Iran is lying about its nuke program

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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    When they signed the NPT I don't think they imagined the US would conquer their neighbor on such suspicious pretenses, and then proceed to paint their leader with colorful propaganda, so it kind of throws the bets off a little.

    That does not matter. A nuclear Iran is not beneficial to the region. I'm not even talking about Israel or the US, I'm leaving them out of the equation. If Iran developes a nuclear weapon it will cause an escalation in the region unseen since the hey days of the Cold War. It can destabilze and already fucked up region sending oil prices through the fucking roof. The nuclear prolifiration could easily spread to Southeast Asia with Pakistand and India increasing the size of their arsenal.
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  • mammasan wrote:
    That does not matter. A nuclear Iran is not beneficial to the region. I'm not even talking about Israel or the US, I'm leaving them out of the equation. If Iran developes a nuclear weapon it will cause an escalation in the region unseen since the hey days of the Cold War. It can destabilze and already fucked up region sending oil prices through the fucking roof. The nuclear prolifiration could easily spread to Southeast Asia with Pakistand and India increasing the size of their arsenal.

    A nuclear Iran is beneficial for Iran. Can you blame them for looking out for their own best interests?
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    A nuclear Iran is beneficial for Iran. Can you blame them for looking out for their own best interests?

    It's not even beneficial to them. What is beneficial to Iran is a stable Middle East where Iran is an active leading member of the region. Iran will never obtain any of those goals if they develope nuclear weapons.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    It's a bit too early to say he's going to start nuking people don't you think?

    yea but not too early to say they are lying about only wanting nukes for peaceful purposes. dont ya think?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    A nuclear Iran is beneficial for Iran. Can you blame them for looking out for their own best interests?

    are you serious? several countries are threatening military action against them if they develop one. how is that beneficial?
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    are you serious? several countries are threatening military action against them if they develop one. how is that beneficial?


    It's called nuclear energy for electricity. There's fair sized population going on there.
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  • jlew24asu wrote:
    yea but not too early to say they are lying about only wanting nukes for peaceful purposes. dont ya think?

    That's propaganda. Where's the evidence showing Iran wants to start blowing everything up? The media is trying to, but no cigar.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    It's called nuclear energy for electricity. There's fair sized population going on there.

    I think at this point it is starting toi become some what obvious that Iran may have other intentions.
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  • mammasan wrote:
    It's not even beneficial to them. What is beneficial to Iran is a stable Middle East where Iran is an active leading member of the region. Iran will never obtain any of those goals if they develope nuclear weapons.

    Nuclear power generation is not beneficial? We should shut all ours down then and go back to burning coal...
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    It's called nuclear energy for electricity. There's fair sized population going on there.

    o thats right. but it appears they want it for more then just that. how is that beneficial?
  • mammasan wrote:
    I think at this point it is starting toi become some what obvious that Iran may have other intentions.

    That's interesting How so? What specifically is making it obvious?
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  • jlew24asu wrote:
    o thats right. but it appears they want it for more then just that. how is that beneficial?


    It appears?. How does it appear? What evidence specifically shows that?
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    It appears?. How does it appear? What evidence specifically shows that?

    did you even read the article.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20...n_editors_ytop

    WASHINGTON — Iran has provided answers to questions about its past nuclear activities, the United Nations' atomic watchdog reported Thursday, but hasn't provided "full transparency" about its current activities and continues to enrich uranium in defiance of the U.N. Security Council .


    The report by the International Atomic Energy Agency warns that the agency's knowledge about Iran's current nuclear program "is diminishing" because Iran hasn't provided the same type of information since early last year that it had previously.

    "The agency is not in a position to provide credible assurances about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran ," says the confidential report, obtained by McClatchy Newspapers .
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    did you even read the article.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20...n_editors_ytop

    WASHINGTON — Iran has provided answers to questions about its past nuclear activities, the United Nations' atomic watchdog reported Thursday, but hasn't provided "full transparency" about its current activities and continues to enrich uranium in defiance of the U.N. Security Council .


    The report by the International Atomic Energy Agency warns that the agency's knowledge about Iran's current nuclear program "is diminishing" because Iran hasn't provided the same type of information since early last year that it had previously.

    "The agency is not in a position to provide credible assurances about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran ," says the confidential report, obtained by McClatchy Newspapers .

    I didn't see any sentence saying Iran is enriching plutonium to make a nuclear bomb. I did see something about there is a different type of information in this years reports compared to last years.

    I find it interesting how the propaganda takes hold and people automatically assume they are racing to make a bombs to launch as fast as they can.

    The media plants the seed, and for some people it grows.

    The race to judgment on Iran is on.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I didn't see any sentence saying Iran is enriching plutonium to make nuclear bomb. I did see something about there a different type of information (not less however) in this years reports compared to last years.

    I find it interesting how the propaganda takes hold and people automatically assume they are racing to make a bombs to launch as fast as they can.

    The media plants the seed, and for some people it grows.

