i agree with all your points, except the part i bolded.
sure, it may be 'easy' to think that...but it isn't necessarily true. and THAT is a whole other discussion as well.
This reminds me of that scene in Silence of the Lambs where the crazy guy was keeping the woman in the dungeon and kept referring to her in the 3rd person, as "it". :eek:
It creeps the hell out of my girlfriend when I start telling her that "it puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose!"
Anyway, all this talk of objectifying women's sexy, gorgeous bodies... I'm going to throw on a porno. Y'all have a nice night!
well within the context of what overall seemed a pretty serious post....ANd no signify such..i felt it safe to make my comments, which btw, i DID add a .
i see this a kin to abortion ... you may not approve of the process but the reality is that it is not up for you to decide what another person does with her body ...
yes - there are issues of forced prostitution which i think could be addressed slightly by making it legal and regulating the industry ...
i can't read through all of the last 7 or 8 pages (though I might later), so i will just touch on what polaris said here.
i don't think organized prostitution should be legal. i don't think pimps should profit from it. but if one adults consents with another adult (or multiple adults)... they should have the freedom to do so.
i'd say the same thing about gambling. i don't think casinos should exist anywhere. but should friends be prevented from playing poker? of course not. especially not if it's strip poker.
What anyone chooses to do with their own body is their own business. If I choose to put a particular drug into my body then that's my choice. It doesn't effect anyone else. And If I choose to have sex for money then again it's my own choice.
People need to stop concerning themselves so much with the lives of others. Prostitution doesn't effect anyone but the people choosing to partake in it. The same goes with drugs. The only problems that occur are when other people begin interfering because they are incapable of minding their own business.
What anyone chooses to do with their own body is their own business. If I choose to put a particular drug into my body then that's my choice. It doesn't effect anyone else. And If I choose to have sex for money then again it's my own choice....
so how much do you charge steve? and what do i get for that?
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i can't read through all of the last 7 or 8 pages (though I might later), so i will just touch on what polaris said here.
i don't think organized prostitution should be legal. i don't think pimps should profit from it. but if one adults consents with another adult (or multiple adults)... they should have the freedom to do so.
i'd say the same thing about gambling. i don't think casinos should exist anywhere. but should friends be prevented from playing poker? of course not. especially not if it's strip poker.
Legalize everything that doesn't hurt anyone. The good lawd imbued us all, everyone, with intellect and free will. The freedom to choose for oneself. Be it whim or survival. So be a prostitute or just visit one. We have to begin accepting responsibility for our own actions -including fighting back against the morals police that would bully everyone to impose their own narrow behavioral scope on society "for it's own good". If you want to play the ponies, or 'craps', or blow a joint, or pay to shoot a load into a stranger, go for it, and go for it with gusto. I know prostitutes, strippers & porn actresses in several countries and they're some of the coolest, happiest people around. The party doesn't end. Who the hell is anybody to tell me that their law is more important than my own?
Legalize everything that doesn't hurt anyone. The good lawd imbued us all, everyone, with intellect and free will. The freedom to choose for oneself. Be it whim or survival. So be a prostitute or just visit one. We have to begin accepting responsibility for our own actions -including fighting back against the morals police that would bully everyone to impose their own narrow behavioral scope on society "for it's own good". If you want to play the ponies, or 'craps', or blow a joint, or pay to shoot a load into a stranger, go for it, and go for it with gusto. I know prostitutes, strippers & porn actresses in several countries and they're some of the coolest, happiest people around. The party doesn't end. Who the hell is anybody to tell me that their law is more important than my own?
I am curious, what exactly do people think is the difference between appreciating someone's beauty and objectifying them?
It's great to appreciate someone's beauty! I do this all the time, male or female. As long as you see them as human beings with feelings, and attempt to connect with their thoughts, feelings and intuitions as well.
someone viewing pornography is not doing this, for example. And it's been shown this type of thing increases desensitization to the humanity of women.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
It's great to appreciate someone's beauty! I do this all the time, male or female. As long as you see them as human beings with feelings, and attempt to connect with their thoughts, feelings and intuitions as well.
someone viewing pornography is not doing this, for example. And it's been shown this type of thing increases desensitization to the humanity of women.
So are you saying that if there is someone on tv or in a movie, it is wrong to think they are hot? Because there is no possible way for me to connect to their thoughts of feelings?
