the system is flawed

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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Ms. Haiku wrote:
    That was probably one of the most remarkable outcomes at the end of the day. Who'd knew that could happen.



    sure, i believe in possibility, certainly knew it could happen...but no way was i thinking it would happen. i did harbor some high-hopes that there would be a CLEAR message sent by this election, and for that....it HAS imo. i was truly amazed and in awe last night as i was watching the results, and the more i read and see about it...the more it impresses me. such amazing results all the way round! now if those 4 undecided seats go democrat thus assuring no fillibusters....wow! but, even without them...i think the message is clear. most definitely looking forward and hopeful for the start of positive change for us all.


    of course, none of this erases the many flaws within the system, and i think most people are cognizant of this.....but truly borrowing on words, change occurs in waves......i believe it and hope to see it in action. we all have differing perspectives on how and why and what to change....but i do sincerely hope that change CAN occur from within, albeit slowly. forward motion is still always forward motion. :)
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    it is
    ...
    what is is what isn't isn't is it it is
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    angelica wrote:
    You have total agreement from me.

    Of course many are riding on a high now....so they aren't so willing to see the flaws. And when their guy begins to take flawed action, many will justify it, so as to reduce cognitive dissonance within....

    And still...the system is mightily flawed. The way people deal with the flaws generally is by denying them, and when they arise, to pin the blame on someone else..using good/bad duality, rather than an overall perception, understanding and realism.
    I've always agreed the system is very flawed and never once expected a fundamental change in policy from Obama.

    what I do expect are small shifts in policy, at home, abroad, which can directly affect many lives, can mean life or death. when you're the world's superpower your decisions are very important, to many around the world. that's why it was important to keep another Bush type of president from getting into the whitehouse.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    decides2dream wrote:
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    that said, you called mrs.v on calling it a landslide...and now agre it is in the traditional sense? so what was the point in disagreeing with the assessment in the first place? perhaps that's where the confusion lies..

    Because it is not a landslide in reality. It is only a landslide compared to other elections. When you only win 53% of the vote....47% is a lot of people to ignore.

    People gave W hell for his "mandate" when he won, but in reality it was an extremely slim margin. People need to start recognizing that while it's a win, many people disagree and it's important to take them into consideration.

    Obama acknoledging this is a good thing in my opinion, I hope it's not smoke, and it is part fo the reason why I voted for him despite disagreeing with him...often.
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  • i shit and i stink
    i shit and i stink Posts: 1,122
    decides2dream wrote:
    yes it is.
    do please mention one system that is *perfect*....without flaws, b/c i know of none. flaws exist, but that does not mean that the system does not always represent the will and desires of the people.



    change comes in waves....:)


    however, for today i am happy....flaws or not...b/c i think what we have today truly DOES represent the will of the people and speaks volumes of what we want to see for the future of this country. i am a truly flawed human being, as most people are....does not mean i can not work, cannot achieve greatness, cannot work towards my betterment and towars the betterment of the world. the world is an imperfect place....if we only accept perfection, we will get no where, fast.


    Churchill, who was always good for a soundbite on such occassions, said

    "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried"

    Enough said...
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Commy wrote:
    I've always agreed the system is very flawed and never once expected a fundamental change in policy from Obama.

    what I do expect are small shifts in policy, at home, abroad, which can directly affect many lives, can mean life or death. when you're the world's superpower your decisions are very important, to many around the world. that's why it was important to keep another Bush type of president from getting into the whitehouse.
    I remember you were on the Rhinocerous Surprise '08 team at one time!!

    Truthfully, when people are being realistic, I say more power to the diversity. I don't for a minute think my choice supercedes yours. I see them as different, and even complementary.

    I know you were saying yesterday that you will also hold Obama to account. I'm glad you feel that way. Hopefully more and more people will understand the beauty of that as we move along!
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    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    angelica wrote:
    I remember you were on the Rhinocerous Surprise '08 team at one time!!

    Truthfully, when people are being realistic, I say more power to the diversity. I don't for a minute think my choice supercedes yours. I see them as different, and even complementary.