    The race to judgment on Iran is on.

    well obviously the IAEA has a problem with Iran hiding its activities even if you dont. no they arent enriching plutonium. (why you mention that and not uranium is beyond me) they are enriching uranium. that can be used to make bombs too. did you know that?

    and how is this propaganda? what the fuck is wrong with you? these are facts coming straight from the IAEA
  • The is beginning to sound like the Iraq has WMD thing to me...

    a whole lot...
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    The is beginning to sound like the Iraq has WMD thing to me...

    a whole lot...

    sadly it does. only this time the leader is openly admitting to enriching uranium.
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    well obviously the IAEA has a problem with Iran hiding its activities even if you dont. no they arent enriching plutonium. (why you mention that and not uranium is beyond me) they are enriching uranium. that can be used to make bombs too. did you know that?

    and how is this propaganda? what the fuck is wrong with you? these are facts coming straight from the IAEA

    There was some article I remember reading saying they found traces of plutonium in Iran... perhaps I dreamt it. i can;t remember. It's not worth splitting hairs for brownie points imo.

    We'll see if this trend continues, however I find it interesting people are equating it immediately to nuclear weapons being launched at everything now. That's the propaganda/hype portion.
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • jlew24asu wrote:
    sadly it does. only this time the leader is openly admitting to enriching uranium.

    Actually I think Iran probably does want them, and will most likely try to make, and possess them. I truly believe they will not ever use them (or want to use them), but I think they feel it's the only thing that will afford them some protection in the future. They have the oil, and they know people are coming for it. I don't believe they are vicious though, they are just looking at their neighbor (Iraq) and scared shitless.

    It's going to get very interesting over the next 10 years, and probably not in an overly fantastic way.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I think it's perfectly logical, and reasonable for Iran to seek nuclear weapons. They are being threatened by a nuclear weapon-weilding state. Therefore, it's only logical that they seek to arm themselves for a possible defense. The U.S is the aggressor and agitator here, not Iran. The U.S needs to fuck off out of it.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I think it's perfectly logical, and reasonable for Iran to seek nuclear weapons. They are being threatened by a nuclear weapon-weilding state. Therefore, it's only logical that they seek to arm themselves for a possible defense. The U.S is the aggressor and agitator here, not Iran. The U.S needs to fuck off out of it.

    its not just the US who doesnt want Iran to have nukes chief. if Iran was truthful about its program then the US and the world would have no problem with them. but instead your buddy decides to lie, and if it continues, he will be dealt with severely.
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    its not just the US who doesnt want Iran to have nukes chief. if Iran was truthful about its program then the US and the world would have no problem with them. but instead your buddy decides to lie, and if it continues, he will be dealt with severely.

    The US didn't even want Iran to have a nuclear reactor (uranium enrichment plant) go online in the first place. The threats started at that level. It's a little more encompassing than the reporting, or lack thereof, of how they are operating.

    If he is dealt with severely (Iran bombed) the US economic system will face substantial peril, as larger countries will begin to intervene economically, and quite possibly militarily.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    jlew24asu wrote:
    seriously, does everyone think its ok for Iran to have nukes?


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20071115/wl_mcclatchy/20071115bcusirannuclear_attn_national_foreign_editors_ytop

    or this http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20071115/wl_mcclatchy/20071115bcusirannuclear_attn_national_foreign_editors_ytop

    WASHINGTON — Iran has provided answers to questions about its past nuclear activities, the United Nations' atomic watchdog reported Thursday, but hasn't provided "full transparency" about its current activities and continues to enrich uranium in defiance of the U.N. Security Council .


    The report by the International Atomic Energy Agency warns that the agency's knowledge about Iran's current nuclear program "is diminishing" because Iran hasn't provided the same type of information since early last year that it had previously.

    "The agency is not in a position to provide credible assurances about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran ," says the confidential report, obtained by McClatchy Newspapers .
    ...
    If you were Iranian... would you feel the same way about it?
    ...
    I remember someone posting an aerial photo of the Korean Penisula at night and said the northern part was all dark and the south all lit up meant that the south was a better, safer place.
    But, you couls also take it to mean: North Korea needs a nuclear power plant so they could have electricity to have lights.
    ...
    right?
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    i've said it before, i'll say it again

    i hope we bomb the hell out of iran
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    810wmb wrote:
    i've said it before, i'll say it again

    i hope we bomb the hell out of iran

    Good one Hitler.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    810wmb wrote:
    i've said it before, i'll say it again

    i hope we bomb the hell out of iran
    ...
    You need to change the pronoun you use.. I have a feeling you will not be taking any part in that, "WE" stuff.
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    You need to change the pronoun you use.. I have a feeling you will not be taking any part in that, "WE" stuff.

    yr right, too old...be there in spirit though
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    810wmb wrote:
    yr right, too old...be there in spirit though
    ...
    Make it easy to send the 19 year olds to face the bullets and lifetime in wheelchairs, huh?
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  • These smart Americans voice their opinions on Iran

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkwoU721TUA
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
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  • 810wmb wrote:
    i've said it before, i'll say it again

    i hope we bomb the hell out of iran


    If you're not joking. You're insane...for real.

    Seriously.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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