So are you saying that if there is someone on tv or in a movie, it is wrong to think they are hot? Because there is no possible way for me to connect to their thoughts of feelings?
If you find them to be hot, obviously that's just reality. It depends on what you do with those feelings. Do you objectify them and purely relate to their physical shell? Or do you think about them as a person. You may not know them individually, but most people have a degree of empathy, and can relate to the commonalities between others....We can empathize with how they might feel in different situations. Or, again, we can see them purely as a sexual fantasy which revolves around our sexual desires..ie: in fantasy, where the person is there to do our bidding.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
If you find them to be hot, obviously that's just reality. It depends on what you do with those feelings. Do you objectify them and purely relate to their physical shell? Or do you think about them as a person. You may not know them individually, but most people have a degree of empathy, and can relate to the commonalities between others....We can empathize with how they might feel in different situations. Or, again, we can see them purely as a sexual fantasy which revolves around our sexual desires..ie: in fantasy, where the person is there to do our bidding.
Question then, is appreciating someone purely for their physical beauty and nothing else, any different from appreciating a singer just for how well they can sing and nothing else, or a sprinter for how fast they can run and nothing else?
It's great to appreciate someone's beauty! I do this all the time, male or female. As long as you see them as human beings with feelings, and attempt to connect with their thoughts, feelings and intuitions as well.
someone viewing pornography is not doing this, for example. And it's been shown this type of thing increases desensitization to the humanity of women.
I get what you are saying angelica, but i look at it a little differently. The guys and girls in porn movies are not asking us to connect with their thoughts, feelings and intuitons. They are willingly being paid for a service, and that is to entertain whoever is watching their movie and to appeal to them in a sexual way. That's my belief anyway. One of my best friends gets absolutely savage with her boyfriend over porn and strip clubs. She goes off. I have no issues with it at all, Maybe i look at it differently than some other girls, i dunno, but it's a fact of life that men love looking at sexy girls. They absolutely do. And they like porn and they love looking at naked girls and strippers. It's entertainment, especially hot ones. I don't find that a threat to a relationship at all, because the way i see it is they are not going run off with this person. They look, they like what they see. Eye candy...it's harmless. Obviously i'm talking about if it's undertaken by consenting adults. Not talking about the illegal or underage stuff here obviously because i strongly disagree with that.
Until i met the person i wanted to spend my life with, I never really used to understand how men could get so turned on by that and not actually 'love' the person, because generally for girls there has to be some sort of connection to the person for them to want to lust after them in that way. I've come to understand that men don't think about or lust about the particular girl after the movie is over. If you have a good trusting relationship with your partner, and feel safe and secure in each others love, then it can actually enhance the relationship. Hot as hell.
I know everyone doesn't agree and that's totally ok. It's just my opinion.
I get what you are saying angelica, but i look at it a little differently. The guys and girls in porn movies are not asking us to connect with their thoughts, feelings and intuitons. They are willingly being paid for a service, and that is to entertain whoever is watching their movie and to appeal to them in a sexual way. That's my belief anyway. One of my best friends gets absolutely savage with her boyfriend over porn and strip clubs. She goes off. I have no issues with it at all, Maybe i look at it differently than some other girls, i dunno, but it's a fact of life that men love looking at sexy girls. They absolutely do. And they like porn and they love looking at naked girls and strippers. It's entertainment, especially hot ones. I don't find that a threat to a relationship at all, because the way i see it is they are not going run off with this person. They look, they like what they see. Eye candy...it's harmless. Obviously i'm talking about if it's undertaken by consenting adults. Not talking about the illegal or underage stuff here obviously because i strongly disagree with that.
Until i met the person i wanted to spend my life with, I never really used to understand how men could get so turned on by that and not actually 'love' the person, because generally for girls there has to be some sort of connection to the person for them to want to lust after them in that way. I've come to understand that men don't think about or lust about the particular girl after the movie is over. If you have a good trusting relationship with your partner, and feel safe and secure in each others love, then it can actually enhance the relationship. Hot as hell.
I know everyone doesn't agree and that's totally ok. It's just my opinion.
this post reminds me of how much i do actually like porn.
so thanks
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Question then, is appreciating someone purely for their physical beauty and nothing else, any different from appreciating a singer just for how well they can sing and nothing else, or a sprinter for how fast they can run and nothing else?
