D.C. Gun Ban Ruled Unconstitutional!

PJPOWER wrote:

You somehow fail to mention how the crime rates of other violent crimes in Great Britain have been rising since the gun ban, while the crime rate in the US has been falling within the same time period.

violent crimes i can live with (obviously to a point) but unnecessary deaths i cant... if people are going to be violent then i'd rather it was with a piece of metal rather than a gun! at least then i would have a chance!!!


Q: what are all your thoughts on the FACT that the overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 industrialised countries COMBINED?

i've asked this previously in this thread but as yet no answer

onelongsong wrote:

maybe you have a comprehension problem. the first 10 ammendments CANNOT be changed.

They most certainly can be changed. Anything in the constitution can be amended or repealed.

Derrick wrote:

Laws aren't permanent. Death is. When are you going to wake up?

Rights are temporary too. Let's start with the First Amendment and just move on down. Or should we start with the Tenth and move up? We've already eroded that one enough.

The First Amendment is cause of many disagreements which turn into fights which turn into shootings making it more responsible for death than the Second Amendment.

zstillings wrote:

Rights are temporary too. Let's start with the First Amendment and just move on down. Or should we start with the Tenth and move up? We've already eroded that one enough.

So what you're saying is that you're incapable of progression as a society? Don't assume these laws are perfect.

The First Amendment is cause of many disagreements which turn into fights which turn into shootings making it more responsible for death than the Second Amendment.

Freedom of Speech/Expression in the USA doesn't really exist anyways. If it were as many wish it were, you'd be allowed to burn the Star Spangled Banner to make a point. If you're asking me if this one needs help, I would say yes, perhaps there is room for review and improvement...that said, it is in a much better state than number 2.

onelongsong wrote:

if i defend myself and kill a person that would continue to kill; i've saved several lives by taking one. you can live with violent crime; i can't.

Please send me lottery ticket information since you are so adept at predicting the future. You carry a gun because you are afraid of other americans who may carry a gun. And yet you will defend to death as well their right to carry the tools that give you that fear. That thar be a vicious circle if you ask me.

Gun control is not the only problem here. American society (capitalism) grants the ability for those who are able and eager to profit well beyond a normal beings needs. Typically one man's profit is 10 men's loss. In addition to gun control, the country NEEDS social safety nets to protect the poor from resorting to violence (gun/knife/whatever) to get by. Those social safety nets are very close to non-existent.

It won't happen overnight, but why procrastinate?

Derrick wrote:

Gun control is not the only problem here. American society (capitalism) grants the ability for those who are able and eager to profit well beyond a normal beings needs. Typically one man's profit is 10 men's loss. In addition to gun control, the country NEEDS social safety nets to protect the poor from resorting to violence (gun/knife/whatever) to get by. Those social safety nets are very close to non-existent.

It won't happen overnight, but why procrastinate?

Sounds like you're a command & control kind of guy. Who determines need?

PJPOWER wrote:

I would say that the parents need to take better care of their shit..........We teach kids that it's not safe to drink household cleaners.....maybe people taking the initiative to teach them gun safety and prevent them accessing them would be a good deterent.

see jeffbr's post about gun stats in America that he surprisingly posted, in it you will read that around 50% of gunkeepers dont keep them locked... not even locked!!!!

PJPOWER wrote:

Other than that I would say that the population of the US is greater than a lot of those countries and so are the methods of taking and keeping records of such incidences.

of course its greater but if you take the fucking time to read what i post or the links i post you'll see its PER CAPITA... as is the norm with stats... jesus fucking christ sake cunt fuck fuck... not aimed at you but you have no idea how many times i've had to explain its PER CAPITA!!!! and are you seriously claiming you keep better records than the UK (who invented bureaucracy) or the Germans who actually kept records of all their Jewish killings, the hair the scraped from the Jewish heads, etc etc...

just another example of the overblown inflated egotism that americans have of their own country... practically everything you think, use or do these days was invented, thought of or designed by someone from the Old World... you are a nation of buyers

dunkman wrote:

see jeffbr's post about gun stats in America that he surprisingly posted, in it you will read that around 50% of gunkeepers dont keep them locked... not even locked!!!!



of course its greater but if you take the fucking time to read what i post or the links i post you'll see its PER CAPITA... as is the norm with stats... jesus fucking christ sake cunt fuck fuck... not aimed at you but you have no idea how many times i've had to explain its PER CAPITA!!!! and are you seriously claiming you keep better records than the UK (who invented bureaucracy) or the Germans who actually kept records of all their Jewish killings, the hair the scraped from the Jewish heads, etc etc...

just another example of the overblown inflated egotism that americans have of their own country... practically everything you think, use or do these days was invented, thought of or designed by someone from the Old World... you are a nation of buyers

You are seriously calling someone else out on an inflated ego? Is your own perfection the only reason you can hypocritically do this?

dunkman wrote:

pretty much... my ego is my problem it doesnt insult yours or any other country out there... saying that americans keep better records of gun incidents than the next 25 most industrialised countries in the world with no foundation or fact to it is egotistical beyond belief....

As is the attitude that you put forward here telling Americans that they we are barbaric because our Constitution does not agree with your own beliefs. It reminds me of those old smoking ban threads.

onelongsong wrote:

which of the first 10 ammendments gave us the RIGHT to own slaves? and when was that ammendment changed? the first 10 ammendments are inalienable rights and can not be changed; except through revolution.

The question of whether or not slavery was permitted was left to the states, although the founders were kind enough to the slaveholding states to write into Article IV of the Constitution itself that federal judges must enforce those laws by returning fugitive slaves to the states in which they were held.

And you can amend the Bill of Rights the same way you amend any other part of the Constitution. The rules can be found in Article V.