Iran is lying about its nuke program

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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    saddam did have WMDs at some point in time. where they went probably died with saddam..

    OMG you still believe that? It is a lie, plain simple, let it go.

    jlew24asu wrote:
    well the people talking in the article I posted work for the IAEA. maybe you shouldnt have such a closed minded view of the world.

    I don't have a closed minded view i just don't eat up every piece of warmongering crap that the papers print.
    jlew24asu wrote:
    because this isnt a fucking game. we cant let everyone in the world have nukes just because. if they want nuclear power, thats different, but they are openly lying about their program now. their are rules to follow in this game, and they're not. Iran having nukes could lead to an arms race in the region with all extremist Islamic fascists dictators seeking to gain these horrible weapons. most of those governments have proven they cant be trusted and these ruthless dictators change all the time. just look at pakistan. that is the last country on earth who should have them, but they do. now the world is watching to see who comes to power.

    No it's not a game and personally i think no one should have nukes at all.

    But again i will ask you how you equate not reveling everything with them making nukes, you are jumping to big conclusions.

    Personally i feel the west is the biggest threat to world peace at the moment.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    OMG you still believe that? It is a lie, plain simple, let it go.

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/18714.htm


    spiral out wrote:
    I don't have a closed minded view i just don't eat up every piece of warmongering crap that the papers print.
    you automatically dismiss it. which closes your mind.

    spiral out wrote:
    No it's not a game and personally i think no one should have nukes at all.

    But again i will ask you how you equate not reveling everything with them making nukes, you are jumping to big conclusions.

    Personally i feel the west is the biggest threat to world peace at the moment.

    at the moment, with the US in Iraq, yes we are disrupting peace. but Iran is bringing trouble on itself but not being honest about their nuke program. be honest and 100% transparent and we wouldnt be having this conversation.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/18714.htm



    you automatically dismiss it. which closes your mind.




    at the moment, with the US in Iraq, yes we are disrupting peace. but Iran is bringing trouble on itself but not being honest about their nuke program. be honest and 100% transparent and we wouldnt be having this conversation.

    Ok in america, Iraq had WMD's in the rest of the world it is known to be false. Happy.

    Oh and while your there would you like to tell me who sold them the cemical wepons? Oh would that be america.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Ok in america, Iraq had WMD's in the rest of the world it is known to be false. Happy.

    I just posted a link showing you proof he used WMDs yet you say its false? wow talk about close minded.
    spiral out wrote:
    Oh and while your there would you like to tell me who sold them the cemical wepons?

    came from all over the world, including the big bad USA.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Program_development_1960s_-_1980s

    http://jarrarsupariver.blogspot.com/2007/01/where-did-saddam-get-his-chemical.html


    * All told, 52% of Iraq's international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin.
    * Around 21% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was French.
    * About 100 tons of mustard gas also came from Brazil.
    * The United Kingdom paid for a chlorine factory that was intended to be used for manufacturing mustard gas
    * An Austrian company gave Iraq calutrons for enriching uranium. The nation also provided heat exchangers, tanks, condensers, and columns for the Iraqi chemical weapons infrastructure, 16% of the international sales.
    * Singapore gave 4,515 tons of precursors for VX, sarin, tabun, and mustard gasses to Iraq.
    * The Dutch gave 4,261 tons of precursors for sarin, tabun, mustard, and tear gasses to Iraq.
    * Egypt gave 2,400 tons of tabun and sarin precursors to Iraq and 28,500 tons of weapons designed for carrying chemical munitions.
    * India gave 2,343 tons of precursors to VX, tabun, Sarin, and mustard gasses.
    * Luxemburg gave Iraq 650 tons of mustard gas precursors.
    * Spain gave Iraq 57,500 munitions designed for carrying chemical weapons. In addition, they provided reactors, condensers, columns and tanks for Iraq’s chemical warfare program, 4.4% of the international sales.
    * China provided 45,000 munitions designed for chemical warfare.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I just posted a link showing you proof he used WMDs yet you say its false? wow talk about close minded.

    No i said america sold the chemical wepons that you point out from 98 to Saddam.