I think appreciating someone for skills, talents or abilities is the opposite of objectification.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I think appreciating someone for skills, talents or abilities is the opposite of objectification.
But isn't the ability to look really attractive an ability the same way the ability to run fast is? Both are a combination of something you are born with and something you have to work at.
But isn't the ability to look really attractive an ability the same way the ability to run fast is? Both are a combination of something you are born with and something you have to work at.
For me the issue isn't with someone not appreciating my ability to look attractive. I personally love that attention. It goes beyond my skill/ability, or that of other women's, to the intentions of the man (in this case ) in question. Does he appreciate me as a human being, and for my ability to look attractive/hot? Or does he look at me as an image or shell/object, there to do his bidding? Does he then tune out my feedback to the contrary? (this has happened to me a LOT)
I am grateful there are many amazing men who are looking for depth and integration with their sexuality. A holistic human/sexual experience, which reverberates on all levels.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I get what you are saying angelica, but i look at it a little differently. The guys and girls in porn movies are not asking us to connect with their thoughts, feelings and intuitons. They are willingly being paid for a service, and that is to entertain whoever is watching their movie and to appeal to them in a sexual way. That's my belief anyway. One of my best friends gets absolutely savage with her boyfriend over porn and strip clubs. She goes off. I have no issues with it at all, Maybe i look at it differently than some other girls, i dunno, but it's a fact of life that men love looking at sexy girls. They absolutely do. And they like porn and they love looking at naked girls and strippers. It's entertainment, especially hot ones. I don't find that a threat to a relationship at all, because the way i see it is they are not going run off with this person. They look, they like what they see. Eye candy...it's harmless. Obviously i'm talking about if it's undertaken by consenting adults. Not talking about the illegal or underage stuff here obviously because i strongly disagree with that.
Until i met the person i wanted to spend my life with, I never really used to understand how men could get so turned on by that and not actually 'love' the person, because generally for girls there has to be some sort of connection to the person for them to want to lust after them in that way. I've come to understand that men don't think about or lust about the particular girl after the movie is over. If you have a good trusting relationship with your partner, and feel safe and secure in each others love, then it can actually enhance the relationship. Hot as hell.
I know everyone doesn't agree and that's totally ok. It's just my opinion.
To each their own, of course. I celebrate the wide diversity of humanity.
I have used pornography in all of my relationships until ten years ago. I also have had many experiences sexually where I was not connected to my partner except sexually, by my own choice.
I always sought the new experience as they all came up lacking somehow. Once I found whole sexual experiences, where I'm connected with another on all levels, and have found Sacred Sexuality, there has been no turning back for me.
There is much debate as to whether pornography is harmless. Serial killers like Paul Bernardo (Canada) and Ted Bundy, for example, have sited pornography as contributing to the direction they've headed to.
People do what they do. My personal concern is on personally living at a high vibration. And with clarifying points, such as with objectification, which is quite different than implying others "should" live any differently than they do.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
For me the issue isn't with someone not appreciating my ability to look attractive. I personally love that attention. It goes beyond my skill/ability, or that of other women's, to the intentions of the man (in this case ) in question. Does he appreciate me as a human being, and for my ability to look attractive/hot? Or does he look at me as an image or shell/object, there to do his bidding? Does he then tune out my feedback to the contrary? (this has happened to me a LOT)
I am grateful there are many amazing men who are looking for depth and integration with their sexuality. A holistic human/sexual experience, which reverberates on all levels.
They key, really, is does the man act from 'lower' animal brain functioning? Or does he integrate his sexual desires with all levels of brain functioning. It's about evolutionary stages, ultimately....how close are we to animal, compared to being highly functioning humans?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Do you hang out with girls? Because they indeed don't pay
Anyway, I don't think my location matters, but I live in the Czech Republic now. Sometimes I even have to pay extra because I'm a foreigner too.
It's the same here. Bars often let women in for no money, but charge a cover for men. In college, some people hosting will ask for $5 to let you in, but girls go free. One girl I dated went to a school dominated by a Greek scene. She could go to any party, anywhere, anytime and drink until she was cross-eyed, all for free. But if I came to visit her, she had to find two girls, because they wouldn't even let us into the place as a couple, there had to be more girls with us.
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the bolded part was just a joke
It creeps the hell out of my girlfriend when I start telling her that "it puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose!"