    I know you were saying yesterday that you will also hold Obama to account. I'm glad you feel that way. Hopefully more and more people will understand the beauty of that as we move along!
    Damn I forgot about Rhino's campaign.

    next time...
  • BinGnarly
    BinGnarly Posts: 508
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    it is

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  • Jack_C_Gregory
    Jack_C_Gregory Posts: 540
    These people were real damn happy about the outcome:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np6vAuS0KNs
  • sweetpotato
    sweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    angelica wrote:
    You have total agreement from me.

    Of course many are riding on a high now....so they aren't so willing to see the flaws. And when their guy begins to take flawed action, many will justify it, so as to reduce cognitive dissonance within....

    And still...the system is mightily flawed. The way people deal with the flaws generally is by denying them, and when they arise, to pin the blame on someone else..using good/bad duality, rather than an overall perception, understanding and realism.

    yawn yawn fucking YAWN.

    quit yer bitchin' and get off yer ass and DO something about the flawed (read: created by humans) system if it gets you so worked up.

    otherwise, it all just sounds like so much sour grapes.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    sweetpotato wrote:
    yawn yawn fucking YAWN.

    quit yer bitchin' and get off yer ass and DO something about the flawed (read: created by humans) system if it gets you so worked up.

    otherwise, it all just sounds like so much sour grapes.
    That's interesting that you assume I don't do anything about the system...
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  • down_ski
    down_ski Posts: 328
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    it is


    Considering California gets 55 electoral votes? Yeah its flawed, Fuck Cali.
  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    down_ski wrote:
    Considering California gets 55 electoral votes? Yeah its flawed, Fuck Cali.

    I hope you are being sarcastic but in case you are not:

    California = 55 electoral votes with 38MIL approx people ....

    Texas = 34 electoral votes with 24MIL aprox people...

    NY = 31 electoral votes number 3 in the nation in population ...

    FL= 27 electoral votes numer 4 in population....

    You see the trend? doesnt really look that flawed now does it?
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  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:
    if by flawed you mean " the fact that the American People went out and made their voices be heard and chose a President by a landslide" then I guess it is flawed :rolleyes:

    It wasn't a landslide.
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  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    MattyJoe wrote:
    It wasn't a landslide.


    I have already explained this on this thread... I can really call it whatever I want, and the reason I chose to call it that is that turning states like OH, FL, IN, VA, NM, NV and CO should speak much much much louder than than the gap they had...

    but if you me rather saw "a lot" than "landslide" fine, he won by a lot and at the end of the day he could have won with 271 still makes him the winner...
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  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    The Electoral College does serve a purpose. It was created to reduce the effects of uninformed voters.

    For example, let's say a majority of people were persuaded into voting for a candidate from the Nazi party. The Electoral College is meant to override people's votes in cases like that where a candidate would truly be dangerous for the country.

    It's actually a pretty important thing to have.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • ReleaseMe...
    ReleaseMe... Posts: 494
    MattyJoe wrote:
    The Electoral College does serve a purpose. It was created to reduce the effects of uninformed voters.

    For example, let's say a majority of people were persuaded into voting for a candidate from the Nazi party. The Electoral College is meant to override people's votes in cases like that where a candidate would truly be dangerous for the country.

    It's actually a pretty important thing to have.
    thats how i feel after the outcome of this election. people were brainwashed. did you see the look in their eyes staring at him in grant park? staring at a video screen in times square? the EC did nothing
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  • heartdesire
    heartdesire Posts: 430
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    thats how i feel after the outcome of this election. people were brainwashed. did you see the look in their eyes staring at him in grant park? staring at a video screen in times square? the EC did nothing

    Brainwashed. No way. Get over it darlin'. You can say the same thing about McCain folks. No brainwashing. It's about the message. It's about beliefs.

    There is a passion, a commitment to his message that spoke to people. There is hope, rather than fear. That is what a majority of people want, myself included. There is work to be done and change is a process. Would rather be able to create change within an atmosphere of hope as opposed to the fear that has been created over the last 8 years.
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  • Ok
    Ok Posts: 2,146
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    it is


    worst post on the pit ever. period.
  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    thats how i feel after the outcome of this election. people were brainwashed. did you see the look in their eyes staring at him in grant park? staring at a video screen in times square? the EC did nothing


    WOW! is all I got for this one...
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