    What i am saying is the reason for going into the Iraq war were false, ok understand.

    Now least you forget england is involved in the stupidity of that war and therefore we have news on it aswell, and our stupid puppet goverment sold us the same bullshit you were sold.

    It is a known fact that the WMD's story is false now let it go.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you fucking people are so thick. there is a big difference between WMD with Iran and Iraq. Saddam said they didnt have them and Iran's president said they are moving forward with enriching uranium. Iran's president will stand there and say its for electricity but proceed to lie about it directly to the IAEA.


    So the States and maybe a couple of other countries gave Iraq the gasses to use once upon a time and (to steal a term from you) you people are so thick and have a memory of a goldfish that you can just let it slide. Or you will use your old, "that was then" line.

    And because I am lazy to look up who started up Irans nuke program back in the day of the Shah, knowing it was either the US or France I do believe. So tell me again Captain America, why I should even bother to listen to the hot air about chemicals and atom chasing coming from you or anybody who lives in your country who has the wet dream of nobody who you get told to not like having a nuclear program.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    No i said america sold the chemical wepons that you point out from 98 to Saddam.

    came from all over the world, including the big bad USA.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_an...96 0s_-_1980s

    http://jarrarsupariver.blogspot.com/...-chemical.html


    * All told, 52% of Iraq's international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin.
    * Around 21% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was French.
    * About 100 tons of mustard gas also came from Brazil.
    * The United Kingdom paid for a chlorine factory that was intended to be used for manufacturing mustard gas
    * An Austrian company gave Iraq calutrons for enriching uranium. The nation also provided heat exchangers, tanks, condensers, and columns for the Iraqi chemical weapons infrastructure, 16% of the international sales.
    * Singapore gave 4,515 tons of precursors for VX, sarin, tabun, and mustard gasses to Iraq.
    * The Dutch gave 4,261 tons of precursors for sarin, tabun, mustard, and tear gasses to Iraq.
    * Egypt gave 2,400 tons of tabun and sarin precursors to Iraq and 28,500 tons of weapons designed for carrying chemical munitions.
    * India gave 2,343 tons of precursors to VX, tabun, Sarin, and mustard gasses.
    * Luxemburg gave Iraq 650 tons of mustard gas precursors.
    * Spain gave Iraq 57,500 munitions designed for carrying chemical weapons. In addition, they provided reactors, condensers, columns and tanks for Iraq’s chemical warfare program, 4.4% of the international sales.
    * China provided 45,000 munitions designed for chemical warfare.
    spiral out wrote:
    What i am saying is the reason for going into the Iraq war were false, ok understand.
    I agree and have not disputed that
    spiral out wrote:
    Now least you forget england is involved in the stupidity of that war and therefore we have news on it aswell, and our stupid puppet goverment sold us the same bullshit you were sold.

    It is a known fact that the WMD's story is false now let it go.

    saddam had WMDs at one point. learn to get that through your thick little head.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    So the States and maybe a couple of other countries gave Iraq the gasses to use once upon a time and (to steal a term from you) you people are so thick and have a memory of a goldfish that you can just let it slide. Or you will use your old, "that was then" line.
    maybe a couple other states? you mean Germany, France, UK, Brazil, Autria, Singapore, Epypt, India, Luxenburg, Spain, China and im sure many more we dont know about eh?

    I have never used a that was then line. and I have no idea what you are getting at anyway?
    even flow? wrote:
    And because I am lazy to look up who started up Irans nuke program back in the day of the Shah, knowing it was either the US or France I do believe. So tell me again Captain America, why I should even bother to listen to the hot air about chemicals and atom chasing coming from you or anybody who lives in your country who has the wet dream of nobody who you get told to not like having a nuclear program.

    your fucking rants make no sense. its the IAEA who is calling the shots. not the US, France, UK or anyone else.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:

    saddam had WMDs at one point. learn to get that through your thick little head.

    Yes and your point is what? The reasons for going to war were false, so weather they had WMDs a few years previously or not is of no consequence little boy.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Yes and your point is what? The reasons for going to war were false, so weather they had WMDs a few years previously or not is of no consequence little boy.

