Thank you. I wasn't clear on your intentions and now understand where you are coming from. I appreciate your stance and concerns. Well said on projection!
You are very welcome! And thank-YOU! I appreciate your questions, consideration and openness!
This wave of hope was needed, and I am glad the opportunity has arrived. With this I am hoping for the best for all and am working towards greater awareness and responsibility in myself as well.
Cheers to you!
Hope is a beautiful thing! And very practical when it informs our words and deeds! As long as we stay realistic and balanced in that amazing hope! We all have the power within us!
Cheers to you!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
If people want to assume what that means, and respond to an assumption that's fine.
To me, I see there are myriad reasons the system is flawed.
For me, one of them is that clearly Obama has shown that he operates from duality thinking. And he represents a country that clearly generally operates from duality thinking. Therefore the time is coming where the US is going to consider themselves "right" and someone else "wrong" and will take action against the "wrong" party...perpetuating the blindness of denial and fragmented perception, and contributing to killing and death in the world. All the while perpetuating the ugliness in the human heart, and not rising to the occasion of understanding and problem solving.
Ummm your country ALREADY does this....Hello Iraq?????
Bush was like we're right...the UN and its inspectors are wrong...we're going to go in there and punish Sadam....who turned out to be INNOCENT of having Weapons of Mass Destruction!!! Was he an terrible man YES...but so are the rulers in Darfor and I don't see the US trying to help the people there. No Oil there so not worth the US's time right???
Open your eyes Anjelica...the Republcians have done all the things you have mentioned. I can see by your sour grapes you are a McCain supporter...I guess the system was ok when your Boys were getting electoral votes he had no right to (see 2000 election) but now that the Dems are getting votes they damn well earned...the system is flawed??? Ok.
BTW yes the system has flaws some years...but at least THIS year those flaws didn't determine the outcome of the election.
"Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
You are very welcome! And thank-YOU! I appreciate your questions, consideration and openness!
Hope is a beautiful thing! And very practical when it informs our words and deeds! As long as we stay realistic and balanced in that amazing hope! We all have the power within us!
Cheers to you!
Yes ... staying realistic and balanced is key. To note, amazing changes, to me, involve a leap of faith, active trust and faith in ones vision. Sometimes we have to go beyond the realistic as we know it to get there ... hope that makes sense as I'm not the most eloquent concise writer!
when people dont know WHY they are voting for someone (not the brilliant people posting on amt), and basically only vote for them because of his skin color or because his opponent is depicted as a friend of the devil, then theres a problem. when a popular vote so close turns into a landslide electoral college victory, theres a problem.
Just like it was a problem back in the 2000 election where Gore had the majority of the popular vote and BUSH won the election!!! THAT is a BIGGER problem but I didn't see you Republicans complaining then!!!
"Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
Ummm your country ALREADY does this....Hello Iraq?????
Bush was like we're right...the UN and its inspectors are wrong...we're going to go in there and punish Sadam....who turned out to be INNOCENT of having Weapons of Mass Destruction!!! Was he an terrible man YES...but so are the rulers in Darfor and I don't see the US trying to help the people there. No Oil there so not worth the US's time right???
Open your eyes Anjelica...the Republcians have done all the things you have mentioned. I can see by your sour grapes you are a McCain supporter...I guess the system was ok when your Boys were getting electoral votes he had no right to (see 2000 election) but now that the Dems are getting votes they damn well earned...the system is flawed??? Ok.
BTW yes the system has flaws some years...but at least THIS year those flaws didn't determine the outcome of the election.
It looks like it is you who needs to open your eyes:
1: I said the system is flawed. I mean it has always been flawed. I pointed out the flaws of the past 8 years as example in this very thread.
2: I am Canadian, like yourself. I also think our system is flawed, and don't participate in it.