Anyway, all this talk of objectifying women's sexy, gorgeous bodies... I'm going to throw on a porno. Y'all have a nice night!
well within the context of what overall seemed a pretty serious post....ANd no
anyhoo...great!
and i said, i agree!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
i can't read through all of the last 7 or 8 pages (though I might later), so i will just touch on what polaris said here.
i don't think organized prostitution should be legal. i don't think pimps should profit from it. but if one adults consents with another adult (or multiple adults)... they should have the freedom to do so.
i'd say the same thing about gambling. i don't think casinos should exist anywhere. but should friends be prevented from playing poker? of course not. especially not if it's strip poker.
People need to stop concerning themselves so much with the lives of others. Prostitution doesn't effect anyone but the people choosing to partake in it. The same goes with drugs. The only problems that occur are when other people begin interfering because they are incapable of minding their own business.
so how much do you charge steve? and what do i get for that?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Legalize everything that doesn't hurt anyone. The good lawd imbued us all, everyone, with intellect and free will. The freedom to choose for oneself. Be it whim or survival. So be a prostitute or just visit one. We have to begin accepting responsibility for our own actions -including fighting back against the morals police that would bully everyone to impose their own narrow behavioral scope on society "for it's own good". If you want to play the ponies, or 'craps', or blow a joint, or pay to shoot a load into a stranger, go for it, and go for it with gusto. I know prostitutes, strippers & porn actresses in several countries and they're some of the coolest, happiest people around. The party doesn't end. Who the hell is anybody to tell me that their law is more important than my own?
What about the example I gave earlier. Everytime I go out to a party I have to pay. Girls get in for free.
Injustice based on gender.
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Ahem, well, I'll have to send you my special glossy brochure.
Touché
And if we get rid of objectification 100%?
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Well said.
I am curious, what exactly do people think is the difference between appreciating someone's beauty and objectifying them?
Do you hang out with girls? Because they indeed don't pay
Anyway, I don't think my location matters, but I live in the Czech Republic now. Sometimes I even have to pay extra because I'm a foreigner too.
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someone viewing pornography is not doing this, for example. And it's been shown this type of thing increases desensitization to the humanity of women.
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So are you saying that if there is someone on tv or in a movie, it is wrong to think they are hot? Because there is no possible way for me to connect to their thoughts of feelings?
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Question then, is appreciating someone purely for their physical beauty and nothing else, any different from appreciating a singer just for how well they can sing and nothing else, or a sprinter for how fast they can run and nothing else?
Until i met the person i wanted to spend my life with, I never really used to understand how men could get so turned on by that and not actually 'love' the person, because generally for girls there has to be some sort of connection to the person for them to want to lust after them in that way. I've come to understand that men don't think about or lust about the particular girl after the movie is over. If you have a good trusting relationship with your partner, and feel safe and secure in each others love, then it can actually enhance the relationship. Hot as hell.
I know everyone doesn't agree and that's totally ok. It's just my opinion.
this post reminds me of how much i do actually like porn.
so thanks
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But isn't the ability to look really attractive an ability the same way the ability to run fast is? Both are a combination of something you are born with and something you have to work at.
I am grateful there are many amazing men who are looking for depth and integration with their sexuality. A holistic human/sexual experience, which reverberates on all levels.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I have used pornography in all of my relationships until ten years ago. I also have had many experiences sexually where I was not connected to my partner except sexually, by my own choice.
I always sought the new experience as they all came up lacking somehow. Once I found whole sexual experiences, where I'm connected with another on all levels, and have found Sacred Sexuality, there has been no turning back for me.
There is much debate as to whether pornography is harmless. Serial killers like Paul Bernardo (Canada) and Ted Bundy, for example, have sited pornography as contributing to the direction they've headed to.
People do what they do. My personal concern is on personally living at a high vibration. And with clarifying points, such as with objectification, which is quite different than implying others "should" live any differently than they do.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
It's the same here. Bars often let women in for no money, but charge a cover for men. In college, some people hosting will ask for $5 to let you in, but girls go free. One girl I dated went to a school dominated by a Greek scene. She could go to any party, anywhere, anytime and drink until she was cross-eyed, all for free. But if I came to visit her, she had to find two girls, because they wouldn't even let us into the place as a couple, there had to be more girls with us.