Gun Laws in America

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    KidCarnivore wrote:
    The black market argument shows the reality of a ban on guns. If you are talking about gun control in reality, this has to be addressed. If we're talking about a hypothetical world that truly and effectively bans guns (or just certain guns), that is a different scenario altogether.


    the reality is that a ban on certain guns and tougher laws to obtain others may prevent some people from getting them, who potential might commit a crime with them. Thus preventing a certain amount(%) of certain crimes(murder, armed robbery, etc.) to happen.

    this may take a long time to happen. IMO, probably a generation.

    call me crazy but thats my theory
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    "Assault weapons" are not machine guns. As have been stated, machine guns are already banned.

    how picky are you going to get.

    how about this, guns similar too machine guns. fuck

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon


    Purple Hawk wrote:
    You wanna know the criteria for a weapong being deemed an assault weapon?

    if it has a bayonette (sp? sorry, that's bad) lug
    it has a folding stock
    it has a pistol grip
    a big magazine

    I know you are not a lefty jlew, but seriously, I think the left has you hook line and sinker on this issue. it's style over substance. the term "assault weapon", i'm guessing most people associate with machine guns. With an "assault weapon" you pull the trigger, and one bullet comes out. with a machine gun (which are illegal but I think they should be legal) you press the trigger once, and lots of bullets come out.

    As with any issue, when people become informed, I think they favor the conservative side...learn about guns, and you will become enlightened my friend :)


    your right, I am by no means an expert on guns. I couldnt properly classify a assault gun to a water pistol but I dont really care.

    All guns are designed to kill whats in front of them. my friend farfrom will tell you, "with no bullets in it, the gun cant kill, thus not designed to kill."

    well I found out all guns for bullet chambers, a trigger, and some sort of firing mechanism.

    I have no idea where to draw the line from an "ok" gun to a assault gun...

    but I would like to see a line. One side of the line is a ban the other makes it very difficult to get......

    so you, miller, and farfrom can play the "shoot the apple off my head game."
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    I just bought an Armalite AR-50.

    http://www.armalite.com/sales/catalog/rifles/ar50.htm

    http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2006/Day2/DSC07956.jpg

    $3,000 of the most firepower the average Joe can buy without major hassle from the BATFE. Yes, it is the big scarry 50 caliber that all the hippies want banned. Gues how many have been used to commit a crime...

    Zero.

    But they still want to ban it! Even more reason to want to buy one.

    Add that to my semi-auto Kalashnikov, semi-auto Kalashnikov 12 Gauge Shotgun, and AR-15, and I am Diane Feinstein's worst nightmare ;)

    What good are your rights without the right to protect them?
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    69charger wrote:
    I just bought an Armalite AR-50.

    http://www.armalite.com/sales/catalog/rifles/ar50.htm

    $3,000 of the most firepower the average Joe can buy without major hassle from the BATFE. Yes, it is the big scarry 50 caliber that all the hippies want banned. Gues how many have been used to commit a crime...

    Zero.

    But they still want to ban it! Even more reason to want to buy one.

    Add that to my semi-auto Kalashnikov, semi-auto Kalashnikov 12 Gauge Shotgun, and AR-15, and I am Diane Feinstein's worst nightmare ;)

    What good are your rights without the right to protect them?

    Cool. I'm thinking you have more reasons to possess a firearm like that other than the fact that there are those who would rather you didn't. The thing is, a .22 can do as much killing as the next gun, if killing is the aim.
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  • Scubascott
    Scubascott Posts: 815
    69charger wrote:
    I just bought an Armalite AR-50.

    http://www.armalite.com/sales/catalog/rifles/ar50.htm

    http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2006/Day2/DSC07956.jpg

    $3,000 of the most firepower the average Joe can buy without major hassle from the BATFE. Yes, it is the big scarry 50 caliber that all the hippies want banned. Gues how many have been used to commit a crime...

    Zero.

    But they still want to ban it! Even more reason to want to buy one.

    Add that to my semi-auto Kalashnikov, semi-auto Kalashnikov 12 Gauge Shotgun, and AR-15, and I am Diane Feinstein's worst nightmare ;)

    What good are your rights without the right to protect them?