    I'm not little. and maybe you should try some of your own material ;)

    good to see you finally agree that WMDs existed. now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go debate with some of the grown ups.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I agree and have not disputed that

    Infact a few post up you told me that Iraq had WMD's and there for the reason to go to war was valid and now you are agreeing that Iraq had no WMD's so it was a LIE make you mind up will you.
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    spiral out wrote:
    Yes and your point is what? The reasons for going to war were false, so weather they had WMDs a few years previously or not is of no consequence little boy.


    well, you're full of crap...the 17 resolutions, the world's backing, him killing his own, on and on.....
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I'm not little. and maybe you should try some of your own material ;)

    good to see you finally agree that WMDs existed. now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go debate with some of the grown ups.

    Look did they find these so called WMD's which was the whole reason for going to war, NO they did not.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Infact a few post up you told me that Iraq had WMD's and there for the reason to go to war was valid and now you are agreeing that Iraq had no WMD's so it was a LIE make you mind up will you.

    where did I say it was valid for going to war? please show me. all I said is that Iraq did have WMDs. something you denied and told me to get over until 2 posts ago.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    maybe a couple other states? you mean Germany, France, UK, Brazil, Autria, Singapore, Epypt, India, Luxenburg, Spain, China and im sure many more we dont know about eh?

    I have never used a that was then line. and I have no idea what you are getting at anyway?



    your fucking rants make no sense. its the IAEA who is calling the shots. not the US, France, UK or anyone else.


    At least you try and read them so I will give you credit there.


    Anyway jlew, I'll put this in a way you can understand it.

    It was okay when the shah was in power in Iran, that the United States of America was willing to pitch in and give a power plant and how to use it to them. But now that you don't have a puppet in Iran calling the shots, you and some others seem to have problem with it.



    So if your boy the shah had a power plant or two up and operating and then got turfed from the country, it would have been okay. I think you people down there really need to keep a tab on what really goes on in the entire world when your CIA backed governments in these countries get given all the goods to control the population so the corporations can make big bucks and keep smiles on people's faces in America such as your own. Then you balk when things go wrong. Aside from the west, the rest of the world seem to know how to take a corrupt government down. We should learn from them over here.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Look did they find these so called WMD's which was the whole reason for going to war, NO they did not.

    no they didnt find them. which means they still exist somewhere out there. cool huh? maybe a hole in the desert, maybe syria has them, maybe you and roland and byzine do and are planning to deliver a package to the big bad USA. possibilities are endless.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    where did I say it was valid for going to war? please show me. all I said is that Iraq did have WMDs. something you denied and told me to get over until 2 posts ago.

    You are talking pre war, i am talking WAR and reasons for starting it.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:

    It was okay when the shah was in power in Iran, that the United States of America was willing to pitch in and give a power plant and how to use it to them. But now that you don't have a puppet in Iran calling the shots, you and some others seem to have problem with it.
    if Iran was being honest and 100% trasparent about the program, we wouldnt be talking about this.
    even flow? wrote:
    So if your boy the shah had a power plant or two up and operating and then got turfed from the country, it would have been okay. I think you people down there really need to keep a tab on what really goes on in the entire world when your CIA backed governments in these countries get given all the goods to control the population so the corporations can make big bucks and keep smiles on people's faces in America such as your own. Then you balk when things go wrong. Aside from the west, the rest of the world seem to know how to take a corrupt government down. We should learn from them over here.

    anther endless pointless rant. thumbs up to you eh
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no they didnt find them. which means they still exist somewhere out there. cool huh? maybe a hole in the desert, maybe syria has them, maybe you and roland and byzine do and are planning to deliver a package to the big bad USA. possibilities are endless.

    OMG this is what i mean, your head is so far up your backside, even when the truth is told to you hold on to the lies.

    Hell you could have bush and his croonies come and tell you we lied straight to your face and you would still belive there are WMD's out there.

    Brickwall.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    spiral out wrote:
    Look did they find these so called WMD's which was the whole reason for going to war, NO they did not.


    i think they had them...

    also, the point is there were a BUNCH of other reasons for going to war besides wmd's
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat

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