3: I'm not close to being a McCain supporter. I am glad Obama has won of the two choices. I merely face the facts that all systems have strengths AND lacks. I call that being realistic. I believe that in order for us to be healthy and responsible, we must take responsibility for our actions and in order to do so, we must cut through denial and any smokescreen we might use to delude ourselves into thinking a new politician will erase lack...a lack that only we can resolve from within, individually. Hope is awesome. And yet, we must all 'bring it'.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Yes ... staying realistic and balanced is key. To note, amazing changes, to me, involve a leap of faith, active trust and faith in ones vision. Sometimes we have to go beyond the realistic as we know it to get there ... hope that makes sense as I'm not the most eloquent concise writer!
Angelica ... You Rock!
I completely agree, 100%, about the leap of faith and active trust in one's vision!!!! I also totally agree -- and I can't stress this enough -- that we have to go beyond realistic to get there! I live from these principles in each day!
You clearly rock yourself! Peace.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
The gap in between Obama and McCain is one of the biggest gaps in recent elections....
But I'm not sure as to what you are suggesting with that statement.
that was what i thought as well, but wasn't 100% certain....but i just heard it reiterated on CNN once again. it IS a historic gap in the popular vote, one that has not been seen in ages! i missed the year mentioned for how long.....but its celarly identified as long, and most definitely a historic number. so then, both the popular and electoral vote clearly illustrate the desire of the collective.....so i too wonder what is meant to be taken from the OP's comments in regards to the difference and what it may suggest?
it's an imperfect system in an imperfect world....and acknowledging it is one step, but also realizing it for what it is....is a good thing too. those who focus merely on the flaws, certainly their right....but it does not make them 'right' either. i personally believe in the power of working from within, others may not.
... those who focus merely on the flaws, certainly their right....but it does not make them 'right' either. i personally believe in the power of working from within, others may not.
change builds slowly, like a wave......
I can't imagine anyone focuses merely on the flaws. It's a natural part of our brain chemistry--of the the human amygdala--to recognize potential danger so that we can resolve it and avert it. This is an integrative and holistic function to recognize potential problems and to alter one's course before manifesting such issues in terms of consequences.
Whether it's right or wrong, it's certainly effective.
Change as I see it stems from an instantaneous switch from within, and from that inner shift, how it plays out or radiates may appear as more of a wave. Or even two steps forwards, one back. And still, at base, we can and do change our minds--the place from which all other changes flow from--in one instant.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Of course many are riding on a high now....so they aren't so willing to see the flaws. And when their guy begins to take flawed action, many will justify it, so as to reduce cognitive dissonance within....
And still...the system is mightily flawed. The way people deal with the flaws generally is by denying them, and when they arise, to pin the blame on someone else..using good/bad duality, rather than an overall perception, understanding and realism.
indeed
all they need is to be slightly better than the other guy
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yes it is.
do please mention one system that is *perfect*....without flaws, b/c i know of none. flaws exist, but that does not mean that the system does not always represent the will and desires of the people.
change comes in waves....:)
however, for today i am happy....flaws or not...b/c i think what we have today truly DOES represent the will of the people and speaks volumes of what we want to see for the future of this country. i am a truly flawed human being, as most people are....does not mean i can not work, cannot achieve greatness, cannot work towards my betterment and towars the betterment of the world. the world is an imperfect place....if we only accept perfection, we will get no where, fast.
change comes in waves but not if the waves remain motionless
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
change comes in waves but not if the waves remain motionless
we all rock the boat in our own way.
differing perspectives on who rocks and how much...i respect that. either way, we still will go forward and things will change. how much, how far, to who's benefit...again......it's all your own pov. life is nothing if not change. some may not even be change you desire or approve of, but none the less...it changes.
right now, whether one agrees or disagrees....i am pleased to se that the collective HAS made a clear choice. that is a positive step in and of itself. again, agree...disagree....c'est la vie. and still, life is all forward motion.
(btw- just being a stikler.....a wave, by definition, canNOT remain motionless) just sayin'......
Yes the system is flawed and has become more so as the years pile on.
