rifles?
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    hippiemom wrote:
    jlew, I never would have expected this from you! Are you trying to tell me that you are in favor of the government forcibly confiscating private property from law-abiding citizens?

    I've read Jlew's posts for last several months..and he's evolving. Course I'm thinking most people on this board are...even if they won't admit it......both ways by the way.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    farfromglorified wrote:
    And what if I collect machine guns and assault rifles?


    I want them banned. in my world, they would be confiscated.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Is that magic? How do they get arrested?

    handcuffs, mug shot, court date.


    farfromglorified wrote:
    I can't find a post where you say which guns should get banned. Can you point the way?

    my first post on this thread.


    farfromglorified wrote:
    Perhaps we should ban eggs. Because if there hadn't been an egg, the kid wouldn't have been shot, right?

    eggs dont kill people


    farfromglorified wrote:
    Made up? Do the research. Look at states like Texas that have high rates of gun ownership, but moderate violent crime rates. Look at the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, to which no drop in violent crime can be attributed. Look at the Brady Bill, which did show a drop in violent crime rates. Look at the restrictive laws in New Jersey, after which violent crime increased 50%. It may be time to realize that gun control and violent crime are not linked like you think they are.

    if you say so

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