the system is flawed

ReleaseMe...

it is

BinFrog

If you want to start a conversation you might want to give more info than "it is". Less is sometimes more, but here's it's, well, less.

Pacomc79

Electoral College discussion?

Strangest Tribe

It was flawed in 2000 but it has worked both elections since. The popular vote and electorate have had the same outcome.

SVRDhand13

ReleaseMe... wrote:

it is

Thanks for the insight.

Gonzo1977

I don't know

It worked pretty good last night

Mrs.Vedder78

ReleaseMe... wrote:

it is

if by flawed you mean " the fact that the American People went out and made their voices be heard and chose a President by a landslide" then I guess it is flawed :rolleyes:

angelica

ReleaseMe... wrote:

it is

You have total agreement from me.

Of course many are riding on a high now....so they aren't so willing to see the flaws. And when their guy begins to take flawed action, many will justify it, so as to reduce cognitive dissonance within....

And still...the system is mightily flawed. The way people deal with the flaws generally is by denying them, and when they arise, to pin the blame on someone else..using good/bad duality, rather than an overall perception, understanding and realism.

SVRDhand13

angelica wrote:

You have total agreement from me.

Of course many are riding on a high now....so they aren't so willing to see the flaws. And when their guy begins to take flawed action, many will justify it, so as to reduce cognitive dissonance within....

And still...the system is mightily flawed. The way people deal with the flaws generally is by denying them, and when they arise, to pin the blame on someone else..using good/bad duality, rather than an overall perception, understanding and realism.

And yet you don't mention any flaws here.

Mrs.Vedder78

angelica wrote:

You have total agreement from me.

Of course many are riding on a high now....so they aren't so willing to see the flaws. And when their guy begins to take flawed action, many will justify it, so as to reduce cognitive dissonance within....

And still...the system is mightily flawed. The way people deal with the flaws generally is by denying them, and when they arise, to pin the blame on someone else..using good/bad duality, rather than an overall perception, understanding and realism.

Please humor me and attempt to explain to me what you mean with flawed system.
Because what we saw yesterday was democracy ( as oppose to example: 2000 Election) yesterday the people in this country chose who they want to give a chance for change.... and that's what this country is all about.

President elect Barack Obama will be held up to everything he promised and we will see in 4 years what he accomplished and where we are at.

Last time I checked Democracy was not a flaw in the system.

We might be riding on a high, and why not all of us who supported President elect Back Obama made history, but all of you who didn't are ultimately just sour grapes.

angelica

Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:

Please humor me and attempt to explain to me what you mean with flawed system.
Because what we saw yesterday was democracy ( as oppose to example: 2000 Election) yesterday the people in this country chose who they want to give a chance for change.... and that's what this country is all about.

President elect Barack Obama will be held up to everything he promised and we will see in 4 years what he accomplished and where we are at.

Last time I checked Democracy was not a flaw in the system.

We might be riding on a high, and why not all of us who supported President elect Back Obama made history, but all of you who didn't are ultimately just sour grapes.

Are you saying because Obama is now about to be sworn in as President that all the deplorable aspects of the system, which we've all (the whole world) so painfully faced for 8 years, just don't exist?

Interesting...

angelica

SVRDhand13 wrote:

And yet you don't mention any flaws here.

My mentioning them is a separate issue as to whether or not they exist.

Mrs.Vedder78

angelica wrote:

Are you saying because Obama is now about to be sworn in as President that all the deplorable aspects of the system, which we've all (the whole world) so painfully faced for 8 years, just don't exist?

Interesting...

No that's not what I said.

The OP makes a statement right after an election which obviously is referring to the victory of President elect Barack Obama and if he didn't then maybe he should have considered contributing more to his post.

What we saw happen yesterday was Democracy and there is nothing flawed with that is what I said.

That Washington is flawed you bet it is, and I'm hopeful that this is when thigs will start changing.

meme

Can we fix it? Yes we can!

decides2dream

ReleaseMe... wrote:

it is

yes it is.
do please mention one system that is *perfect*....without flaws, b/c i know of none. flaws exist, but that does not mean that the system does not always represent the will and desires of the people.



change comes in waves....:)


however, for today i am happy....flaws or not...b/c i think what we have today truly DOES represent the will of the people and speaks volumes of what we want to see for the future of this country. i am a truly flawed human being, as most people are....does not mean i can not work, cannot achieve greatness, cannot work towards my betterment and towars the betterment of the world. the world is an imperfect place....if we only accept perfection, we will get no where, fast.

faithful2you

meme wrote:

Can we fix it? Yes we can!

That's going to get old in a hurry Bob.

angelica

Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:

No that's not what I said.

The OP makes a statement right after an election which obviously is referring to the vistory of President elect Barack Obama and he didn't then maybe he should have considered contributing more to his post.

What we saw happen yesterday was Democracy and there is nothing flawed with that is what I said.

That Washington is flawed you bet it is, and I'm hopeful that this is when thigs will start changing.

The OP made a very vague, very short statement.

If people want to assume what that means, and respond to an assumption that's fine.

To me, I see there are myriad reasons the system is flawed.

For me, one of them is that clearly Obama has shown that he operates from duality thinking. And he represents a country that clearly generally operates from duality thinking. Therefore the time is coming where the US is going to consider themselves "right" and someone else "wrong" and will take action against the "wrong" party...perpetuating the blindness of denial and fragmented perception, and contributing to killing and death in the world. All the while perpetuating the ugliness in the human heart, and not rising to the occasion of understanding and problem solving.

I see many strengths Obama brings to the table, and hopefully he will have the ability to operate from those strengths for the most part. As opposed to having to bow to the majority who are not yet at his stage of awareness and will demand, rightfully so, that he represent them. Ultimately, we're only as strong as our weakest link.

The system is flawed....

faithful2you

Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:

if by flawed you mean " the fact that the American People went out and made their voices be heard and chose a President by a landslide" then I guess it is flawed :rolleyes:

you call that a landslide?

Strangest Tribe

I once bought some pants that were flawed. I actually wore them.

WTF????arewetalkingabout

Mrs.Vedder78

faithful2you wrote:

you call that a landslide?

comparing to the last 2 elections and the fact that he turned not one but several red states blue yes I chose to call it that...

I think that states like OH, FL, IN, NM, CO, NV, VA voted for a Democratic president president speak much louder than how many electoral votes they have...

decides2dream

Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:

comparing to the last 2 elections and the fact that he turned not one but several red states blue yes I chose to call it that...

I think that states like OH, FL, IN, NM, CO, NV, VA voted for a Democratic president president speak much louder than how many electoral votes they have...

besides, the fact, his electoral vote count was pretty damn impressive in it's own right.



as i said earlier...yep, the system is 'flawed' as is almost all systems. still does not mean it does not represent the will and desires of the people. it's a long, hard road ahead...i think we as a country chose the right president-elect to guide us through it. and if we didn't, we will reap what we sow. at least right now, as a collective, i feel like we DID make this choice, and it does speak volumes.