You say that Obama operates from duality thinking. And Bush, Cheney, McCain or Palin don't? In your mind what is the solution, or movement to a solution? We already live in a time where the US feels and act on the "right" and "wrong", where have you been, especially the last 8 years where it has reared its ugly head even more?
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but obama ran on being so different
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Of course many are riding on a high now....so they aren't so willing to see the flaws. And when their guy begins to take flawed action, many will justify it, so as to reduce cognitive dissonance within....
And still...the system is mightily flawed. The way people deal with the flaws generally is by denying them, and when they arise, to pin the blame on someone else..using good/bad duality, rather than an overall perception, understanding and realism.
Choice was between two men....in this game you have to pick one..or none....if you picked McCain we would have had continued the us against them mentality. There are many in our country that thrive on this stife, and McCain strategy was to capitalize on this. With the other candidate, we get inclusion, understanding. Will he be perfect, no. Will he have all the answers, no, but he's surely the best choice and this will turn our country, ever so slightly towards peace and reconciliation....just give it some time. I feel the positive vibes..
we all rock the boat in our own way.
differing perspectives on who rocks and how much...i respect that. either way, we still will go forward and things will change. how much, how far, to who's benefit...again......it's all your own pov. life is nothing if not change. some may not even be change you desire or approve of, but none the less...it changes.
right now, whether one agrees or disagrees....i am pleased to se that the collective HAS made a clear choice. that is a positive step in and of itself. again, agree...disagree....c'est la vie. and still, life is all forward motion.
(btw- just being a stikler.....a wave, by definition, canNOT remain motionless) just sayin'......
i will wait for this change you all speak of, other than color barrier
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i understand metaphor...but sorry if i find a 'motionless wave' a poor one.
and we all are there right now.
sorry to have failed in your eyes, dear
perhaps i will try to think of a better one
or perhaps i won't think about it again
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Choice was between two men....in this game you have to pick one..or none....if you picked McCain we would have had continued the us against them mentality. There are many in our country that thrive on this stife, and McCain strategy was to capitalize on this. With the other candidate, we get inclusion, understanding. Will he be perfect, no. Will he have all the answers, no, but he's surely the best choice and this will turn our country, ever so slightly towards peace and reconciliation....just give it some time. I feel the positive vibes..
If that happens, great.
My personal big concern is Iran, and the numbers of "reasonable" Americans who have bought into this scary unchecked ego idea of pre-emptively running around unleashing their own ugliness on others in the false name of "good". This is way beyond Obama, and he's going to have to deal. I look forward to see how he manages the situation through this process. How he does will be telling to me.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
if by flawed you mean " the fact that the American People went out and made their voices be heard and chose a President by a landslide" then I guess it is flawed :rolleyes:
Landslide huh? You sound like W and his "mandate"...
Look at the % of people that didn't vote for Obama...here's a hint...it's pretty high.
Hardly a landslide in the grand scheme of things. Obama even already refered to this which i thought was smart and classy.
My personal big concern is Iran, and the numbers of "reasonable" Americans who have bought into this scary unchecked ego idea of pre-emptively running around unleashing their own ugliness on others in the false name of "good". This is way beyond Obama, and he's going to have to deal. I look forward to see how he manages the situation through this process. How he does will be telling to me.
Again we can't expect miracles but Obama's on the record for saying communications with Iran is acceptable, versus McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran"
Strongly feel Obama's the best choice for so many reasons for this world...both due to his race, father being a muslim and having a more holistic modern view....its a really good thing.
all they need is to be slightly better than the other guy
It's interesting to me that when people are disconnected from their inner power, they look outside for it, in the guise of any saviour (or fill in the blank). It's a sure sign to me that this happens when people see the potential good only. When they cannot appreciate the potential flaw and thereby see a balanced realistic view, I know imbalance is afoot and I see this on a widespread level (and therefore agree with the OP). A sure sign is what we've seen over and over on this board...where people rationalize away or justify the flaw. It's scary, dangerous denial, plain and simple.
