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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    fragileblake wrote:
    lame, looks like fox had all the youtube links taken down in an effort to not further thier embarassment


    how is fox embarassed? I would guess Clinton wants them taken down. I would say its embarassing to have a white haired man with a purple face. looks kinda silly. fox, like all other media outlets, is a for profit business. they would love the publicity


    http://break.com/index/purple_faced_rage.html
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    fragileblake wrote:
    lame, looks like fox had all the youtube links taken down in an effort to not further thier embarassment
    Nope, they're there:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnyrCVwGyK4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxWUA764H7E&NR
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2-nILTO3dc&NR
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • fragileblake
    fragileblake Posts: 716
    hippiemom wrote:
    Nope, they're there:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnyrCVwGyK4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxWUA764H7E&NR
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2-nILTO3dc&NR

    oh sweet! I did a search and all the top links were removed
    http://blakepnw.blogspot.com/
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    hippiemom wrote:
    The premenstrual period is when a woman's hormone levels are closest to typical male levels. In other words, it's the time when she's most like a man is all month long.

    I guess that explains Clinton's embarrasing episode on Fox.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jsand wrote:
    I guess that explains Clinton's embarrasing episode on Fox.
    You are the ONLY person I've come across who thinks this was embarrassing for Clinton, and that includes quite a few republicans. Are you sure you saw the same show as everyone else?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    hippiemom wrote:
    You are the ONLY person I've come across who thinks this was embarrassing for Clinton, and that includes quite a few republicans. Are you sure you saw the same show as everyone else?

    Insert head firmly in sand. Ahhhh...that's better.
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    hippiemom wrote:
    You are the ONLY person I've come across who thinks this was embarrassing for Clinton, and that includes quite a few republicans. Are you sure you saw the same show as everyone else?

    Apparently it's undignified to have the mental ability to actually defend yourself with "facts" and "coherent arguements" as opposed to deflecting questions with "meaningless simplistic homilies" and "cliched catchphrases".

    This whole episode reminds me of an interview with President Clinton that ran in Rolling Stone in late 1993. William Greider asked Clinton about progressives/liberals who criticized him for moving towards the middle and abandoning the principles he campaigned on. Clinton had what sounds like a similar powerful outburst, which Greider described as "impressive" and "powerful".
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    You are the ONLY person I've come across who thinks this was embarrassing for Clinton, and that includes quite a few republicans. Are you sure you saw the same show as everyone else?


    he did look quite foolish.

    http://break.com/index/purple_faced_rage.html
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    Apparently it's undignified to have the mental ability to actually defend yourself with "facts" and "coherent arguements" as opposed to deflecting questions with "meaningless simplistic homilies" and "cliched catchphrases".

    This whole episode reminds me of an interview with President Clinton that ran in Rolling Stone in late 1993. William Greider asked Clinton about progressives/liberals who criticized him for moving towards the middle and abandoning the principles he campaigned on. Clinton had what sounds like a similar powerful outburst, which Greider described as "impressive" and "powerful".

    How this tiradecould be described as "impressive" and "powerful" is beyond me.
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    jsand wrote:
    How this tiradecould be described as "impressive" and "powerful" is beyond me.

    I suppose it is a subjective judgement. Would you describe ANY of GW's public remarks or interviews as "impressive" or "powerful"?
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    I suppose it is a subjective judgement. Would you describe ANY of GW's public remarks or interviews as "impressive" or "powerful"?

    There certainly have been remarks made by GW that are impressive and powerful. Does Clinton have more charisma, and is he more eloquent? Absolutely. But to describe what he did in that interview as impressive or powerful is ridiculous.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jsand wrote:
    Insert head firmly in sand. Ahhhh...that's better.
    My head isn't in the sand. You should see where I work, I'm surrounded by republicans. I've heard people say "Yeah, he looked good, but come on, it's Chris Matthews! Anyone would look good!" I've heard various backhanded compliments about how despite the fact that he's the worst president in the history of all humankind, he always was a good communicator.

    Seriously ... this place is lousy with conservatives (and very highly educated ones at that), and everyone thinks that Clinton clearly won this round.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    hippiemom wrote:
    My head isn't in the sand. You should see where I work, I'm surrounded by republicans. I've heard people say "Yeah, he looked good, but come on, it's Chris Matthews! Anyone would look good!" I've heard various backhanded compliments about how despite the fact that he's the worst president in the history of all humankind, he always was a good communicator.

    Seriously ... this place is lousy with conservatives (and very highly educated ones at that), and everyone thinks that Clinton clearly won this round.

    Clinton is an incredible communicator. I would never argue that. In this instance, however, he came across as desperate and pathetic.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    My head isn't in the sand. You should see where I work, I'm surrounded by republicans. I've heard people say "Yeah, he looked good, but come on, it's Chris Matthews! Anyone would look good!" I've heard various backhanded compliments about how despite the fact that he's the worst president in the history of all humankind, he always was a good communicator.

    Seriously ... this place is lousy with conservatives (and very highly educated ones at that), and everyone thinks that Clinton clearly won this round.


    sinc when is it about winning and losing. Clinton was asked some tough questions and lost his cool. not sure who won or lost.
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    jsand wrote:
    There certainly have been remarks made by GW that are impressive and powerful. Does Clinton have more charisma, and is he more eloquent? Absolutely. But to describe what he did in that interview as impressive or powerful is ridiculous.

    Again, it's definitely subjective. I don't remember anything I've seen Bush say or do that I found to be inspiring or impressive. Obviously, my opinion of his speaking presence is colored by my low opinion of him as a president. In most of his public remarks, prepared or otherwise, he always seems to be struggling to remember what he's supposed to say, or struggling to come up with a lucid answer on the fly.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    Again, it's definitely subjective. I don't remember anything I've seen Bush say or do that I found to be inspiring or impressive. Obviously, my opinion of his speaking presence is colored by my low opinion of him as a president. In most of his public remarks, prepared or otherwise, he always seems to be struggling to remember what he's supposed to say, or struggling to come up with a lucid answer on the fly.

    While I agree it is subjective, and will readily admit, if you couldn't tell, that I am heavily biased, I still cannot fathom that someone would watch that interview and think that Clinton sounded good. He sounded like a moron to me - "I traaad, I traaad but I failed." Great.
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    jlew24asu wrote:
    sinc when is it about winning and losing. Clinton was asked some tough questions and lost his cool. not sure who won or lost.

    It was definitely about winning as far as Wallace was concerned. Are you saying he wasn't trying to score points off of Clinton?
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    jsand wrote:
    He sounded like a moron to me - "I traaad, I traaad but I failed." Great.
    You do realize that he has a Southern accent, right? And what part of that specific line isn't true?
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    It was definitely about winning as far as Wallace was concerned. Are you saying he wasn't trying to score points off of Clinton?

    What respected interviewer doesn't try to score points in an interview?
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    RainDog wrote:
    You do realize that he has a Southern accent, right? And what part of that specific line isn't true?

    Stop trying to insult my intelligence. Of course I'm aware that he has a southern accent. I've never heard it as pronounced as it was in that interview.

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