Clinton on Fox

ledvedderman

jlew24asu wrote:

thats becuase its not his job to debate the answers, he just asks the questions. O'Reilly debates

The point of his job isn't just to ask the questions, but to give time for a response. He asked a very in depth question, and expected a one line answer. That's just dumb

Milhouse VanHouten

jsand wrote:

Absouletly correct- I was not trying to classify Russert as a lefty - his job is to be in the center, which he has done very well. My point was simply that his interview of Cheney communicated a lot of the left's arguments against the administration.

I'd agree with that, but the arguement against the war isn't coming just from the left anymore, according to recent polls.

aNiMaL

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/26/rice-clinton-plan/

Rice Falsely Claims Clinton Administration Did Not Leave A ‘Strategy To Fight Al Qaeda’

In her interview with the New York Post, Condoleezza Rice claims that the Clinton Administration did not develop a strategy to fight al Qaeda:

The secretary of state also sharply disputed Clinton’s claim that he “left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy” for the incoming Bush team during the presidential transition in 2001.

“We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al Qaeda,” Rice responded during the hourlong session.

Here’s what the 9/11 Commission Report has to say about it:

As the Clinton administration drew to a close, Clarke and his staff developed a policy paper of their own [which] incorporated the CIA’s new ideas from the Blue Sky memo, and posed several near-term policy options. Clarke and his staff proposed a goal to “roll back” al Qaeda over a period of three to five years …[including] covert aid to the Northern Alliance, covert aid to Uzbekistan, and renewed Predator flights in March 2001. A sentence called for military action to destroy al Qaeda command-and control targets and infrastructure and Taliban military and command assets. The paper also expressed concern about the presence of al Qaeda operatives in the United States.” [p. 197]

Clarke, who also worked for the Bush administration, wrote Condoleezza Rice a memo as soon as the Bush administration took office, stating, “[W]e urgently need…a Principals level review of the al Qida network.” His request was denied.

surferdude

Why do so many people equate being a good debater and speaker with being a good president?

In some ways Clinton was too smart for his own good as president. He seemed to think he had all the answers and didn't listen to expert advise. That seems pretty unpresidential to me.

aNiMaL

surferdude wrote:

Why do so many people equate being a good debater and speaker with being a good president?

In some ways Clinton was too smart for his own good as president. He seemed to think he had all the answers and didn't listen to expert advise. That seems pretty unpresidential to me.

Oh yeah, like GW has listened to experts....hahahahahaha

President Clinton did way more for the better of this country and the world than GW can even imagine doing.

hippiemom

surferdude wrote:

Why do so many people equate being a good debater and speaker with being a good president?

In some ways Clinton was too smart for his own good as president. He seemed to think he had all the answers and didn't listen to expert advise. That seems pretty unpresidential to me.

I never said he was a great president, I didn't even vote for him (although compared to what we've got now, he's a regular Thomas Jefferson). I just thought he made Chris Matthews look like an even bigger twit than usual and I enjoyed watching it.

aNiMaL

jsand wrote:

I guess that explains Clinton's embarrasing episode on Fox.

Embarrasing; how...and for whom?

I couldn't have been more proud of him and of what he said.

surferdude

aNiMaL wrote:

Oh yeah, like GW has listened to experts....hahahahahaha

President Clinton did way more for the better of this country and the world than GW can even imagine doing.

Well, I never compared Clinton to Bush in any way. Thanks for the insightful comparison.

One often overlooked Clinton trait is his Foreign Affairs policies were pretty much straight out of the neo-con playbook. Including illegal bombings of Kosovo.

jeffbr

It was sleazy of Fox to bring Clinton on to talk about his current work raising money and instead hit him with the Osama stuff.

On the other hand, the only other time Clinton go so defensive with a reporter was during the Lewinsky thing. Clinton didn't looked dignified and presidential. He looked pissed, overly-sensitive, and quite defensive about having dropped the ball.

Both sides of that interview came out looking bad from where I'm sitting.

aNiMaL

jsand wrote:

How this tiradecould be described as "impressive" and "powerful" is beyond me.

Let’s see; it was well thought out, well spoken, and factual.....albeit a tad angry ...but rightfully so. I would say that, without a doubt that qualifies as "impressive and powerful."

jeffbr

fragileblake wrote:

lame, looks like fox had all the youtube links taken down in an effort to not further thier embarassment

Wrong, as has been mentioned.

But also wrong on the embarassment claim. Fox has it as their top video on foxnews.com right on their front page.

aNiMaL

jsand wrote:

Clinton is an incredible communicator. I would never argue that. In this instance, however, he came across as desperate and pathetic.

Hardly...that better describes how GW has come across his entire presidency.

onelongsong

nice song and dance in the usual clinton fasion. interesting how he repeated that he tried to have another person assassinated. don't bother declaring war against an attack; assassinate everyone you THINK needs to be dead.
and he had plans drawn up to go to war. i thought the war was bush's fault. at least clinton stuck to his DO NOTHING policy.

hippiemom

onelongsong wrote:

nice song and dance in the usual clinton fasion. interesting how he repeated that he tried to have another person assassinated. don't bother declaring war against an attack; assassinate everyone you THINK needs to be dead.
and he had plans drawn up to go to war. i thought the war was bush's fault. at least clinton stuck to his DO NOTHING policy.

The war in IRAQ is Bush's fault. Clinton was talking about Osama in AFGHANISTAN. Let's keep our countries straight here.

jlew24asu

aNiMaL wrote:

Let’s see; it was well thought out, well spoken, and factual.....albeit a tad angry ...but rightfully so. I would say that, without a doubt that qualifies as "impressive and powerful."

well spoken? he could have done much better then that

aNiMaL

jsand wrote:

He sounded like a moron to me - "I traaad, I traaad but I failed." Great.

No seriously.....if you are trying that weak ass card here.....GW doesn't even have the reading or public speaking skills of a 2nd grader.

onelongsong

hippiemom wrote:

The war in IRAQ is Bush's fault. Clinton was talking about Osama in AFGHANISTAN. Let's keep our countries straight here.

we are at war in afganistan. and fighting al quida in iraq. an enemy is an enemy no matter where they sleep.

onelongsong

jlew24asu wrote:

well spoken? he could have done much better then that

a monkey could have done better. he was falling all over himself and trying to censor the questions.
boo hoo you didn't ask the other side those questions.

jsand

aNiMaL wrote:

No seriously.....if you are trying that weak ass card here.....GW doesn't even have the reading or public speaking skills of a 2nd grader.

You and Clinton have something in common - displaced anger. Congrats.

hippiemom

onelongsong wrote:

we are at war in afganistan. and fighting al quida in iraq. an enemy is an enemy no matter where they sleep.

People aren't criticizing Bush because he went into Afghanistan ... on the contrary, many think that the biggest problem with the war in Iraq was that it distracted us from our mission in Afghanistan. Clinton had plans to invade Afghanistan, not Iraq. So, you see, there is no contradiction.