And to be fair, I also recognize many of you are discerning the information, good and bad, and merely are coming to a different decision than I might. Again, what concerns me is the blind mystification that is NOT discernment.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Again we can't expect miracles but Obama's on the record for saying communications with Iran is acceptable, versus McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran"
Strongly feel Obama's the best choice for so many reasons for this world...both due to his race, father being a muslim and having a more holistic modern view....its a really good thing.
In general, I feel a lot of healthy potential at this point. I'm excited at the possibilities that seem beyond the very dark darkness of these past years. And yet, it's important that we all stay aware, and open to see what's really happening (good and bad) rather than blindly protect 'our guy'. We need to be realistically informed so we can speak to what we'd like to see, rather than justify and support what we don't want to see.
edit: I think it's ESPECIALLY important that the informed, concerned, aware people like on this board stay realistic and aware, because it's through people such as ourselves that the information trickles down to the majority of less aware people, like the person next to us at work. We have a HUGE impact.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Landslide huh? You sound like W and his "mandate"...
Look at the % of people that didn't vote for Obama...here's a hint...it's pretty high.
Hardly a landslide in the grand scheme of things. Obama even already refered to this which i thought was smart and classy.
To me it is, it wasn't even close as far as electoral votes, the popular votes is one of the biggest gaps we've seen in years and the fact that red states such as IN, NM, CO, NV, FL, OH and VA turned blue says more to me than anything else....
What diff doesnt it make anyways... what I decide to call it...?
"Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV
To me it is, it wasn't even close as far as electoral votes, the popular votes is one of the biggest gaps we've seen in years and that facts that red states such as IN, NM, CO, NV, FL, OH and VA turned blue says more to me than anything else....
What diff doesnt it make anyways... what I decide to call it...?
Yep, you can call it whatever you like, it certainly is a "landslide" in the traditional sense. But in reality many people didn;t vote for Obama and I'm glad he mentioned it and I hope he pays attention to it, unlike W.
Yep, you can call it whatever you like, it certainly is a "landslide" in the traditional sense. But in reality many people didn;t vote for Obama and I'm glad he mentioned it and I hope he pays attention to it, unlike W.
absolutely, all good.
i agree, it IS wise for him to acknowledge he was not everyone's choice...and all the more reason he was my choice, b/c it does seem he truly does attempt to discern such information and acknowlege it's importance.
that said, you called mrs.v on calling it a landslide...and now agre it is in the traditional sense? so what was the point in disagreeing with the assessment in the first place? perhaps that's where the confusion lies.
while i personally would not use the term 'landslide'...it really is pov there. this election IS historic on so many levels:
the most obvious - first african american, mixed race, whatever term for a person of color you choose - to be elected president.
high voter turnout - 64%
high youth turnout
high new voter registration
largest gap in the popular vote is years - wish i knew just how many! - but it is a BIG deal. obama's 53% to mccain's 47%.
huge gap in electoral votes. obama didn't merely meet the requirement of 270...he FAr exceeded it by hitting what, 340?
all of this may not 100% reflect on obama the candidate and a lot may be due to rejection of the current administration and a desire to move FAR away from it, but absolutely.....a good portion of all this 'historic vote' DOES lie with obama, his message, his ideals...and his campaign.
it is interesting if those who truly believe this system is SO flawed.....IF a third party candidate were to get elected, would you think it no longer flawed? it STILL would fundamentally be the same system, just that a 3rd party broke a barrier. personally, i think the inherent flaws would still greatly exist. i do not know the answers for creating a less flawed system, overall i am pretty happy with the system, even with the flaws...i just think we as a people have lost our way a lot.
Electoral College doesn't seem necessary. Extra steps cost money, and I don't have statistics on this, but I wonder if the Electoral College was removed if it would at least save a little bit of money.
It was probably necessary when it was first created, but I don't think it necessarily protects the rights of smaller states anymore. I don't see how it could have back in the 1700's when it was created.