    Why do you want to own those weapons? I'm just curious. What's the point of having them?
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

    -C Addison
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    gue_barium wrote:
    Cool. I'm thinking you have more reasons to possess a firearm like that other than the fact that there are those who would rather you didn't.

    This is actually one of the major reasons I collect the guns that I collect.
    The thing is, a .22 can do as much killing as the next gun, if killing is the aim.

    Sure, just not from 2,500+ yards away through armor plating ;)

    [BORAT]High Five![/BORAT]
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    Scubascott wrote:
    Why do you want to own those weapons? I'm just curious. What's the point of having them?

    Same reason someone owns a Dodge Viper.

    It's obnoxiously powerful and fun as hell to use.

    Oh, and because there are those out there who dispise these weapons.

    To quote Ed... "Fuck 'em"!

    ;)
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    69charger wrote:
    This is actually one of the major reasons I collect the guns that I collect.



    Sure, just not from 2,500+ yards away through armor plating ;)

    [BORAT]High Five![/BORAT]

    Hehee. You're a good gun Consumer. I'll give you that.

    *thinking of ways to get a job with the carlisle group*
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  • Scubascott
    Scubascott Posts: 815
    gue_barium wrote:
    .22 can do as much killing as the next gun, if killing is the aim.

    Actually it can't. Its much easier to kill something with a high-powered rifle than with a .22
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Scubascott wrote:
    Actually it can't. Its much easier to kill something with a high-powered rifle than with a .22

    Not if you're an expert shot. As 69Charger said, it may not pack the wallop at a greater distance, however, if it a well-placed shot by an expert rifleman, it will do the job.
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  • Scubascott
    Scubascott Posts: 815
    69charger wrote:
    Same reason someone owns a Dodge Viper.

    It's obnoxiously powerful and fun as hell to use.

    Oh, and because there are those out there who dispise these weapons.

    To quote Ed... "Fuck 'em"!

    ;)

    Ok, fair enough. But do you reckon any Joe should be allowed to own one, or do you think that you should be throuroughly background checked, psych tested, trained etc before you're allowed to buy one.

    (Sorry if you've covered this already, I came in late)
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

    -C Addison
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Let me put it this way. If Oswald had used a .22, the result would have been the same. The president would have died....

    A .22 has one of the highest feet/per second velocity of any firearm on the planet.
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    Scubascott wrote:
    Ok, fair enough. But do you reckon any Joe should be allowed to own one, or do you think that you should be throuroughly background checked, psych tested, trained etc before you're allowed to buy one.

    (Sorry if you've covered this already, I came in late)

    I think background checks are fair. The rest is all about personal responsibility.

    "With great power comes great responsibility."

    I am for extremely harsh penalites for crimes comitted with firearms with the exception of self-defense related liabilities.
  • Scubascott
    Scubascott Posts: 815
    gue_barium wrote:
    Not if you're an expert shot. As 69Charger said, it may not pack the wallop at a greater distance, however, if it a well-placed shot by an expert rifleman, it will do the job.

    Ok, but the point is that some firearms really are more dangerous (and therefore more worthy of tighter controls) than others.
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

    -C Addison
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    gue_barium wrote:
    A .22 has one of the highest feet/per second velocity of any firearm on the planet.

    No it doesn't. Not by (pardon the pun) a long shot.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    69charger wrote:
    No it doesn't. Not by (pardon the pun) a long shot.

    Sure it does, look it up. My guess is that it's in the top 20, and it will be surrounded by a lot of military-grade arms.
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  • Scubascott
    Scubascott Posts: 815
    gue_barium wrote:
    Sure it does, look it up.

    There's no way you can convince me that a .22 is as dangerous as a high powered rifle. I know from experience that it isn't.
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

    -C Addison
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    gue_barium wrote:
    Sure it does, look it up.

    You're gonna be really disappointed. Are you sure you still want me to? Cause I will if you really want me to. ;)
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Scubascott wrote:
    There's no way you can convince me that a .22 is as dangerous as a high powered rifle. I know from experience that it isn't.

    If the aim is to kill, it can be, simple as that.
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    gue_barium wrote:
    If the aim is to kill, it can be, simple as that.

    If you hit me on the butt with a .22 I will not die. If I hit you in the butt with my 50 Cal you will be torn apart. Literally.

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