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
comparing to the last 2 elections and the fact that he turned not one but several red states blue yes I chose to call it that...
I think that states like OH, FL, IN, NM, CO, NV, VA voted for a Democratic president president speak much louder than how many electoral votes they have...
That was probably one of the most remarkable outcomes at the end of the day. Who'd knew that could happen.
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
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Hope is a beautiful thing! And very practical when it informs our words and deeds! As long as we stay realistic and balanced in that amazing hope! We all have the power within us!
Cheers to you!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
The gap in between Obama and McCain is one of the biggest gaps in recent elections....
But I'm not sure as to what you are suggesting with that statement.
Ummm your country ALREADY does this....Hello Iraq?????
Bush was like we're right...the UN and its inspectors are wrong...we're going to go in there and punish Sadam....who turned out to be INNOCENT of having Weapons of Mass Destruction!!! Was he an terrible man YES...but so are the rulers in Darfor and I don't see the US trying to help the people there. No Oil there so not worth the US's time right???
Open your eyes Anjelica...the Republcians have done all the things you have mentioned. I can see by your sour grapes you are a McCain supporter...I guess the system was ok when your Boys were getting electoral votes he had no right to (see 2000 election) but now that the Dems are getting votes they damn well earned...the system is flawed??? Ok.
BTW yes the system has flaws some years...but at least THIS year those flaws didn't determine the outcome of the election.
Yes ... staying realistic and balanced is key. To note, amazing changes, to me, involve a leap of faith, active trust and faith in ones vision. Sometimes we have to go beyond the realistic as we know it to get there ... hope that makes sense as I'm not the most eloquent concise writer!
Angelica ... You Rock!
Just like it was a problem back in the 2000 election where Gore had the majority of the popular vote and BUSH won the election!!! THAT is a BIGGER problem but I didn't see you Republicans complaining then!!!
1: I said the system is flawed. I mean it has always been flawed. I pointed out the flaws of the past 8 years as example in this very thread.
2: I am Canadian, like yourself. I also think our system is flawed, and don't participate in it.
3: I'm not close to being a McCain supporter. I am glad Obama has won of the two choices. I merely face the facts that all systems have strengths AND lacks. I call that being realistic. I believe that in order for us to be healthy and responsible, we must take responsibility for our actions and in order to do so, we must cut through denial and any smokescreen we might use to delude ourselves into thinking a new politician will erase lack...a lack that only we can resolve from within, individually. Hope is awesome. And yet, we must all 'bring it'.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
You clearly rock yourself! Peace.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
that was what i thought as well, but wasn't 100% certain....but i just heard it reiterated on CNN once again. it IS a historic gap in the popular vote, one that has not been seen in ages! i missed the year mentioned for how long.....but its celarly identified as long, and most definitely a historic number. so then, both the popular and electoral vote clearly illustrate the desire of the collective.....so i too wonder what is meant to be taken from the OP's comments in regards to the difference and what it may suggest?
it's an imperfect system in an imperfect world....and acknowledging it is one step, but also realizing it for what it is....is a good thing too. those who focus merely on the flaws, certainly their right....but it does not make them 'right' either. i personally believe in the power of working from within, others may not.
change builds slowly, like a wave......
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Whether it's right or wrong, it's certainly effective.
Change as I see it stems from an instantaneous switch from within, and from that inner shift, how it plays out or radiates may appear as more of a wave. Or even two steps forwards, one back. And still, at base, we can and do change our minds--the place from which all other changes flow from--in one instant.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
indeed
all they need is to be slightly better than the other guy
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
change comes in waves but not if the waves remain motionless
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
we all rock the boat in our own way.
differing perspectives on who rocks and how much...i respect that. either way, we still will go forward and things will change. how much, how far, to who's benefit...again......it's all your own pov. life is nothing if not change. some may not even be change you desire or approve of, but none the less...it changes.
right now, whether one agrees or disagrees....i am pleased to se that the collective HAS made a clear choice. that is a positive step in and of itself. again, agree...disagree....c'est la vie. and still, life is all forward motion.
(btw- just being a stikler.....a wave, by definition, canNOT remain motionless)
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
but obama ran on being so different
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metaphor
i will wait for this change you all speak of, other than color barrier
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i understand metaphor...but sorry if i find a 'motionless wave' a poor one.
and we all are there right now.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
sorry to have failed in your eyes, dear
perhaps i will try to think of a better one
or perhaps i won't think about it again
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
My personal big concern is Iran, and the numbers of "reasonable" Americans who have bought into this scary unchecked ego idea of pre-emptively running around unleashing their own ugliness on others in the false name of "good". This is way beyond Obama, and he's going to have to deal. I look forward to see how he manages the situation through this process. How he does will be telling to me.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Landslide huh? You sound like W and his "mandate"...
Look at the % of people that didn't vote for Obama...here's a hint...it's pretty high.
Hardly a landslide in the grand scheme of things. Obama even already refered to this which i thought was smart and classy.
Again we can't expect miracles but Obama's on the record for saying communications with Iran is acceptable, versus McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran"
Strongly feel Obama's the best choice for so many reasons for this world...both due to his race, father being a muslim and having a more holistic modern view....its a really good thing.
And to be fair, I also recognize many of you are discerning the information, good and bad, and merely are coming to a different decision than I might. Again, what concerns me is the blind mystification that is NOT discernment.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
edit: I think it's ESPECIALLY important that the informed, concerned, aware people like on this board stay realistic and aware, because it's through people such as ourselves that the information trickles down to the majority of less aware people, like the person next to us at work. We have a HUGE impact.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
To me it is, it wasn't even close as far as electoral votes, the popular votes is one of the biggest gaps we've seen in years and the fact that red states such as IN, NM, CO, NV, FL, OH and VA turned blue says more to me than anything else....
What diff doesnt it make anyways... what I decide to call it...?
Yep, you can call it whatever you like, it certainly is a "landslide" in the traditional sense. But in reality many people didn;t vote for Obama and I'm glad he mentioned it and I hope he pays attention to it, unlike W.
for someone who voted for Obama you sound pretty bitter about it....
Good point. Great argument.
absolutely, all good.
i agree, it IS wise for him to acknowledge he was not everyone's choice...and all the more reason he was my choice, b/c it does seem he truly does attempt to discern such information and acknowlege it's importance.
that said, you called mrs.v on calling it a landslide...and now agre it is in the traditional sense? so what was the point in disagreeing with the assessment in the first place? perhaps that's where the confusion lies.
while i personally would not use the term 'landslide'...it really is pov there. this election IS historic on so many levels:
the most obvious - first african american, mixed race, whatever term for a person of color you choose - to be elected president.
high voter turnout - 64%
high youth turnout
high new voter registration
largest gap in the popular vote is years - wish i knew just how many! - but it is a BIG deal. obama's 53% to mccain's 47%.
huge gap in electoral votes. obama didn't merely meet the requirement of 270...he FAr exceeded it by hitting what, 340?
all of this may not 100% reflect on obama the candidate and a lot may be due to rejection of the current administration and a desire to move FAR away from it, but absolutely.....a good portion of all this 'historic vote' DOES lie with obama, his message, his ideals...and his campaign.
it is interesting if those who truly believe this system is SO flawed.....IF a third party candidate were to get elected, would you think it no longer flawed? it STILL would fundamentally be the same system, just that a 3rd party broke a barrier. personally, i think the inherent flaws would still greatly exist. i do not know the answers for creating a less flawed system, overall i am pretty happy with the system, even with the flaws...i just think we as a people have lost our way a lot.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
It was probably necessary when it was first created, but I don't think it necessarily protects the rights of smaller states anymore. I don't see how it could have back in the 1700's when it was created.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College
Anyone do a lot of research on this?
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird